kovalev47 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm not bashing you in any way but you gotta be kidding me...first off tanguay is better than ryder jus watch this season, Huet...well theres no way we would pay him the kinda money he got and personally I think not only is price better than huet but halak is close to being as good as he is and I'd rather have a young goalie who is paid about 4.5 million less than have an overpriced goalie who won't get the starts he wants...On streit although he is a loss I don't think it will hurt us...We have better d-man than him and he wouldn't fit in there or in our forward lines and you can't keep a 4 million dollar player in the press box substituting games...Yes he got a lot of points but he played on the 1st power play unit. We have sergei kostitsyn that can play the point on the pp and If he plays there this year watch out because you and everyone will be extremely surprised how well this guy plays the point...I watched him in london and not only does he have great playmaking skills and a hell of a slap shot, but he is more realiable defensively than streit...He can make huge open ice hits and I've witnessed plenty of hip checks by the kid that make me jump because the guys he hits are twice his size I also recall on a 5 on 3 penalty kill the knights(london) would put him out there on defense! this guy is a hell of a penalty killer and scored many 5 on 3 short handed goals...I remember watching a game in overtime when they were down 2 man and sergei blocked a shot skated up the ice, deked out 3 players and scored the gamewinning goal! And saying that tampa made all the right moves come on...they brought in all forwards when what they really needed was defensemen and a #1 goalie...so watch this year as they score 4-5 goals a game but also allow the same against them....And we are in NO way going to end up like the leafs....we have one of the youngest and best teams in the league and we have more prospects than we know what to do with! Again I'm sorry if you think I'm bashing you, I'm not..I'm just stating my opinion Price and Halak are not close to as good as Huet yet. We saw what happened with a lack of experience in goal. Of course Huet would be too expensive with the Habs since management refused to give him a full starter's role. Look at who Tanguay plays with versus who Ryder plays with. Ryder will pot 35-40 goals next season playing alongside PB or Savard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I think you're confusing the roles of the GM and the coach. Carbo has very little to do with trades as he can only offer his opinion. And even offerring opinions can turn out to be a dicey move... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-1 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Look at who Tanguay plays with versus who Ryder plays with. Ryder will pot 35-40 goals next season playing alongside PB or Savard. Tanguay... he got 57 points (43 even strength points - which would put him first on our team, ahead of Plekanec, Kovalev and Andrei Kostitsyn) playing with Owen Nolan and Craig Conroy and very limited PP time. At least he'll get the chance to play with some decent players in Koivu and Higgins / Kostitsyn / Latendresse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 And even offerring opinions can turn out to be a dicey move... Exactly. Even though Gainey and Carbo are really good friends, I seriously doubt that Carbo would try and tell Gainey what to do. I'm sure they talk about the players but ultimately Gainey is the boss. With a proven track record of being one of the best in the business, I doubt that any coach would try to tell Gainey what to do or question his decisions. Tanguay... he got 57 points (43 even strength points - which would put him first on our team, ahead of Plekanec, Kovalev and Andrei Kostitsyn) playing with Owen Nolan and Craig Conroy and very limited PP time. At least he'll get the chance to play with some decent players in Koivu and Higgins / Kostitsyn / Latendresse. This is an excellent point. Tanguay is alot more talented than Ryder and if he's used on the powerplay will probably be able to put up ppg numbers. I'm still torn on Ryder. I understand there was no way he could have stayed here but I still kind of wish that he would have worked out in Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Tanguay... he got 57 points (43 even strength points - which would put him first on our team, ahead of Plekanec, Kovalev and Andrei Kostitsyn) playing with Owen Nolan and Craig Conroy and very limited PP time. At least he'll get the chance to play with some decent players in Koivu and Higgins / Kostitsyn / Latendresse. I have read a lot about Tanguay's limited PP time with Calgary, but he was actually 4th among Calgary forwards in PP time. His total for the year was 238:52. The Canadiens' forwards who had more PP time were: Kovalev 340:42 Plekanec 277:15 Koivu 270:13 Higgins 263:18 Andrei Kostitsyn was just behind Tanguay at 234:51. Our 1st PP unit of Kovalev, Plekanec, and Kostitsyn will probably remain intact this year. Carbonneau will have to make the tough decision as to who to take PP time away from. IMO, it will have to be one of Higgins or Sergei Kostitsyn. It's a tough decision, but one that coaches like to be in a position to have to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13-nico-13 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I have read a lot about Tanguay's limited PP time with Calgary, but he was actually 4th among Calgary forwards in PP time. His total for the year was 238:52. The Canadiens' forwards who had more PP time were: Kovalev 340:42 Plekanec 277:15 Koivu 270:13 Higgins 263:18 Andrei Kostitsyn was just behind Tanguay at 234:51. Our 1st PP unit of Kovalev, Plekanec, and Kostitsyn will probably remain intact this year. Carbonneau will have to make the tough decision as to who to take PP time away from. IMO, it will have to be one of Higgins or Sergei Kostitsyn. It's a tough decision, but one that coaches like to be in a position to have to make. He won't have to take time away from anyone. We are going to need a forward to play the point on the powerplay because with the departure of Streit we only have 2 defencemen capable of playing on the powerplay. Serger Kostitsyn played the point on a few occasions last year, as did Tanguay in Calgary. A.Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev Markov-S.Kostitsyn Higgins-Koivu-Latendresse Hamrlik-Tanguay Tanguay and S.Kostitsyn could be switched depending on who Carbo sees would be a better fit with Markov. And of course, all of this could change if we do get Sundin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 He won't have to take time away from anyone. We are going to need a forward to play the point on the powerplay because with the departure of Streit we only have 2 defencemen capable of playing on the powerplay. Serger Kostitsyn played the point on a few occasions last year, as did Tanguay in Calgary. A.Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev Markov-S.Kostitsyn Higgins-Koivu-Latendresse Hamrlik-Tanguay Tanguay and S.Kostitsyn could be switched depending on who Carbo sees would be a better fit with Markov. And of course, all of this could change if we do get Sundin. Good points. I thought Sergei looked good on the point on the PP. It's good to hear that Tanguay can play there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utreder Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 The position you guys are penciling Sergei Kostitsyn and Alex Tanguay into, isn't that guy supposed to have a good shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazinrasin Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 The position you guys are penciling Sergei Kostitsyn and Alex Tanguay into, isn't that guy supposed to have a good shot. Yes........... I suppose you don't think too highly of their respective shots? Remember, you don't need a big bomb from the point on the powerplay. What you need is guys who can get the puck through screens and to the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Yes........... I suppose you don't think too highly of their respective shots? Remember, you don't need a big bomb from the point on the powerplay. What you need is guys who can get the puck through screens and to the net. Exactly. Streit himself doesn't have a cannon shot, but he knows how to get his shot on net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauro-Biello Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Exactly. Streit himself doesn't have a cannon shot, but he knows how to get his shot on net. Ya, plus Streit did get a few goals from one timers but most of the time he'd miss the net. I remember hearing some guy from the CBC i think it was elliot friedman during an intermission talking about how ppl from the Habs were telling Streit to start getting his shots on goals and when they got back on the ice, the guy was using wristers instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Ya, plus Streit did get a few goals from one timers but most of the time he'd miss the net. I remember hearing some guy from the CBC i think it was elliot friedman during an intermission talking about how ppl from the Habs were telling Streit to start getting his shots on goals and when they got back on the ice, the guy was using wristers instead. Ugh, in the post-season it was SO BAD. I couldn't stand how much Streit was missing the net. Now Souray, not to beat a dead horse, was capable at getting a booming shot on goal. It's too bad neither could play D. I'm sure someone like Kostitsyn or Tanguay will handle the point well on the PP. Carbo will find someone, either way, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazinrasin Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Ugh, in the post-season it was SO BAD. I couldn't stand how much Streit was missing the net. Now Souray, not to beat a dead horse, was capable at getting a booming shot on goal. It's too bad neither could play D. I'm sure someone like Kostitsyn or Tanguay will handle the point well on the PP. Carbo will find someone, either way, I'm sure. I think Jarvis and Muller handle the powerplay so all Carbo really has to do is pick someone to fill in the hole. Those two have transformed our powerplay into a dynmaic and incredibly efficient collective. I am fully confident that whoever Guy selects to fill Streit's hole will see a measure of success next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 I think Jarvis and Muller handle the powerplay so all Carbo really has to do is pick someone to fill in the hole. Those two have transformed our powerplay into a dynmaic and incredibly efficient collective. I am fully confident that whoever Guy selects to fill Streit's hole will see a measure of success next year. As I understood it, Jarvis handles the power play, while Muller handles the PK. Can someone confirm? In any case, I don't see why some are so reluctant to admit that our power play makes the player as much as the player makes our power play. It will be fine. They will, however, have to work on gaining the zone without Streit, as he was often the guy who carried the puck in and set up (and was very good at it, until the playoffs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazinrasin Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 As I understood it, Jarvis handles the power play, while Muller handles the PK. Can someone confirm? In any case, I don't see why some are so reluctant to admit that our power play makes the player as much as the player makes our power play. It will be fine. They will, however, have to work on gaining the zone without Streit, as he was often the guy who carried the puck in and set up (and was very good at it, until the playoffs). I think you are right about Jarvis having sole propriety over the pp. I'm glad someone else sees the powerplay as a unit instead of a collection of players. We certainly have skill on our pp but by no means is it the most talented in the NHL. Jarvis has our players pulling in the same direction and has set up the power play to allow the players to exploit their respective strengths. Streit's departure will reaffirm what Souray's did: This powerplay is successful because of outstanding puck movement and each player accepting their role as a cog in the machine. It does not live and die by one particular player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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