Guest Asterix9 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Just like Dageneis a couple years ago Comparing Dagenais and Souray is a bit of a stretch, more than a bit. What did Dagenais ever do? Two time all-star? Leader? I recall his shootout abilities and creating havoc in the dressing room with his buddy Ribeiro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Comparing Dagenais and Souray is a bit of a stretch, more than a bit. What did Dagenais ever do? Two time all-star? Leader? I recall his shootout abilities and creating havoc in the dressing room with his buddy Ribeiro. Lol, I agree. I don't recall too much about Dags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Comparing Dagenais and Souray is a bit of a stretch, more than a bit. What did Dagenais ever do? Two time all-star? Leader? I recall his shootout abilities and creating havoc in the dressing room with his buddy Ribeiro. You missed my point, I'm not saying they are the same, just that because a player scores you important goals doesn't mean we all have to be big fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Glad to see he is gone.. Enough Said, hes a old man with alot of injuries with a great year, which will fade away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Enough Said, hes a old man with alot of injuries with a great year, which will fade away Hamrlik is two years older Last year Souray missed 1 game, Hamerlik 7, Souray had 64 pts ( ok he was a - 28 but the whole team was terrible ) and Hamrlik had 38 pts ( + 22 playing with Phaneuf ) The year before Souray missed 7 and Hamrlik missed 31 , Souray 39 pts and - 11 ; Hamrlik 26 pts and + 8 I dunno, even if Souray goes back to 35 and 39 pts it's still as good as what Hamrlik will give you I guess time will tell , I'd still take Souray obver Hamrlik just for the intangibles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Talon Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I'm glad he went to Edmonton so I can see him play on the late night Saturday CBC games...curious to see if he can put up similar numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1970 Habs Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I don't understand why people find the need to harass the memory of Souray wearing a Canadiens jersey. When he was getting close to hitting the market and when he became available in the UFA pool there were tons of people here posting how we NEED to develop a contract with Souray and how much we needed him as part of the team. It's some (not all), but some of the same people who now are talking about how much he isn't needed here, how horrible is +/- was here and how we'll be much better off without him. I've said it before, but it almost seems like a petty jealousy thing. Most are so mad that he didn't re-sign here that they'd rather find false reasons to despise him and make fun of him, rather than admitting that he's going to be missed in Montreal. We all had the slight hunch that he wasn't going to resign in Montreal, so it shouldn't have come to too much of a shock when he denied the offer made to him. IMO he is more valuable than what we offered him. Who honestly knows why he didn't sign here? Was it the money? Did he want to move on? Did he want to be closer to home? Etc. etc. But even if it was the movie, who wouldn't leave their job to make a little extra cash? If he wanted to move on, who wouldn't want to leave the lies spread by the Montreal media behind him. I bet not too many Oilers fans know/care about his estranged, or not estranged wife, his kid and the divorce proceedures. If he wanted to play closer to home, who can blame him? Who doesn't want to be closer to their friends and family? Whatever reason HE had to leave, I'd really doubt that any of the Souray bashers here wouldn't leave for the same reasons too. This guy took a season that fell into shambles and made it something more. He had a career year, broke records and gave us some excitment from a team that lacked any sort of excitment. So why bash the guy? It's not like he's out there killing kittens, he's out there making a living. He's a decent human, he's respectable and why are we all getting so personal with him? I commend you for the effort as I too have tried in several posts to make the same points. What you say is just the sad truth. For whatever reason some people seem to take it personal and slam players for their lack of loyalty when they leave the team. It is something that I and you will never understand because we feel and think differently. However keep in mind that everyone is entitled to their opinion. You just have to try and read through it all and maintain your hockey objectivity. C'est la vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I commend you for the effort as I too have tried in several posts to make the same points. What you say is just the sad truth. For whatever reason some people seem to take it personal and slam players for their lack of loyalty when they leave the team. It is something that I and you will never understand because we feel and think differently. However keep in mind that everyone is entitled to their opinion. You just have to try and read through it all and maintain your hockey objectivity. C'est la vie. Thanks. Most of the posts just make me laugh because I can remember those people during game threads, or back in the Souray thread talk about how awesome he was and how badly we need to secure him into a contract. I don't see why people take it personally and slam players for their lack of loyalty to the team when they leave, when they're doing exactly the same thing. To support Souray in December or through his whole career as a Hab and bad mouth him when he leaves isn't exactly an act of honourable loyality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Thanks. Most of the posts just make me laugh because I can remember those people during game threads, or back in the Souray thread talk about how awesome he was and how badly we need to secure him into a contract. I don't see why people take it personally and slam players for their lack of loyalty to the team when they leave, when they're doing exactly the same thing. To support Souray in December or through his whole career as a Hab and bad mouth him when he leaves isn't exactly an act of honourable loyality. Ya but the thing is that Souray seems to be badmouthing our organization for showing a lack of "loyalty" towards him. As I've said multiple times, I have no problem with him leaving, but he could at least admit it was mainly due to money or whatever the real reason was. And just for the record, while your probably right about some members, I know there was a good group of us who were not always saying how awesome he was and not wanting to re-sign him for the money he ended up getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habsfan7344 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 http://www2.sportsnet.ca/blogs/hockey_hear...thing_personal/ ganna miss that Kid but the habs can live without him!! Good luck Shelly on your new team and thanks for still keeping #44!! we will always remember you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ALBERTAhabsfan Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Ya but the thing is that Souray seems to be badmouthing our organization for showing a lack of "loyalty" towards him. As I've said multiple times, I have no problem with him leaving, but he could at least admit it was mainly due to money or whatever the real reason was. And just for the record, while your probably right about some members, I know there was a good group of us who were not always saying how awesome he was and not wanting to re-sign him for the money he ended up getting. "Seems to be",lol! Lets get something straight here,he has never bad mouthed the habs organization period,its interpreted according to you and all the others who seem to have a hating for him. The breakdown between him and bob happened along time ago,its their business and nobody else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 "Seems to be",lol! Lets get something straight here,he has never bad mouthed the habs organization period,its interpreted according to you and all the others who seem to have a hating for him. Well badmouthing the way we (as in management) treated him. The breakdown between him and bob happened along time ago,its their business and nobody else's. Then why is he publicly complaining about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Ya but the thing is that Souray seems to be badmouthing our organization for showing a lack of "loyalty" towards him. As I've said multiple times, I have no problem with him leaving, but he could at least admit it was mainly due to money or whatever the real reason was. And just for the record, while your probably right about some members, I know there was a good group of us who were not always saying how awesome he was and not wanting to re-sign him for the money he ended up getting. There's been quite a few players who have left the Habs and "bad mouthed" the organization after they left. I don't think what Souray said was considered "bad mouthing," but it seems to have gotten quite the rise out of the people in Montreal. Heck, we've had players on our team still that were in the press bad mouthing the team and it's not just the Habs this happens too, it's NHL teams North American wide, so it's obviously an NHL thing and not just a Shelly vs. The people of Montreal thing. I know there was a group of people who were not always praising Souray and wanting to re-sign him, but that group is rather small compared to the people who wanted him signed and have no turned on him. I remember you talking about not wanting to re-sign him for the price he was asking, so it's definately not you who has did a complete 360. But there is a good group, and that's what I find humourous. It'd be Koivu leaving tomorrow and me deciding I hate him for no apparent reason. It'd be highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Ya but the thing is that Souray seems to be badmouthing our organization for showing a lack of "loyalty" towards him. As I've said multiple times, I have no problem with him leaving, but he could at least admit it was mainly due to money or whatever the real reason was. And just for the record, while your probably right about some members, I know there was a good group of us who were not always saying how awesome he was and not wanting to re-sign him for the money he ended up getting. I've re-read the article and I see no bad mouthing, no worse than what we read on this forum about our coaches and GM, if anything, much smoother. I happen to think that most of the frustration comes from the fact that we didn't re-sign him, which is understandable, but I don't like the bashing just 'cause... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigsby Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 There's been quite a few players who have left the Habs and "bad mouthed" the organization after they left. I don't think what Souray said was considered "bad mouthing," but it seems to have gotten quite the rise out of the people in Montreal. Heck, we've had players on our team still that were in the press bad mouthing the team and it's not just the Habs this happens too, it's NHL teams North American wide, so it's obviously an NHL thing and not just a Shelly vs. The people of Montreal thing. I know there was a group of people who were not always praising Souray and wanting to re-sign him, but that group is rather small compared to the people who wanted him signed and have no turned on him. I remember you talking about not wanting to re-sign him for the price he was asking, so it's definately not you who has did a complete 360. But there is a good group, and that's what I find humourous. It'd be Koivu leaving tomorrow and me deciding I hate him for no apparent reason. It'd be highly unlikely. i agree with you. i'm not a fan of the whining after players leave but i've heard players say worse things leaving montreal than souray has. he could have cried at the airport (cough*smyth*cough) or during the press conference (cough*weight*cough) but thankfully he didn't. it's the market, let's admit it, not the canadiens that 'forced' him to leave but that said, i don't blame him for feeling a little let down by the organization after what i imagine he thought his offer was going to be, or what his agent told him would be a fair offer. he just wasn't worth it. markov was the priority and gainey never hid that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habsfan7344 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 lets just say we ganna miss the guy but we can still live without him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 There's been quite a few players who have left the Habs and "bad mouthed" the organization after they left. I don't think what Souray said was considered "bad mouthing," but it seems to have gotten quite the rise out of the people in Montreal. Heck, we've had players on our team still that were in the press bad mouthing the team and it's not just the Habs this happens too, it's NHL teams North American wide, so it's obviously an NHL thing and not just a Shelly vs. The people of Montreal thing. Sorry, I shouldn't have used "bad mouthing" as that implies that he didn't like Montreal, which isn't the case. What I mean is that after leaving for the most money, he seemed to complain about not being treated right and makes it sound like all Montreal's fault that he is gone. I know there was a group of people who were not always praising Souray and wanting to re-sign him, but that group is rather small compared to the people who wanted him signed and have no turned on him. I remember you talking about not wanting to re-sign him for the price he was asking, so it's definately not you who has did a complete 360. But there is a good group, and that's what I find humourous. Fair enough, I think that always happens with signing or not signing players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I've re-read the article and I see no bad mouthing, no worse than what we read on this forum about our coaches and GM, if anything, much smoother. I happen to think that most of the frustration comes from the fact that we didn't re-sign him, which is understandable, but I don't like the bashing just 'cause... Well everything is blending together now. I can't pinpoint what was from what article, and some of the stuff may have just been speculation (was that "7th most important player" thing from his mouth or just made up?) The impression I get though is that he feels the need to still be considered the good guy in Montreal by making it sound like all he ever wanted to do was play here and we didn't give him the chance or something. I just wish he could say "Edmonton gave me a great offer, better than other teams including Montreal, and they are a great team, so I choose to come here". I wouldn't think any less of him had he just been completely honest. I was actually so impressed with him in the past when he said stuf flike "Markov and Rivet are more important than me" and "I'm not worth over 5 million". When he signed for a better offer, I thought, well maybe he was putting on a bit of a show with those statements, but oh well I can't blame him. But after he did this, he didn't need to continue trying to sound like the perfect team player for Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 There was an excellent interview with Souray on Sportsnet West and he was talking about the Habs and how he was let down that they didn't offer him a reasonalbe pay, but he said he loved the city, fans and developed many life lasting friendships during his time in Montreal. Nothing about what he said was negative at all. He also talked about his new team and his role in Edmonton and how he's excited to be playing in his home province. He's eager to get out there and help the Oilers to some wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maniaque Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Sheldon Souray is a class act. Remember when he said the priority for Montreal was to sign our best D, Markov. And the article you guys are talking about...I can imagine myself in his place, being offered a minimal amount that meant "ya, we kinda like you too, Sheldon". That was not very respectful from M. Gainey. From there it was pretty obvious Souray would pick one of the numerous other teams that had genuine interest for him. I'm glad for him, Edmonton must be a great place to play hockey at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I understand how important Markov is to the team, and I love the guy. He's one of my favourites on the team, but I think that Souray was worth more than Markov. I think the Canadiens should have had two priorities, Markov and Souray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Talon Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I understand how important Markov is to the team, and I love the guy. He's one of my favourites on the team, but I think that Souray was worth more than Markov. Every GM in the NHL would disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 I understand how important Markov is to the team, and I love the guy. He's one of my favourites on the team, but I think that Souray was worth more than Markov. I think the Canadiens should have had two priorities, Markov and Souray. Souray is not worth more than Markov, and why do you actualy think Souray is worth more? because he had a career year? his shot? Defensivly, and thats his posistion, he is worse than Markov, and imo, Markov is also more complete as a player. Sure maybe he doesnt score as many goals as Souray did last season, but I have to see if Souray can do it again this year. Teams know by now that Souray is dangerous when he gets the opportunity to shoot, and therefore I think he will be covered better as last season. But its like I said, he is a Dman, and when it comes to that, he often scared the H... out of me. The habs indeed had priorities, signing Markov first, and after that maybe Souray, and they tried, but Souray himself, eventhough he said differently in the months before, decided he didnt want to stay. Whatever the reason. I dont say that I dont like Souray, his goals were very welcome last season, and he sure has upsides, like being a force on the PP, being a offensive minded D, but he is not one of the best arround, and in comparisation to Markov, he is the lesser player imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keith Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Every GM in the NHL would disagree with you. Cool, so you have connections with the other 29 GMs... I can see why Souray could be higher valued however, if you already had a defenceman like Rafalski persay, and you wanted a scoring gritty tough defenceman, Souray's it. Montreal had horrible 5 on 5 play though, and they couldn't lose Markov, on the downside, if we could become any softer of a team, we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Talon Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Cool, so you have connections with the other 29 GMs... I can see why Souray could be higher valued however, if you already had a defenceman like Rafalski persay, and you wanted a scoring gritty tough defenceman, Souray's it. Montreal had horrible 5 on 5 play though, and they couldn't lose Markov, on the downside, if we could become any softer of a team, we did. The puck moving two-way defenders on the UFA market brought home a lot more than the one dimensional offensive defenders. And I really don't find Souray to be all that gritty, he can fight, but he is not an overly physical defender. I like Souray I wish he had stayed, but not for 5.5, 5.4, or anything over 4...especially at 4-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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