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Garth Murray is not playing like last year, when he was hitting and fighting. He has done nothing since the beginning of the season and since Downey is out has done nothing to spark the habs when they seem out of it like toronto vs habs game. Is he hurt , not happy about being on the 4th while others move up , whats wrong with Garth Murray this year.

IMO the big difference between that line this year and last is icetime. When it was Bonk-Begin-Murray, they got a lot of ice time and the 3rd line didnt get too much. Now that the 3rd is Johnson-Bonk, they are getting a lot of ice time while the 4th line is getting under 5 minutes some nights.

5 minutes in a game makes it tough to make an impact. I think the same is true about Begin (although he gets more PK time) - he seems less effective this year. Maybe thats because he's back at center (aside from his amazing FO%, I tend to prefer him as a winger) or maybe its simply because he's not getting enough ice time.

Dont think you can blame Murray or anyone else on that line, unless they get more quality minutes.

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Garth Murray doesnt have the skill to be in the NHL, its his heart and his toughness thats keeping him in the lineup, and if hes not hitting and fighting theres no use for him here. Atleast Downey will fight and do anything for his team.

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Garth Murray doesnt have the skill to be in the NHL, its his heart and his toughness thats keeping him in the lineup, and if hes not hitting and fighting theres no use for him here. Atleast Downey will fight and do anything for his team.

I disagree, Murray will fight, he just doesn't win alot of the time. Murray also has speed, more so then Downey. Last season when he scored 2 goals against the Bruins, look at that first goal and you will see what I mean.

I have noticed he hasn't played quite the same as he did last year when he was fighting to keep his spot but at the same time I can't really recall a time this season where I ahve yelled at the tv when he was on the ice. Pretty much everyone else at some point I am asking

"what was that, what were you thinking? Come on now we all yell at the tv when they make a mistake, don't we :D

Jedimaas is right, it is hard to make an impact when you only have 5 minutes or so of icetime. Still when things get a little rough out there I'm glad we have players like Murray and Downey to step up when needed.

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id still rather see Lats - Pleks - Kostitsyn as the 4th line

hopefully now that Kovy has been put to center(wish#1), and that Perez is back with Kovy(wish#2), they might grant me wish#3 by putting that 4th line out there :D

where would murray downey and begin be?

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I like Murray, and I like what he brings, and I think he's only going to get better, but IMO we let 2 very good 4th liners go for nothing in recent years, Kilger and Jason Ward would both look fantastic on the 4th line.

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murray reminds me of plekanec by how much he has fallin off from last season

Yes sir, 1 step forward 2 steps back... Not impressed with Murray so far this season and by the looks of things neither is the coaching staff... He's in and out of the lineup.

He has become a liability out there.

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Murray seems slow and uninterested out there. I used to remember his hustle and defensive work but more often than he's been a real liability and floater. I'm not going to rag on him but I can't help but think the reason the kid has been called up is to replace him.

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Murray seems slow and uninterested out there. I used to remember his hustle and defensive work but more often than he's been a real liability and floater. I'm not going to rag on him but I can't help but think the reason the kid has been called up is to replace him.

the funny thing is last season I would never have thought Murray would be the time to ever look unintrestead.

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the funny thing is last season I would never have thought Murray would be the time to ever look unintrestead.

Agree. Last season I was too quick to judge him saying he isn't any good for our team. I WAS WRONG!!! Like I said in the other topic though...this season seems to be different. If he can't hit and stir up some scoring chances on the ice, what good is he for the Habs?

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Agree. Last season I was too quick to judge him saying he isn't any good for our team. I WAS WRONG!!!  Like I said in the other topic though...this season seems to be different. If he can't hit and stir up some scoring chances on the ice, what  good is he for the Habs?

Exactly, and not only is he not hitting right now, but he's a liability out there, how many times is his line pinned deep for 30-40 seconds, it seems like every other shift, and a lot of times it results in a DMan ending up in the box.

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Exactly, and not only is he not hitting right now, but he's a liability out there, how many times is his line pinned deep for 30-40 seconds, it seems like every other shift, and a lot of times it results in a DMan ending up in the box.

AGREE.

SO Murray if you are reading this...WE NEED YOU TO STEP IT UP...or sit a few down while Kots. plays. :D

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Garth's been stuck on a totally ineffective 4th line and he's frustrated as . They get 4-6 minutes a game. There is no confidence in them and why should there be? They look brutal. Remember Begin/Bonk/Murray? They got minutes, they had Gainey's confidence and they played well together. This year the 4th line is a mis-match of player types they have scraped together and it's pathetic.

He scared to hit peope because Carbo benches 4th line players if they take a penatly.

Garth Murray would take a puck off the face if it meant stopping a goal.

He hasn't had a line to play on, he's been taken off the PK, nor has he had the opportunity or gold pass of other players(See Latendresse).

Not only that he's been a healthy scratch to Guy's friend from Dallas who can't skate and falls over every time he tries to chip the puck out of his zone (IE Downey)

Guy has shattered his confidence that Bob Gainey instilled in him. So that's great coaching.

Garth wouldn't waste his time reading these forum's, BUT people who are close to Garth certainly do and trust me Hab fans, there is nothing more Garth wants in life than to get hitting, scoring and being an effective player for the Habs. If you ever question Garth's movitation or work ethic then you obviously don't know him.

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Look I like Murray, but he just isn't doing it this year, you can give me all the reasons you want but Downey has been better, it has nothing to do with Carbo being buddies with Downey, it has to do with who's been the more useful player, and that's Aaron.

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Garth's been stuck on a totally ineffective 4th line and he's frustrated as . They get 4-6 minutes a game. There is no confidence in them and why should there be? They look brutal. Remember Begin/Bonk/Murray? They got minutes, they had Gainey's confidence and they played well together. This year the 4th line is a  mis-match of player types they have scraped together and it's pathetic.  

He scared to hit peope because Carbo benches 4th line players if they take a penatly.  

Garth Murray would take a puck off the face if it meant stopping a goal.  

He hasn't had a line to play on, he's been taken off the PK, nor has he had the opportunity or gold pass of other players(See Latendresse).

Not only that he's been a healthy scratch to Guy's friend from Dallas who can't skate and falls over every time he tries to chip the puck out of his zone (IE Downey)

Guy has shattered his confidence that Bob Gainey instilled in him. So that's great coaching.

Garth wouldn't waste his time reading these forum's, BUT people who are close to Garth certainly do and trust me Hab fans, there is nothing more Garth wants in life than to get hitting, scoring and being an effective player for the Habs. If you ever question Garth's movitation or work ethic then you obviously don't know him.

i hear you....

downey being buddies with carbo has got a lot to do with him playing. i'm not trying to take anything away from downey, but murray was awesome last year and this year he gets peanut minutes and can't get a groove going. the guy will block shots with his teeth for this team. gainey needs to have a talk with the coaches and give murray a fair shake. maybe at worst, he and downey should take alternating games.

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