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For those of you who think Ryder is so easily expendable, I implore you to read the following article.

No one is saying Ryder is easily expendable at all. We're saying he's quite valuable, ergo if we're going to trade Ryder it better be for a pretty good sniper.

We all know this team can score on the powerplay, however 5 on 5 scoring is lacking and that was a huge problem last year. Ryder wasn't consistently dangerous 5 on 5 in my opinion, he only scored 12 goals 5 on 5! That is one area we could stand to improve in.

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No one is saying Ryder is easily expendable at all. We're saying he's quite valuable, ergo if we're going to trade Ryder it better be for a pretty good sniper.

We all know this team can score on the powerplay, however 5 on 5 scoring is lacking and that was a huge problem last year. Ryder wasn't consistently dangerous 5 on 5 in my opinion, he only scored 12 goals 5 on 5! That is one area we could stand to improve in.

That wasn't just him though that struggled. It was a team problem. And I'm not opposed to the idea of trading him. What I'm opposed to is trading him for someone who may or may not work out. Sure the person they bring in may be a 40 goal scorer, but the question remains can the person they bring in score 40 goals in a Habs uniorm. I've seen it happen way too many times to advocate trading away the Habs goal scoring leader. It would have to be an offer BG couldn't refuse for me to accept trading Ryder. Not because I'm a Ryder fan (which I admit I am) but because the Habs really do need to develop scoring depth and they're not going to do that by trading aweay existing scoring.

If 2 or 3 players step up and score 25-30 goals this season, then BG should go out and get that top line LW with Ryder as bait. But don't trade him away simply because you fear you're going to lose him for nothing. It's too short sighted in thought.

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That wasn't just him though that struggled. It was a team problem. And I'm not opposed to the idea of trading him. What I'm opposed to is trading him for someone who may or may not work out. Sure the person they bring in may be a 40 goal scorer, but the question remains can the person they bring in score 40 goals in a Habs uniorm. I've seen it happen way too many times to advocate trading away the Habs goal scoring leader. It would have to be an offer BG couldn't refuse for me to accept trading Ryder. Not because I'm a Ryder fan (which I admit I am) but because the Habs really do need to develop scoring depth and they're not going to do that by trading aweay existing scoring.

If 2 or 3 players step up and score 25-30 goals this season, then BG should go out and get that top line LW with Ryder as bait. But don't trade him away simply because you fear you're going to lose him for nothing. It's too short sighted in thought.

It was a team problem our 5 on 5, and I don't think we will be this awful five on five this year. I also don't expect us to be as hot on the powerplay. My guess is Ryder will be somewhere around 30 goals again, but with less powerplay markers and more goals 5 on 5.

That's a fair way of looking at it that we need to develop scoring depth. I'm thinking we've got it in the form of some of our younger players but it would be prudent to wait and see before making a big move like trading Ryder. Who knows if we get a break out seasons from any of Lats, Higgins, Kostitsyn, or Ryder than we might not be having this discussion about trading for more offense. Personally as I've said before I don't see Ryder suprising us good or bad this year, he'll be around 30 goals. Which is fantastic Higgins or Kostitsyn ... I have a feeling one of them at least is going to explode this year. Time will tell.

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funny thing is ,we do not have one (1) player on this team who has scored 30 goals in the last 5 years besides ryder.Our offense stunk last year.And people want to trade him?That is so ridiculous.How can anyone call themselves a knowledgable hockey fan who wants to trade him.They say it's better than losing him for nothing.How about signing him for kovy-type money.Losing or trading him would be just plain stupid.

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funny thing is ,we do not have one (1) player on this team who has scored 30 goals in the last 5 years besides ryder.Our offense stunk last year.And people want to trade him?That is so ridiculous.How can anyone call themselves a knowledgable hockey fan who wants to trade him.They say it's better than losing him for nothing.How about signing him for kovy-type money.Losing or trading him would be just plain stupid.

This has been stated before, but, I think people generally agree that Ryder has some value that could help this team fix their 5 on 5 problems.

I wouldn't call it a lack of knowledge (Because that comes off a bit rude), but rather, perhaps a bit short sighted.

I'm not a huge Ryder fan but I recognize that he does in fact put the puck in the net (which as you point out is needed on this team).

Furthermore, I agree that letting him walk might be "stupid," but trading him could have positive implications. You have to give up value to get it. Signing Ryder to a Kovalev type contract would be a mistake, IMO. Ryder has value but does not have the skill-set to deserve a 4.5 million salary (in reality, who does?).

Would I rather have a more-rounded player who puts up 30 a season? Of course, but for now Ryder is what we have and I'll take his 30 goals regardless of his problems in other areas.

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No one is saying Ryder is easily expendable at all. We're saying he's quite valuable, ergo if we're going to trade Ryder it better be for a pretty good sniper.

We all know this team can score on the powerplay, however 5 on 5 scoring is lacking and that was a huge problem last year. Ryder wasn't consistently dangerous 5 on 5 in my opinion, he only scored 12 goals 5 on 5! That is one area we could stand to improve in.

lol... he only scored 12 5 on 5 goals ( he actually just scored 11, there was 17 PPG, 2 SHG and 11 5 on 5 goals ), you say that like it was something HE was responisble for only? By that logic ALL members of the team should be trashed, truth is, only ONE player on the team scored more 5 on 5 goals than Ryder and thats Kovalev, Koivu, Higgins, Pleks and Lats all had the same number or one less.

Why trade a sniper, who has proven he works within this environment and within this system for another sniper who may or may not perform as well in the situation that is Montreal?

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I think Ryder is a work horse. He has been the only constant on the Canadiens in the past 4 years scoring 25-30-30. He is obviously going to carry our powerplay given no one has the ability to put the puck in the net in those situations.

I have never seen another cut in the middle like he does as he scores with his heavy shot and makes opposing defenceman look like pylons. He is always healthy as he missed like 2 games in the past 3 seasons, he can always be counted on to play.

He always seems to score big goals for us and I think this year he can definitely score 40 goals and get 75 pts if he has the right centre on his line.

I am very disappointed with BG. I expected a long term contract in the range of 15-16M for 4 seasons, I surely hope Gainey will reassess his stance and quickly sign Ryder long term as he will be the pinnacle of our offence for years to come.

I think all the Ryder sceptics should stop talking about trading them because it makes no sense to trade the only asset you have, I mean seriously how are the Habs gonna make the playoffs without our sniper.

I think the trade Ryder advocates should have their posts removed and thrown off this site because this is not the type of fans we need here.

i mean honestly, check out these videos of Ryder and then tell me why we should trade him:

http://www.nhl.com/video/app?page=PlayerHi...mp;service=page

We should all be thankful we have Ryder on our team.

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Good article on the main page. It's a nice feeling to know that we do have a player that the opposing goaltender sweats over a little bit.

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I remember watching Ryder at the beginning of last year with an extra jump in his step and thinking Ryder might have himself an amazing year............... 30 goals or not, I think he had a slightly better than average year at best. Yes he puts the puck in the net (only 3 of which were GW) but far too often he holds on to the puck when passing it is clearly the better option. I can t even recall how many odd man rushes he ruined. I say we trade him while he has some value instead of waiting till he is worth nothing...... like ROY ( which was still amazing when we traded him), Theodore, etc.

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Why trade a sniper, who has proven he works within this environment and within this system for another sniper who may or may not perform as well in the situation that is Montreal?

exactly.

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That wasn't just him though that struggled. It was a team problem. And I'm not opposed to the idea of trading him. What I'm opposed to is trading him for someone who may or may not work out. Sure the person they bring in may be a 40 goal scorer, but the question remains can the person they bring in score 40 goals in a Habs uniorm. I've seen it happen way too many times to advocate trading away the Habs goal scoring leader. It would have to be an offer BG couldn't refuse for me to accept trading Ryder. Not because I'm a Ryder fan (which I admit I am) but because the Habs really do need to develop scoring depth and they're not going to do that by trading aweay existing scoring.

If 2 or 3 players step up and score 25-30 goals this season, then BG should go out and get that top line LW with Ryder as bait. But don't trade him away simply because you fear you're going to lose him for nothing. It's too short sighted in thought.

I don't think worrying about scoring more goals is our problem. I think doing better in five on five situations is our problem. I would sooner have a more complete player scoring 20 goals a year who plays well at both ends of teh rink than someone who scores 30 and does nothing in his own end.

Just look at NJ they fine last year and scored 30 goals less then we did. I just don't think scoring is that big an issue as our lack of five play at both ends of the rink.

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I don't think worrying about scoring more goals is our problem. I think doing better in five on five situations is our problem. I would sooner have a more complete player scoring 20 goals a year who plays well at both ends of teh rink than someone who scores 30 and does nothing in his own end.

Just look at NJ they fine last year and scored 30 goals less then we did. I just don't think scoring is that big an issue as our lack of five play at both ends of the rink.

But that's not Ryder. I don't know how many times I noticed plays where other players on the ice tuned the puck over (including Koivu) resulting in a goal where Ryder was doing what he was supposed to do. Several other times the goalie allowed a weak goal, again, nothing to do with Ryder's play. As a matter of fact, I'll go as far as saying that in spite of the bad +/- stats, Ryder has actually improved on the defensive aspect of his game to the point where defensive specialists Carbonneau, Jarvis and Muller gave Ryder more time on the PK last year! Don't get me wrong, he'll never win a Selke trophy, but he's far from being as bad defensively as some want to beleive, just looking at the +/- stats!

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Is this the same Gainey that signed Samsonov for two years @ $3.5 million a year? Not the first time Gainey saw things a little differently it seems. In any case, I have no idea why you're even bringing that nonsense up. The argument here is about Ryder being dependent on play-making linemates for his success, and anyone who's objectively watched the replays of his goals can clearly see that this isn't true. But even if you don't want to believe the video that's right in front of your eyes, step back and think about it. How could a player come all the way from the ECHL to become the lead scorer of an NHL team, two years in a row, by being dependent on playmaking linemates? That doesn't even make sense. Ryder has succeeded in this and other leagues by combining a moderate amount of talent with a huge amount of determination and grit. Rather than talk all the time about trading him, we should looking for more players like him. But of course that will never happen because fans like you would rather run him out of town in favor of more expensive, prima donna type players who never quite seem to live up to their billing.

Well said. And what's wrong with needing help from linemates. They work together (i.e. cooperate) to produce goals. 30 goal scorers are nothing to sneeze at. Ryder had a few posts last year as I recall as well. Why not augment this diamond in the rough with a premier left winger. I'm sure Kovalev packaged with either a draft pick and prospect would net us a pretty decent left winger that may possibly create one of the most potent lines in the league. I can't believe how many people post on this site suggestions to rid us of a player who has exceeded expectations for a reasonable market value. I believe he has the potential to score 40+. Regarding his contract. Who's to say that Ryder's agent didn't say "OK, He'll take another 1 year deal, to give you trade flexibility come the deadline, but if He's dispelled your misgiving re: his +/-, then next year He wants to be rewarded appropriately- and stay in Montreal." "Ryder has never publicly suggested or even hinted anything otherwise unlike some prima donna type players.

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I think Ryder would be a good player if he stays within his strong areas, which is finding an open spot in the slot to use his great wristshot.

He isn't effective carrying the puck into the offensive zone, so he should let someone else do that. Also, he needs more vision. His teammates could be WIDE OPEN and he still elects to try to shoot it through the defencemen covering him. He is a bit too much of a puck hog.

That being said, he definitely improved his backchecking play last year and even showed some physical play.

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I think Ryder would be a good player if he stays within his strong areas, which is finding an open spot in the slot to use his great wristshot.

He isn't effective carrying the puck into the offensive zone, so he should let someone else do that. Also, he needs more vision. His teammates could be WIDE OPEN and he still elects to try to shoot it through the defencemen covering him. He is a bit too much of a puck hog.

That being said, he definitely improved his backchecking play last year and even showed some physical play.

Ryder is our goal scorer. He is payed to shoot. Why should he pass it to someone else when we all know he can score? Shooting it through the defenceman covering him gives the goalie less sight of the puck and less time to react.

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http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app/?service...rticleid=336412

Awesome article, Habs have to lock this guy up long term. I still say between 17-19 Million over 4 years is more than fair for both sides

So true! the article was bang on, tack on the highlight reels and I think it's more than fair to have Ryder signed for 20M for 5 years.

We have to take in consideration that the Habs management is trusting Ryder with some PK duties as well where he actually scored a highlight reel shorthanded goal. I think if Ryder becomes an even more rounded player than he is, he can become the leader of this team for years to come.

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Ryder is the closest thing to a goal scorer we have on the team right now. I would guarentee he'll lead the team in goals this season. But the fact that he's our closest thing to a goal scorer isn't his fault, it's the organizations fault.

If they think a 30 goal scorer can get us through a season and into the playoffs then I don't see how that is Ryder's fault.

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Ryder is our goal scorer. He is payed to shoot. Why should he pass it to someone else when we all know he can score? Shooting it through the defenceman covering him gives the goalie less sight of the puck and less time to react.

If Ryder has a guy right on him and can't get a shot through... he needs to pass. Plain and simple. It's very easy to see he makes HORRIBLE use of his linemates.

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If Ryder has a guy right on him and can't get a shot through... he needs to pass. Plain and simple. It's very easy to see he makes HORRIBLE use of his linemates.

Yet he was 5th on the team last season for assists..... so does that mean that the other players below him aren't making use of their linemates as well? I'm really getting tired of these arguements, his +/- sucks, news flash, 80% of the team had horrible +/-, he dosn't pass, yet he was 5th for assists, he shoots too much... HE SHOOT'S TOO MUCH?!?!?! Ask me there are a few other members of the team that could learn a thing or two from Michael, its actually refreshing to see shots being taken, we are consistantly and constantly outshot. Put a puck at the net and anything can happen, you hope for a deflection, a rebound, a goalie in the middle of a daydream, pass it across to a teammate and your chance for lady luck to put it in suddenly becomes a chance for lady luck to turn the puck over.

Look, I'm not saying passing isn't important, thats stupid, its an intregal part of the game, but this constant whining for a sniper to suddenly become a playmaker, when in actuallity he DOE'S pass off the puck on many occasions, its just digging and digging to find some fault in the game he plays.

Is he perfect? Nope, he can make bone headed decisions, often when "passing" the puck, he can be lazy on the boards, he's not the speediest or most creative puck carrier there is, but he is a sniper, he is a shooter, and he is our leading goal scorer. Rather than try to find things wrong with his game, we can all find things wrong, why not just sit back, relax, enjoy the goals he scores ( 30 goal scorers only comprise 5% of the league by the way, were lucky to have one ) and know that he isn't costing us NEAR what some of the other 5% is costing their repective teams.

If you don't like him, just say flatly, I don't like him, don't try to hide your dislike behind stats and opinions on protions of his game that just don't hold up under closer observation.

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I don't think worrying about scoring more goals is our problem. I think doing better in five on five situations is our problem. I would sooner have a more complete player scoring 20 goals a year who plays well at both ends of teh rink than someone who scores 30 and does nothing in his own end.

Just look at NJ they fine last year and scored 30 goals less then we did. I just don't think scoring is that big an issue as our lack of five play at both ends of the rink.

Ryder was 2nd on the team for ES goals in 03/04, was tied for third in 05/06 and tied for second in 06/07. Sure he was -25, but how can anyone single Ryder out for that when Koivu was -21 and Kovalev was -19, and especially we you consider that Ryder had 27 giveaways while Koivu had 52 and Kovelev had 44. Not only is Ryder being misrepresented here, he's being blamed for issues that are really team problems. At some point, the management/ coaching staff has to be held accountable for some of this.

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If Ryder has a guy right on him and can't get a shot through... he needs to pass. Plain and simple. It's very easy to see he makes HORRIBLE use of his linemates.

You don't finish a season fifth in assists for not passing the puck. He made some beautiful passes last season that finished in a goal. At times I agree, he does make horrible use of his linemates, but really, it's not like he's playing with an explosive goal scorer.

Like I said he's the closest thing we have to a goal scorer and I would be Carbs is telling him to shoot the puck a lot. He's being misused on the team like so many others have been in the past. We're trying to make him something he's not simply because we happen to need that type of player on the team.

Ryder was never scouted to be a super star goal scorer and he has done really well for us.

He looks like he's doing what the rest of the team tries to do 8/10 times, which is make the best out of a bad situation.

His lack of passing may not be his fault either, if the coach tells him not to pass and to shoot, then that's what he has to do. Either way, we don't know that.

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