amp73 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 18 minutes in penalties for Montreal Ryder doesn't play the PK If you look at Higgins and Koivu ice time , they played about the same amount of PP and regular shift minutes as Ryder , where the extra minutes came in was on PK If you want Ryder to have more ice time ask the boys to stop taking stupid penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habgab Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 18 minutes in penalties for Montreal Ryder doesn't play the PK If you look at Higgins and Koivu ice time , they played about the same amount of PP and regular shift minutes as Ryder , where the extra minutes came in was on PK If you want Ryder to have more ice time ask the boys to stop taking stupid penalties I know Ryder doesn't play the PK. However, as I stated, there is more to it than that - not everyone plays the PK, yet everyone (other than Downey) got more ice time. As for the penalties, I have said many times that the penalties will eventually create all sorts of problems for the team and the coach should start taking action against those who get stupid penalties. Hooks and slashes (and obvious hooks and slashes) are lazy, unnecessary penalties. Given that hooking and slashing are not complex concepts and were not introduced to the penalty mix this year, I do not understand why the team still takes those penalties. Carbo has to ensure that they stop, somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Is Ryder becoming a lost asset? 9.58 minutes is not good. Maybe he should be playing on the line with Bonk and Johnson if he isn't getting extra time as a lot of others are because of specialty teams... at least Lats got 12.31. This could hurt his progression... maybe they don't want this guy to top 30 goals this season. bw6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjcc526 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Is Ryder becoming a lost asset? 9.58 minutes is not good. Maybe he should be playing on the line with Bonk and Johnson if he isn't getting extra time as a lot of others are because of specialty teams... at least Lats got 12.31. This could hurt his progression... maybe they don't want this guy to top 30 goals this season.bw6 wth is that suppose to mean?don't want him to top 30 goals. gainey and carbs are winners,they dont think like that. to say that,you must not have seen them and their teams from the 70's and 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest banker002 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 9 minutes and 58 seconds is terrible..... i know they had penalties....but ..carbo's role is to get ryder out there in even strength situations and pp time.....when your tough guy avec concussion is the only one who got less ice time then your supposed "go-to" goal scorer there is something wrong..... i am happy the habs won..don't get me wrong...but i'm thinking that ryder has to be a little frustrated right now and this frustration may result in less goals for the habs down the road and thus a "long term problem"...... iknow if i was ryder i would be a little disappointed in ice time year to date.. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjcc526 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 maybe they see or know something we don't. i assume they know a little more than we do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest banker002 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 perhaps..... i think he is playing well... faster then usual..passing the puck....hitting.... not sure what i am missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 wth is that suppose to mean?don't want him to top 30 goals. gainey and carbs are winners,they dont think like that. to say that,you must not have seen them and their teams from the 70's and 80'sI did watch the games in the 70's 80's 90's and don't miss a game... There was a time when top goal scorers got top ice-time though... tell me what are they (Carbo and Gainey) thinking then? Why the one year contract then? This guy (Ryder) is not a fluke but he can't deliver if he doesn't play... and it's not because he's only a one-dimensional player... because he isn't.bw6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 For one thing times are differnt now. Teams are trying to go with balence over being top heavy where possible. As mentioned already Koivu and Higgens are getting a lot of icetime due to the PK and Ryder doesn't play when they are not on the ice. I guess you will just have to live with it as long as the team is winning. There are a lot of players that could use a lot of icetime, but everyone who is not PK is playing similiar minutes overall. It's just worse for Ryder because he happens to play with two guys that do a lot of penalty kill work. You could send him out for the whole PP with differnt linemates, but I don't know if Carbo would do that since it would break up his units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 For one thing times are differnt now. Teams are trying to go with balence over being top heavy where possible. As mentioned already Koivu and Higgens are getting a lot of icetime due to the PK and Ryder doesn't play when they are not on the ice. I guess you will just have to live with it as long as the team is winning. There are a lot of players that could use a lot of icetime, but everyone who is not PK is playing similiar minutes overall. It's just worse for Ryder because he happens to play with two guys that do a lot of penalty kill work. You could send him out for the whole PP with differnt linemates, but I don't know if Carbo would do that since it would break up his units.I'm happy the Habs are winning as much as they are... but it's kind of strange seeing the top goal scorer the last two seasons... a runner-up for rookie honors who shoud've won now getting less ice-time than Perezhogin and Latendresse... balance? what balance? players getting similar minutes? who? Carbo has to find a way to get him back up in ice-time or do we lose this guy next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I think hes making a contribution to the team. I'm not sure what his average ice time is, but it seems like hes played a lot at times. I realize he is payed to score, but that doesn't mean he needs to be moved just because hes getting less icetime. As long as he chips in here and there and the team is winning it doesn't matter to much IMO. Right now the combination of Higgens/Koivu/Ryder has been very good. Yes hes getting less icetime due to Higgens have to play so much on the PK, but that is no reason to break up what has been the number one line for the team to this point in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I also just checked the super stats at NHL.com for previous games. In Colorado he played 15 minutes. In Boston he played 15 minutes. In Toronto he played 18 minutes. In Ottawa he played 16 minutes. Overall he has been getting lots of icetime. I don't think one game warrents an outcry of more icetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I also just checked the super stats at NHL.com for previous games. In Colorado he played 15 minutes. In Boston he played 15 minutes. In Toronto he played 18 minutes. In Ottawa he played 16 minutes. Overall he has been getting lots of icetime. I don't think one game warrents an outcry of more icetime. Good response... if it was only for one game... I'll be patient for now then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crognalsen Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Good response... if it was only for one game... I'll be patient for now then It's all good. I wouldn't trade him even if he was only getting 10 minutes a game because hes still a big part of the first line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habinto Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I also just checked the super stats at NHL.com for previous games. In Colorado he played 15 minutes. In Boston he played 15 minutes. In Toronto he played 18 minutes. In Ottawa he played 16 minutes. Overall he has been getting lots of icetime. I don't think one game warrents an outcry of more icetime. A partial reason for his low ice time is that there were a lot of penalties and he does not play the PK. I would not read anything into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Last night's game Regular Minutes Koivu 7:28 Higgins 7:04 Ryder 6:29 PK Minutes Koivu 3:28 Higgins 4:11 Ryder 0 PP Minutes Koivu 3:16 Higgins 4:04 Ryder 3:29 Other than PK minutes nothing abnormal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Koivu#11 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I think it's about time Ryder scored another goal. Afterall, it has been a couple games since he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest banker002 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Last night's game Regular Minutes Koivu 7:28 Higgins 7:04 Ryder 6:29 PK Minutes Koivu 3:28 Higgins 4:11 Ryder 0 PP Minutes Koivu 3:16 Higgins 4:04 Ryder 3:29 Other than PK minutes nothing abnormal great work (research)....true - nothing too abnormal...i'd just like to see him out there more... i guess if they stayed out of the box his minutes will increase.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 great work (research)....true - nothing too abnormal...i'd just like to see him out there more...i guess if they stayed out of the box his minutes will increase.. I don't think he's taken too many penalities, no more than Rivet anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I don't think he's taken too many penalities, no more than Rivet anyway.. Not Ryder, the TEAM as a whole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StratfordStreak Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 I would love to see that speed come back though that he showed in the first 5 games. He looked like a whole different player out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 I would love to see that speed come back though that he showed in the first 5 games. He looked like a whole different player out there. Where is Ryder?? First 7 games: 3 goals, 4 assists, 7 points Last 5 games: 1 goal, 0 assists, 1 point He needs to wake up because the second line has awoken and Higgins and Koivu are still there usual selves. He's been our worse forward in the top 3 lines in the past 5 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Where is Ryder??First 7 games: 3 goals, 4 assists, 7 points Last 5 games: 1 goal, 0 assists, 1 point He needs to wake up because the second line has awoken and Higgins and Koivu are still there usual selves. He's been our worse forward in the top 3 lines in the past 5 games... Ryder has been getting his opportunities and he's getting shots on net. The results may not be there right now, but as long as he's getting his chances, I'm not one bit worried about him. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovy1010 Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Ryder has been getting his opportunities and he's getting shots on net. The results may not be there right now, but as long as he's getting his chances, I'm not one bit worried about him. :cool: He has 10 shots in his last 5 games... not exactly great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 # 11 has 1G and 1A in his last 5 games - not exactly lighting the scoreboard up Ryder had 7 shot on goal in his 1st 5 games and 2 goals 10 shots in his last 5 games and 1 G Sometimes the puck goes in and sometimes it doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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