Guest habfan in leafland Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Thank you Bob Gainey. To all of those who said not re-signing Souray was a huge mistake please our PP as of today is ranked #1. And that "team toughness" that we lost well it's working out well for EDM right now isn't! I wish some of the anti Gainey people would suck it up and appologize! I know it's early in the season but still. Over 5 million for Souray WAS overpaying. I was (and still am) disappointed we didn't move Souray at the trade deadline. I realize we were still battling for a playoff spot, but we could've got a decent return on him. I think the Hamr is turning out to be a pretty decent pickup though!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Same here, Imagine the draft picks we could have gotten for him.. SUCKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesus Price Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Same here, Imagine the draft picks we could have gotten for him.. SUCKS Ah well, we could have gotten something, but on the bright side.. his injuries, his defensive "skill", and his contract are no longer a concern to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 No, no, you got me wrong, Graeme. What I meant was that the lowered points would be accompanied by a better plus-minus rating, and extensively, better defensive-zone coverage. The good-bad extremes would balance out and he'd be a better all-around player, even though he most likely won't put up 65 points. I agree that he would still be overpaid, though. Oh okay, got you. But what makes you think his defense is going to improve, has he looked better this year? I figured being in the West would just make it worse, and his +/- so far isn't promising (his on pace before the injury was below -40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Oh okay, got you. But what makes you think his defense is going to improve, has he looked better this year? I figured being in the West would just make it worse, and his +/- so far isn't promising (his on pace before the injury was below -40. Well, for one thing, everyone on our team was so bad in the plus-minus department that he can't help but be better. For another, the western conference seems to have evolved into the tight-checking, defensive conference with less run-and-gun style hockey, so there is less chance of Souray getting burned in open ice. Third, the east has, on average, more elite forward talent (Crosby, Spezza, Ovechkin, Heatley, Lecavalier, etc.), i.e. the kind of players who were quite likely to undress Souray on their way to scoring goals against us last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Well, for one thing, everyone on our team was so bad in the plus-minus department that he can't help but be better. Well, the Oilers scored a whole 2 more goals 5 on 5 then us last season and gave up the same amount 5 on 5, so their team +/- was just as bad as ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Well, the Oilers scored a whole 2 more goals 5 on 5 then us last season and gave up the same amount 5 on 5, so their team +/- was just as bad as ours. Yes, but like us, their team-plus minus was so bad last year that they have nowhere to go but up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Well, for one thing, everyone on our team was so bad in the plus-minus department that he can't help but be better. But his +/- improving doesn't make him a better defensive player. Well, mostly it depends how he does compared to his teammates. The problem I had with Souray's +/- last season wasn't so much that it was -30 or whatever, it was that he was dead last on our team. Had he been on a better 5 on 5 team, he probably would have had a decent +/-, but still would have been at the bottom of the team. I like +/-, but it is really a stat you need to use carefully because you can draw a lot of false conclusions from it. For another, the western conference seems to have evolved into the tight-checking, defensive conference with less run-and-gun style hockey, so there is less chance of Souray getting burned in open ice. Third, the east has, on average, more elite forward talent (Crosby, Spezza, Ovechkin, Heatley, Lecavalier, etc.), i.e. the kind of players who were quite likely to undress Souray on their way to scoring goals against us last year. Good points, although the West has its share of quick, offensive players. In general, the Western conference has been the better conference overall, although its possible that's starting to change, and most the superstars are in the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I briefly met Souray at the game, just said hi. I was moderatly star struck as I wasn't expecting him to come out because I didn't think he was there. He should wear a bell around his neck when he's coming lol, I was totally unprepared. Seemed like a nice enough guy though, I would have liked to get pics of him but TSN snatched him up right after the practice and I didn't see him again that morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianMike Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I briefly met Souray at the game, just said hi. I was moderatly star struck as I wasn't expecting him to come out because I didn't think he was there. He should wear a bell around his neck when he's coming lol, I was totally unprepared. Seemed like a nice enough guy though, I would have liked to get pics of him but TSN snatched him up right after the practice and I didn't see him again that morning. glad you saw him, sucks you didn't get a pic and get a chance to talk to him. One of the nicest guys around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Out indefinitely with a shoulder injury , get well soon TSN.ca Staff 11/15/2007 5:07:10 PM The Edmonton Oilers won't know when Sheldon Souray will return to the lineup, as the team learned on Thursday that the veteran defenceman is out indefinitely with a shoulder injury. Souray was expected to return to the lineup this week, but suffered a setback in his recovery. The Oilers placed Souray on injured reserve on Oct. 24, and expected him to miss three to four weeks with a separated left shoulder. The injury occurred as Souray, who signed a five-year contract in the summer, fell to the ice during a third-period fight with Vancouver's Byron Ritchie on Oct. 13. A native of Elk Point, Alberta, Souray enjoyed a career year last season for the Montreal Canadiens after scoring 26 goals and picking up 38 assists. Nineteen of his 26 goals came on the power play, setting a new NHL record for power play goals by a defenceman. This season, Souray one goal and one assist in six games before being sidelined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thefooligan5 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Out indefinitely with a shoulder injury , get well soon TSN.ca Staff 11/15/2007 5:07:10 PM The Edmonton Oilers won't know when Sheldon Souray will return to the lineup, as the team learned on Thursday that the veteran defenceman is out indefinitely with a shoulder injury. Souray was expected to return to the lineup this week, but suffered a setback in his recovery. The Oilers placed Souray on injured reserve on Oct. 24, and expected him to miss three to four weeks with a separated left shoulder. The injury occurred as Souray, who signed a five-year contract in the summer, fell to the ice during a third-period fight with Vancouver's Byron Ritchie on Oct. 13. A native of Elk Point, Alberta, Souray enjoyed a career year last season for the Montreal Canadiens after scoring 26 goals and picking up 38 assists. Nineteen of his 26 goals came on the power play, setting a new NHL record for power play goals by a defenceman. This season, Souray one goal and one assist in six games before being sidelined. ouch. i feel for him but i can't help but feel relieved he was not resigned by the habs this year as well. tough luck for the oilers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 ouch. i feel for him but i can't help but feel relieved he was not resigned by the habs this year as well. tough luck for the oilers as well. The way the team has been playing this season, they're saving on their cap while Souray is on the IR. A blessing in disguise? As long as he's back and plays on February 16th in Vancouver when I go watch him play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thefooligan5 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 The way the team has been playing this season, they're saving on their cap while Souray is on the IR. A blessing in disguise? As long as he's back and plays on February 16th in Vancouver when I go watch him play! i don't know the oils stats but seeing from last year that souray was a defense liability, i also wouldn't be surprised if it was a blessing in disguise for that reason (unless they desperately need some fire power from the blue line). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 i don't know the oils stats but seeing from last year that souray was a defense liability, i also wouldn't be surprised if it was a blessing in disguise for that reason (unless they desperately need some fire power from the blue line). They need some goals scoring. They won their game against Vancouver last night 1-0 in a shootout, Mathieu Garon out-performing a very solid Roberto Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 I was going to post this myself, u guys beat me too it, What a relief we didnt resign him, Wow! That bein said, his team really needs him, and im sure since they have signed him for aslong as they have, they will take there time getting him all healed up. There not going to rush him back into the lineup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 I second that motion, as much as I like Souray, he's been less than useless this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gumper-73 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Higher then Markov? I have to disagree. Here's the facts on Big Shel The Good: - powerplay boomer is unparalleled - big and physical - lots of heart The Bad: - would lose a foot race to Brian Skrudland (and I mean now not the Skrudland of '86) - lateral movement is brutal (think rod style table top hockey) - has quite an injury history Shel should get 4 mil max. Last year was a career year and I don't recall any talk of the Norris. I see him playing about 60 games next year with somewhat lesser numbers. Ask Leaf fans about Brian McCabe. He's one of the reasons Fergie Jr is tied up like a pretzel! Whoever wrote that was a genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 The way the team has been playing this season, they're saving on their cap while Souray is on the IR. A blessing in disguise? As long as he's back and plays on February 16th in Vancouver when I go watch him play! Might help, as they're somehow right at the brink of the cap. In that case though, it's a shame for them they didn't place him on IR sooner. Honestly though, I never realized they had such minimal wiggle room until now; I expected them to have oodles of space with the team they're fielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Whoever wrote that was a genius!Except that now 4 million would be too high in my eyes. In the summer, I said 4 million tops. But now, I'd maybe consider swapping him for Bouillion's salary or something, but the big thing he brought, his powerplay goals and assists, others have picked up the slack so well, we really don't need him at any price. Time will tell how he works out for the Oilers, but Hamrlik was definatley the better fit here.Might help, as they're somehow right at the brink of the cap. In that case though, it's a shame for them they didn't place him on IR sooner.Honestly though, I never realized they had such minimal wiggle room until now; I expected them to have oodles of space with the team they're fielding.I think when you place someone on IR it's retroactive. And you're right about the cap space, but they have some of the most overpaid plaeyrs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Imagine if our big Signing was injured for over a month this year. Edmonton must be a lil upset. I know i would be. Hopefully he comes back from the surgery and does well. but i doubt it. You gotto give it to him though, Atleast he cashed in before getting injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Imagine if our big Signing was injured for over a month this year. Edmonton must be a lil upset. I know i would be. Hopefully he comes back from the surgery and does well. but i doubt it. You gotto give it to him though, Atleast he cashed in before getting injured. Injuries are part of the game. I remember a couple of years ago (two or three years now?), we broke an NHL record for man games lost to injuries. Unfortunate, but it's a physical game out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hey JL, im sure you would know this one, What would happen if Sourray goes back out there, and gets injured again, and it will take 1 yr to come back? Does he still get paid this year, and if so is it the full amount? Also say he's injured bad enough that he cant ever come back, does he still get paid for the 5 yrs or whatever? I always wondered this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hey JL, im sure you would know this one, What would happen if Sourray goes back out there, and gets injured again, and it will take 1 yr to come back? Does he still get paid this year, and if so is it the full amount? Also say he's injured bad enough that he cant ever come back, does he still get paid for the 5 yrs or whatever? I always wondered this? Teams and players have insurance in case of injuries, sort of like on the private sector. He would get paid by the insurance company, not by the team and his salary would be cleared off the team cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Awwwwwwwwwwww, wasnt aware of this, I thought the team would be stuck with his cap $ Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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