Guest KovalevMTL Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Carbo has to be more loud and vocal when things arent gelling or those nights it looks like men against boys. Did you see Keenan lash out at his players for a bad game. Thats what I would like to see out of Carbo. If its 2-0 for Mtl dont sit back. If its 0-4 Still dont sit back. Carbo must push push and push this team this year, Good luck to Vets and Rooks, GAME ON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 One thing I'd like Carbo to do this year is stop yapping at the refs and smiling sarcastically every time a call doesn't go our way. He has to learn to maintain his composure and not antagonize the referees all the time. There's a time for fire, and a time for ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 One thing I'd like Carbo to do this year is stop yapping at the refs and smiling sarcastically every time a call doesn't go our way. He has to learn to maintain his composure and not antagonize the referees all the time. There's a time for fire, and a time for ice. I would agree with the statement...Carbo needs to work on his poker face when it comes to his reactions behind the pine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I would agree with the statement...Carbo needs to work on his poker face when it comes to his reactions behind the pine. Bryan Murray is a great example of a coach who knows when to keep his cool and when to blow up. Most of the time, his face doesn't say much about the situation, so when he loses it, it means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2VP Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I lost all respect I had for Carbs when I heard that he was speaking French to the players on the bench. He’s shown his wisdom already in his preseason comments about the who’s who in the zoo. Only to have Bob reverse everything he’s said. Saku and Kovalev weren’t impressed with him last year, and it showed on the ice. Saku had a great season, but something was bugging Kovy and you can be damn sure it wasn’t his line mates. A coach has to be able to communicate in the same language to all players at all times. Even if the point is directed to one player. And that language is hockey (English)! Sorry to our francophone members here but that’s the way she goes. He’s a puppet, and we’ll see what happens in the first 3 months. I am guessing he’s already had the heart to heart with management, most likely 3 weeks ago on one fine Saturday morning right after Gainey had to reiterate on TSN how the backup was going to be picked and one day after Guy said there is no way Carey Price should be here in Oct. Pft, well done Guy! How’s the ice where you stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I lost all respect I had for Carbs when I heard that he was speaking French to the players on the bench. He’s shown his wisdom already in his preseason comments about the who’s who in the zoo. Only to have Bob reverse everything he’s said. Saku and Kovalev weren’t impressed with him last year, and it showed on the ice. Saku had a great season, but something was bugging Kovy and you can be damn sure it wasn’t his line mates. A coach has to be able to communicate in the same language to all players at all times. Even if the point is directed to one player. And that language is hockey (English)! Sorry to our francophone members here but that’s the way she goes. He’s a puppet, and we’ll see what happens in the first 3 months. I am guessing he’s already had the heart to heart with management, most likely 3 weeks ago on one fine Saturday morning right after Gainey had to reiterate on TSN how the backup was going to be picked and one day after Guy said there is no way Carey Price should be here in Oct. Pft, well done Guy! How’s the ice where you stand? I would really love to have a source for all this ......... or is it just bitterness from a fan who thinks he knows more about hockey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tomto Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 i think all we can realy doo is wait, hope and complain for now until we see if anything changes later in the season. and then we will hope and complain some more about carbo even if he does become a litle better. Sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Carbo has to be more loud and vocal when things arent gelling or those nights it looks like men against boys. Did you see Keenan lash out at his players for a bad game. Thats what I would like to see out of Carbo. If its 2-0 for Mtl dont sit back. If its 0-4 Still dont sit back. Carbo must push push and push this team this year, Good luck to Vets and Rooks, GAME ON! And how many times has Keenan been fired exactly? I wouldn't take any coaching lessons from this guy, that's for sure! I lost all respect I had for Carbs when I heard that he was speaking French to the players on the bench. He’s shown his wisdom already in his preseason comments about the who’s who in the zoo. Only to have Bob reverse everything he’s said. Saku and Kovalev weren’t impressed with him last year, and it showed on the ice. Saku had a great season, but something was bugging Kovy and you can be damn sure it wasn’t his line mates. A coach has to be able to communicate in the same language to all players at all times. Even if the point is directed to one player. And that language is hockey (English)! Sorry to our francophone members here but that’s the way she goes. He’s a puppet, and we’ll see what happens in the first 3 months. I am guessing he’s already had the heart to heart with management, most likely 3 weeks ago on one fine Saturday morning right after Gainey had to reiterate on TSN how the backup was going to be picked and one day after Guy said there is no way Carey Price should be here in Oct. Pft, well done Guy! How’s the ice where you stand? The language thing is bogus. Who cares if he speaks French to a French Canadian, Russian to a Russian and English to an American, as long as the message is loud and clear and he communicates with them! It will happen that management and the coaching staff will see things differently. I wouldn't put too much stock into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 And how many times has Keenan been fired exactly? I wouldn't take any coaching lessons from this guy, that's for sure! Hey, say what you want about Keenan, but he has won in the past. Going on track record, he has accomplished more than Carbo as a coach. I wouldn't hire Iron Mike, but I also wouldn't say that he has nothing to offer. The language thing is bogus. Who cares if he speaks French to a French Canadian, Russian to a Russian and English to an American, as long as the message is loud and clear and he communicates with them! It will happen that management and the coaching staff will see things differently. I wouldn't put too much stock into that. I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I lost all respect I had for Carbs when I heard that he was speaking French to the players on the bench. He’s shown his wisdom already in his preseason comments about the who’s who in the zoo. Only to have Bob reverse everything he’s said. Saku and Kovalev weren’t impressed with him last year, and it showed on the ice. Saku had a great season, but something was bugging Kovy and you can be damn sure it wasn’t his line mates. A coach has to be able to communicate in the same language to all players at all times. Even if the point is directed to one player. And that language is hockey (English)! Sorry to our francophone members here but that’s the way she goes. He’s a puppet, and we’ll see what happens in the first 3 months. I am guessing he’s already had the heart to heart with management, most likely 3 weeks ago on one fine Saturday morning right after Gainey had to reiterate on TSN how the backup was going to be picked and one day after Guy said there is no way Carey Price should be here in Oct. Pft, well done Guy! How’s the ice where you stand? This reads like someone who's taken Guy Carbonneau being behind the bench personally. Carbonneau strikes me as being anything but a puppet. If anything I'd say he's more outspoken then maybe he should be at times (although there's nothing wrong with making players accountable). As for the communication thing; what does it matter how he communicates; so long as he does communicate and is effective in doing so? Carbo's never going to be accused of being Scotty Bowman...But until the closest thing to the 2nd coming of Scotty Bowman is a valid choice as head coach for this club; Carbo is the man. He had a rough 1st season as coach and faced a great deal of adversity. I can't help but think that this calibre of adversity this early in his career is only going to benefit him down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hey, say what you want about Keenan, but he has won in the past. Going on track record, he has accomplished more than Carbo as a coach. I wouldn't hire Iron Mike, but I also wouldn't say that he has nothing to offer. He's won a Cup in New York. So did Jean Perron in Montreal. Where is he? Keenan is simply lucky to be given so many chances! How many contracts has he finished before getting fired? What I'll give you though is that Keenan does have a lot more experience coaching than Carbonneau... but was he that successful? I wouldn't say so. And that's not being pro-Carbo, it's being anti-Keenan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 He's won a Cup in New York. So did Jean Perron in Montreal. Where is he? Keenan is simply lucky to be given so many chances! How many contracts has he finished before getting fired? None of that changes the fact that he did win a Cup and many teams have obviously seen something in him over the years to take a chance on him. There are plenty of great coaches around the league who have never won even one Stanley Cup. Are they just 'lucky' and given many chances? All I'm saying is that regardless of how you feel about Mike Keenan, it's a bit unfair to say that he has nothing to offer in terms of coaching expertise. I wouldn't want Keenan coaching the Habs, but I am 100% that if he and Carbo sat down and talked hockey over a beer, Carbo would learn something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest js2 Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 So heres a Red Fisher article on Carbonneau on the final game of last season against the Leafs. And guess what.. Carbonneau pretty much blames the NHL for that loss. So what happened? "Couple of bad goals," Carbonneau said with a shrug ... on Cristobal Huet, who had made his first start in the last 23 games of the season. Was that a coaching mistake? Should Huet have played the last game of the season after missing more than the last one-quarter of the season? Blame it on the NHL's rules, Carbonneau said. "When Huet was almost ready to come back, our intention was to send him to Hamilton for one or two games ... get his momentum back, get him into shape ... game shape. The rules don't allow that. We couldn't send him back. I think that hurt us more than anything else. http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/stor...1c-3ebbb146e7d8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jennifer_rocket Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 So heres a Red Fisher article on Carbonneau on the final game of last season against the Leafs. And guess what.. Carbonneau pretty much blames the NHL for that loss. http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/stor...1c-3ebbb146e7d8 Hahahaha. That's hilarious. Those are the kind of comments I don't like from our coach. Blaming it on the NHL...! How about, "We lost because Toronto out-worked us like mad in the first period. By the third we were unable to muster any motivation or strength to mount even a tiny comeback. We took some bad penalties too. What it comes down to is that Toronto played better than us in 8 games this year. We were lucky not to lose them all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hahahaha. That's hilarious. Those are the kind of comments I don't like from our coach. Blaming it on the NHL...! How about, "We lost because Toronto out-worked us like mad in the first period. By the third we were unable to muster any motivation or strength to mount even a tiny comeback. We took some bad penalties too. What it comes down to is that Toronto played better than us in 8 games this year. We were lucky not to lose them all."I'll give you one thing... the Leafs did for the most part outplay the Habs (with the help in large part of the Refs I might add) and what struck me was how the Habs were physically manhandled (flash-back the way the Leafs played the Sens). This year's version of the Habs is (I hope) not going to be so easily pushed around, while teams have to contend with more pressure in their own zone (according to Carbo) and the Habs team speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Who's on the Hot Seat? Mckenzie - TSN.CA Alexei Kovalev/Guy Carbonneau: The talented Russian forward cannot be feuding with his coach, and vice versa. If the Canadiens are going to challenge for the playoffs, these two guys need to be on the same page. http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=219786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 None of that changes the fact that he did win a Cup and many teams have obviously seen something in him over the years to take a chance on him. There are plenty of great coaches around the league who have never won even one Stanley Cup. Are they just 'lucky' and given many chances? All I'm saying is that regardless of how you feel about Mike Keenan, it's a bit unfair to say that he has nothing to offer in terms of coaching expertise. I wouldn't want Keenan coaching the Habs, but I am 100% that if he and Carbo sat down and talked hockey over a beer, Carbo would learn something. True. He could learn how to live on long term contracts after getting fired and how to get new ones. Quite the negotiator that Keenan guy. Hahahaha. That's hilarious. Those are the kind of comments I don't like from our coach. Blaming it on the NHL...! How about, "We lost because Toronto out-worked us like mad in the first period. By the third we were unable to muster any motivation or strength to mount even a tiny comeback. We took some bad penalties too. What it comes down to is that Toronto played better than us in 8 games this year. We were lucky not to lose them all." He's not blaming the NHL, he's pointing the rule where you can't send a veteran down for conditioning the way we used to be able to do, which in his opinion is a bad rule. I can't believe we're still on that decision on the chosen goalie in the last game last year as it's been debated to death, with all arguments pointed by both sides. I'd say it's about time to move on instead of re-opening the same can of worms as last year, or simply read the old Carbo thread or that game thread to see what everyone had to say about this... (not directed at you specifically Jennifer, just a generic comment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_fan1160 Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 I think if we miss the playoffs again this year Carbonneau's job is in serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Habby67 Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Dandenault on the 4th line? I know people will disagree with me but I would rather see Chips on that line. Like what the hell,are they obsessed with getting Dandy in the lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Dandenault on the 4th line? I know people will disagree with me but I would rather see Chips on that line. Like what the hell,are they obsessed with getting Dandy in the lineup? They have about 1.6 million reasons to be obsessed with Dandy in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I think Carbo is still delirious from his playing days, he is putting Bresbois on second line with Hammer. http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...75-67ad1d234791 Worked out pretty good didn't it. Maybe he is not so delirious ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Worked out pretty good didn't it. Maybe he is not so delirious ? I say yes it certainly did... both Brisebois and Dandenault played very well tonight... doing exactly what they were asked to do. Kudos Carbo on the win tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-1 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Seemed to me that Carbo tried to spread out minutes evenly amongst forwards. Lats played 9 minutes, Ryder played 12 ; Saku played 15, Smolinski 12 ; Kovalev 17 ; Higgins 15 ; Kostitsyn 13 ; Grabovski 11 ; Bégin 14 ; etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Seemed to me that Carbo tried to spread out minutes evenly amongst forwards. Lats played 9 minutes, Ryder played 12 ; Saku played 15, Smolinski 12 ; Kovalev 17 ; Higgins 15 ; Kostitsyn 13 ; Grabovski 11 ; Bégin 14 ; etc, etc.It was nice to see Carbo give Alex some extra time playing with Pleks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I say yes it certainly did... both Brisebois and Dandenault played very well tonight... doing exactly what they were asked to do. Kudos Carbo on the win tonight. ... and the players! Seemed to me that Carbo tried to spread out minutes evenly amongst forwards. Lats played 9 minutes, Ryder played 12 ; Saku played 15, Smolinski 12 ; Kovalev 17 ; Higgins 15 ; Kostitsyn 13 ; Grabovski 11 ; Bégin 14 ; etc, etc. Rotated four lines for the most part. When you have depth, you can do that successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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