Guest smoke Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nice to see carbs back in action, Yelling and then smiling at the refs for every penalty we have against us I dont know but that always makes my night seeing him explode on the refs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Memo Gonzales Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nice to see carbs back in action, Yelling and then smiling at the refs for every penalty we have against us I dont know but that always makes my night seeing him explode on the refs Yeah, that made me laugh a couple times yesterday. You just basically know that it will come everytime when a Hab gets penalised, but still it's quite funny time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hoyle00cdn Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 i never like agreeing with tsn analysts, but they did raise one very important point. Carbonneau has to learn to add a little more offense to his coaching strategy. Montreal will never attract a top tier forward on the off-season if the most offense they play is a 1-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J Haul Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Yeah, that made me laugh a couple times yesterday. You just basically know that it will come everytime when a Hab gets penalised, but still it's quite funny time after time. Yeah sure, its funny.... until we don't get any breaks because Carbo is always hassling them. Good for a laugh, but sometimes you just have to suck it up and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest caperns Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 i never like agreeing with tsn analysts, but they did raise one very important point. Carbonneau has to learn to add a little more offense to his coaching strategy. Montreal will never attract a top tier forward on the off-season if the most offense they play is a 1-4. I have always felt that way about Carbo. But if the thrid period was any indication of his coaching strategy, I think sit back and enjoy the rider. It was like the first two lines ..... especially the kovalev line were given the green light to be creative. Where the last two lines played a very good positional 1 - 4. I was actually impressed with the coaching strategy I seen last night. That may change next game though! It is a long season and I will hold more of my judgment for later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jzun00 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Well....we got a lot of shots last night, in fact we outshot the opposition - with the same amount of power plays, so that tells me something has changed for the better. I really liked the first two lines last night. I was surprised to see Smolinski on the fourth line though. BTW, good job last night Carbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 BTW, good job last night Carbo. I second that. Compared to last year, it seemed he already coached the team in other/different way. And yeah, like Smoke posted about him yelling and smiling, thats something he should never change I really like it when coaches (and players) are emotional involved, it shows they care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopII Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I think if we miss the playoffs again this year Carbonneau's job is in serious trouble. Possibly. I don't think we'll miss the playoffs though with what we have. We might not win the cup barring a huge trade for a franchise player, or Price turns out to be the second coming of Roy (unlikely), but we will probably squeek in 7th or 8th. Even if that isn't the case, I think Carbs' position is not that precarious. Gainey respects him, and Carbs is enough of a rookie coach that Gainey calls the shots (ex: He chose the roster) without much fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jennifer_rocket Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 After game one: -Carbo rolled the lines well. -Brisebois played well. -Dandenault played well on the 4th line. -Kovalev played well and was rewarded with time. Does anyone know what Carbo's demeanor behind the bench was like during game one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jennifer_rocket Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Yeah, that made me laugh a couple times yesterday. You just basically know that it will come everytime when a Hab gets penalised, but still it's quite funny time after time. Last year it seemed as if the camera crews were just waiting for a penalty to be called so they could pan to Carbo, who would then clearly say "F... off." I s'pose he's at it again this year? Good ol' Carbo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 If Carbo wants that second line to break out and start scoring, he's got to give them more ice time. There were long stretches during last night's game when we didn't see Kovalev-Grabovski-Kostitsyn because we were either killing off a penalty or on the power play. No offense to our fourth line, but I'd rather roll three lines evenly and use the fourth line for energy and to give the other guys a rest. Begin played more minutes than either Grabs or Kosts! Kovalev is one of those forwards who gets better the more minutes you give him, almost like a running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jzun00 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 If Carbo wants that second line to break out and start scoring, he's got to give them more ice time. There were long stretches during last night's game when we didn't see Kovalev-Grabovski-Kostitsyn because we were either killing off a penalty or on the power play. No offense to our fourth line, but I'd rather roll three lines evenly and use the fourth line for energy and to give the other guys a rest. Begin played more minutes than either Grabs or Kosts! Kovalev is one of those forwards who gets better the more minutes you give him, almost like a running back. I do agree with you here. Even in their limited role they still created a lot of chances and moved the puck well. That line could have easily produced 4 or 5 goals, had some luck went their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigger-1 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 If Carbo wants that second line to break out and start scoring, he's got to give them more ice time. There were long stretches during last night's game when we didn't see Kovalev-Grabovski-Kostitsyn because we were either killing off a penalty or on the power play. No offense to our fourth line, but I'd rather roll three lines evenly and use the fourth line for energy and to give the other guys a rest. Begin played more minutes than either Grabs or Kosts! Kovalev is one of those forwards who gets better the more minutes you give him, almost like a running back. Well, you can look at it both ways too though. If that second line wants more icetime they'll have to bury some chances. I'm not worried though. I thought they looked really good. Grabovsky is changing my opinion of him and I liked the way Kostistyn played last night too. They had chances and created offense, now they just have to seal the deal but that will come. We need to exhibit patience here with two rookies on our second line. I have a positive and a negative comment about Carbo based on last night's game. I really like the way he rolled 4 lines and the way the team worked defensively. Doing all the little extra things, blocking lanes, blocking shots, finishing hits, not giving up on plays (second efforts galore). If the Habs hope to compete this year they'll need to show that kind of defensive awareness each game. I thought the 4th line was absolutely fantastic last night. Kostopoulos and Begin make for a mean duo. Talk about having to keep your head up. What I didn't like was the dancing around and complaining for each call the refs made. I would like to see a more conservative reaction to calls he disagrees with. But maybe that's just Carbo and we'll have to live with it. Overall I have to say I am really happy with the way the Habs came out in this first game. I'll be honest, I thought they'd lose the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 What I didn't like was the dancing around and complaining for each call the refs made. I would like to see a more conservative reaction to calls he disagrees with. But maybe that's just Carbo and we'll have to live with it. He did seem a little more animated last night as usual. I blame part of that on some of the calls like the one against Streit and the one against Brisebois. Still it doesn't do anything for you to flip out at the ref's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Well, you can look at it both ways too though. If that second line wants more icetime they'll have to bury some chances. I'm not worried though. I thought they looked really good. Grabovsky is changing my opinion of him and I liked the way Kostistyn played last night too. They had chances and created offense, now they just have to seal the deal but that will come. We need to exhibit patience here with two rookies on our second line. Thing is, Jig, no one buried their chances last night at even strength. We scored all our goals on the first-unit PP, and neither Kostitsyn nor Grabovski is on that unit. On balance, the second line generated the most scoring chances 5-on-5 of all the lines. Sure, they couldn't finish, but neither could anyone else. So I don't think they're any less deserving of ice time. In fact, I'd argue they are the most deserving of increased ice time because they were the most consistently dangerous even-strength line. What I didn't like was the dancing around and complaining for each call the refs made. I would like to see a more conservative reaction to calls he disagrees with. But maybe that's just Carbo and we'll have to live with it. Agreed 100%. The constant overreactions, the sarcastic smiles, the chirping ... it's getting really old and it does nothing but antagonize the refs. There's a time and a place for blowing your top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Varrus Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Personally, I like an active coach behind the bench. If a coach just stands and accepts everything in stride, then it seems like he's not really paying attention and he's letting his assistants do all the work. I know that's not really the case but that's just the way it looks to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Personally, I like an active coach behind the bench. If a coach just stands and accepts everything in stride, then it seems like he's not really paying attention and he's letting his assistants do all the work. I know that's not really the case but that's just the way it looks to me.I think it could probably be beneficial for the coach to pick his spots (with a little less frequency)... but I to like a coach who will stick up for his team... but maybe in a little less animated way... As ar as the lines were concerned, they did surprise me the way things worked out... Like Weep, I would like to see the first three lines getting things started (though in the case of Kovy, he did get his icetime as far as I'm concerned. One thing... Smoke playing fourth line center??? I wonder if Begin could do that job? Dandenault impressed me with the way he went to the net and got involved in the action each shift. This may work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigger-1 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Thing is, Jig, no one buried their chances last night at even strength. We scored all our goals on the first-unit PP, and neither Kostitsyn nor Grabovski is on that unit. On balance, the second line generated the most scoring chances 5-on-5 of all the lines. Sure, they couldn't finish, but neither could anyone else. So I don't think they're any less deserving of ice time. In fact, I'd argue they are the most deserving of increased ice time because they were the most consistently dangerous even-strength line. Agreed 100%. The constant overreactions, the sarcastic smiles, the chirping ... it's getting really old and it does nothing but antagonize the refs. There's a time and a place for blowing your top. Good point about 5 on 5. Don't forget though that Kovy's line has two rookies on it. Albeit Kostistyn is looking less and less like a rookie but later in the game when you really need that defensive presence and experience on the ice in a close checking game like that it's somewhat normal that the "flashy" line (for lack of a better word) gets a bit less ice-time. I don't think it was a message or a punishement or anything. Could be wrong though. I think that line will come through though, and if we start burying those chances 5 on 5 (I'm thinking about Bouillon's chance, Koivu's chance early on, Kostistyn fanning on a shot with a wide open net etc), we'll be an OK team. Carbo has the right idea I think based on what I saw last night. It's up to the players to dot the I's, if you will. What I really like though is you can't really pinpoint someone for lack of work ethic last night. What we saw looked like a team. I'm far from getting excited just yet, but so far I like the defensive work ethic I saw. We were pesky, annoying, in the way, finishing hits. I really liked the energy out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kronix Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Personally, I like an active coach behind the bench. If a coach just stands and accepts everything in stride, then it seems like he's not really paying attention and he's letting his assistants do all the work. I know that's not really the case but that's just the way it looks to me. i agree i like the coach getting involved and teasing the refs mant hat what hockeys all abot i dont get these people saying he was too animated LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 i agree i like the coach getting involved and teasing the refs mant hat what hockeys all abot i dont get these people saying he was too animated LOLUnfortunately... coaches that mouth off too often can be treated like players who do the same... and in the end it can hurt a team. Refs want respect just as much as anyone else. Treat them the right way and things could go your way more often IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ryanrdt Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I have no idea what Carbo did just right now in OT?!? Why did he put those players? BOUILLION? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I have no idea what Carbo did just right now in OT?!? Why did he put those players? BOUILLION? Coach did what he thought was right... BG will know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ryanrdt Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Coach did what he thought was right... BG will know that. Yes and hopefully realizes that what coach Carbs thinks is right is wrong very often. Most of us know that was a bad line to put out there. Most of us would never have put it out there.... Good player doesn't always mean good coach. i never ever go on about players or coaches but we fired an awesome coach to make room for Guy and it is really bugging me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keith Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 i never ever go on about players or coaches but we fired an awesome coach to make room for Guy and it is really bugging me now. That's how I'm feeling. So how many games until he panics and breaks up the 3rd line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vegasrick Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 (thoughts following the loss to Toronto.....) We could be in trouble this season. I thought for sure Carbo was going to come back from last year with all his i's dotted and t's crossed.....in other words, have a much better playing system and a lot better idea of how to put lines together at crucial times. Ugh. Guess not. I can't see this going on for very long....not for the whole season, that's for sure. I can't even convince myself that maybe it's only one game, and all our problems will get corrected. Mistakes by the players is one thing, but the system they play is another. I'm not sure what our "system" is, or what it is supposed to look like, even when the problems do get corrected. Does Guy know? Are there hard and fast rules that are proven to be effective playing strategies that, no matter how hard he tries, he just can't get the boys to execute? Or is the system just lacking so much that even when it's played properly, it looks weak? Why are we so soft, if we have a "defensive" system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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