amp73 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Proper players ? Which are who ? The skilled , so called scorers should play the PP not the grinders , at least IMO It would also be nice if we had someone with a BIG slapshot on the point for the PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 ..........., we move the puck faster, we score more. Fine, e-mail the coach that suggestion , because it really looks like nothing has changed from last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Fine, e-mail the coach that suggestion , because it really looks like nothing has changed from last year I guess you forgot about the new uniforms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Fine, e-mail the coach that suggestion , because it really looks like nothing has changed from last year I am sure the coaching staff is well aware of it....we have guys who like to hold onto the puck too long.....or is it maybe the other guys are not getting into the right positions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I guess you forgot about the new uniforms For a team that is suppose to be one of the fastest we didn't look any faster , and these jerseys are suppose to make us go faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 The skilled , so called scorers should play the PP not the grinders , at least IMO It would also be nice if we had someone with a BIG slapshot on the point for the PP If the skilled so called scorers spend the PP on their butts, or avoiding the areas where they have to pay a price they are not going to score anyway. What choice is there ? Play the fourth line guys or go get players who will get it done !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 For a team that is suppose to be one of the fastest we didn't look any faster , and these jerseys are suppose to make us go faster Are we really supposed to be one of the fastest? Or is that just something the fanbase has in it's mind? I don't think I've heard any impartial "experts" say we're one of the fastest teams in the league. We've got some pretty quick guys, but we're not the Sabres of last season or anything. Also, there's a difference between guys who are fast skaters, and guys who can handle the puck and create plays at top speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Fine, e-mail the coach that suggestion , because it really looks like nothing has changed from last year then I can expect you will not be watching the rest of the season Regis since nothing has changed we already know the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 then I can expect you will not be watching the rest of the season Regis since nothing has changed we already know the outcome. Pretty much, since I don't have , nor did I purchase RDS It's the fan in me, yes I am a fan, have been for well over 35 + years, the keeps me coming back to watch them in the hopes that maybe I will see something in them that will make me change my predictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 One of the problems we have been seeing with the top line is when they have last change, the opposition plays their top line against ours. That is why Higgy plays on the top line. I am worried Kovy's sometimes risky play, and Ryder not being a defensive stalwart may not help the situation. Our only hope would be scoring a ton of goals from that line. BTW, the reason Begin and Kotsopoulos were on the PP was that our skilled players had a very tough time competing with the big Toronto Dmen. Unfortunately we don't don't have alot of players who have beef and skill !!! Either our skill players have to fight through the beating they are going to take or we are stuck playing the likes of Begin and Kotsopoulos on the PP. Its up to Guy Carbonneau to get our shutdown line (and Higgins and Plekanec can be a part of that) out against the teams top line... that is not a fault of the players. In any case I don't think your worries are that well grounded. Carbo could adjust his thinking only slightly and get better results IMO. A balanced team (offensive/defensive) does not necessarily mean you have to have balanced components on each line. If, for example, an opposing team trysd to key on and shutdown our top line of Kovalev-Koivu-Ryder, and our coach can get his match-up of our shutdown line against their top line... then it should create more space for the likes of Grabovski and Kostitsyn's talent against another line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Pretty much, since I don't have , nor did I purchase RDS then you should shell out the money for RDS because they have this ability tomake the game look better because I dodn't see as bad a game as some fans I will agree Carbonneau's choices at times are puzzling. Putting the 4th line of the PP was odd but since at the time they had the only even strength goal and were willing to pay the price to get close to the net I say it wasn't that bad of an idea. Unorthodox yes but still not that bad. When Kostistyn scored he, Grabovski and Kovalev seemed to get more ice time. Do what your asked and you will be rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB-15 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I really don't think Guy Carbonneau is the man to lead this team. I know its early. And I hope I regret saying this. But I just plain don't like his decision making abilities with respect to lines, PP units, etc. I don't think he is capable of motivating this team, and I feel bad for a lot of the youngsters, because I think they deserve better coaching. Just realised, Mods please move to Guy Carbonneau thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 we have some bright spots on this team but spreading them around as if we are a powerhouse is just poor strategy. Yes. Yes. YES. This is what I've been saying for almost a year now. We simply do not have the firepower to spread out our scoring talent over four lines. When we try this approach, we just dilute our scoring power because our scoring forwards play with players who can't maximize their productivity on the ice. Plekanec with a grinder and a kid? A $2 million centre on the fourth line with a converted d-man? A first-year player centering our two most talented forwards? And a top line that went a combined -65 last year and can only score goals on the power play? Bah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Yes. Yes. YES. This is what I've been saying for almost a year now. We simply do not have the firepower to spread out our scoring talent over four lines. When we try this approach, we just dilute our scoring power because our scoring forwards play with players who can't maximize their productivity on the ice. Plekanec with a grinder and a kid? A $2 million centre on the fourth line with a converted d-man? A first-year player centering our two most talented forwards? And a top line that went a combined -65 last year and can only score goals on the power play? Bah. All of this sounds kind of crazy... I agree. And yet there are some here who think we can have three scoring lines... doesn't compute as far as I'm concerned. I have no problem with re-evaluating the talent and coming up with two scoring lines and two half-decent checking lines if that's all we can do from the talent pool right now. That's why even though Lapierre didn't have the best t-camp he could still be effective in the line-up as a checking line winger/center for the 4th line IMO (I really hope Chipchura will be given a chance. I know the season is very, very young, but you would think new guys in town would be flying right out of the gates to establish their position on the team. To me, that has not happened with the likes of Kostopoulos nor Grabovski (who is in over his head at center IMO). We could still have Kovy playing with Koivu and Ryder on the first line and go with what seemed to have promise last season with Pleks playing with Higgins and Kostitsyn. But I really don't see a position available for Grabovski (and I think he is too small in any case) or Latendresse (just too slow from what I've seen so far in the first two games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 .......... But I really don't see a position available for Grabovski (and I think he is too small in any case) or Latendresse (just too slow from what I've seen so far in the first two games). Well brianw6 , those two are or were suppose to be a couple of our top young prospects that we are counting on . One the big power forward and the other the speed demon that Montreal is missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oatmeal777 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 They've only played 2 games, give them some time. Latendresse was really inconsistant last year, going for long stretches without a point, then he would get five goals in four games before he would sink into mediocrity for another ten. Inconsistant, but he could and can score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Plekanec with a grinder and a kid? Speaking of which, my prediction of minimum 60 points from Plekenek, I'd like to change that to maximum of 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HabsfanfromtheROCK Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 They've only played 2 games, give them some time. Latendresse was really inconsistant last year, going for long stretches without a point, then he would get five goals in four games before he would sink into mediocrity for another ten. Inconsistant, but he could and can score goals. Yeah i agree. And guys remember how long it took lats to get his 1st point /goal last year? Maybe we have to give grabs that time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB-15 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I 100% believe our management has really put this team in shambles, and now we're paying for it. First and foremost, our front office has undervalued some of our most important pieces. Bob Gainey couldnt even remember jaroslav halak's name when interviewed on CBC last night; what does that say about the impact he has madeon Gainey? What hasn't Halak done to deserve better? Gainey's head is in the clouds, and as much as I disagree with carbonneau's decision making skills, he at least wanted halak on the team which I agree with. We are getting burned by two people who aren't doing a good job managing the talent that we have. Forwards and goaltenders are going to waste. Who would've guessed at the end of last year that thomas plekanec would be on the third line and jaroslav halak wouldnt even be on the team. Bah, if we arent competitive by December, I'd be looking for a new GM and coach. I no longer feel this is a talent issue. This is a management issue and a coaching issue. If we had someone to motivate the troops and align them properly we'd be a much better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I 100% believe our management has really put this team in shambles, and now we're paying for it. First and foremost, our front office has undervalued some of our most important pieces. Bob Gainey couldnt even remember jaroslav halak's name when interviewed on CBC last night; what does that say about the impact he has madeon Gainey? What hasn't Halak done to deserve better? Gainey's head is in the clouds, and as much as I disagree with carbonneau's decision making skills, he at least wanted halak on the team which I agree with. We are getting burned by two people who aren't doing a good job managing the talent that we have. Forwards and goaltenders are going to waste. Who would've guessed at the end of last year that thomas plekanec would be on the third line and jaroslav halak wouldnt even be on the team. Bah, if we arent competitive by December, I'd be looking for a new GM and coach. I no longer feel this is a talent issue. This is a management issue and a coaching issue. If we had someone to motivate the troops and align them properly we'd be a much better team. You and Regis, you guys are not the only 2 and I am not picking on you, both predicted that the Leafs would pulverize us last night. The Leafs barely beat us, and I do mean barely, and now you want to hang everyone !!!! It is no wonder that others feel Habs fans are disconnected from reality !!! 2 games into the season, we get 3 out of 4 points....so it's time to blow it up !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-1 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 2 games into the season, we get 3 out of 4 points....so it's time to blow it up !!!! Yeah.. let's blow it up... after all, we are only on pace for 123 points, even if it is early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mustangpoirier4 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 he's doing a good job don't worry he'll bring back the cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 You and Regis, you guys are not the only 2 and I am not picking on you, both predicted that the Leafs would pulverize us last night. The Leafs barely beat us, and I do mean barely, and now you want to hang everyone !!!! It is no wonder that others feel Habs fans are disconnected from reality !!! 2 games into the season, we get 3 out of 4 points....so it's time to blow it up !!!! Miltie, with all due respect, we had a hot start last season too and wound up missing the playoffs. While I agree that it's probably too early to think about making wholesale changes, I think it's perfectly reasonable to be critical of the lines Carbonneau has chosen to go with, because they are not producing. My main beef is how we're (mis)using Plekanec. This guy was easily our best forward down the stretch last year, he was on fire during preseason, and we reward him with a demotion? We should be trying to squeeze every ounce of productivity from Plekanec. Instead, we're placing him in a situation where he'll have to manufacture points on his own, without much help from his linemates -- Latendresse is struggling and is too green to be consistently effective, while Kostopoulos is just a grinder without the hands or hockey sense to convert scoring chances into goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 They've only played 2 games, give them some time. Latendresse was really inconsistant last year, going for long stretches without a point, then he would get five goals in four games before he would sink into mediocrity for another ten. Inconsistant, but he could and can score goals.When it comes to Lats I'm not talking about lack of consistency or getting on the scoreboard (though both would be good to see), but rather in watching the speed of the last two games he appears to be a fair bit slower this year than the other players out there in terms of foot speed. As far as Grabovski is concerned I still feel he'd be better off playing the wing as it is easier to adjust to IMO. Now if the team was set up with two scoring lines (as suggested... Kovalev-Koivu-Ryder and Higgins-Plekanec- Kostitsyn) and Smolinski is to center line three which would be a checking line and either Chipchura or Lapierre centering the fourth as another checking line, then the players playing on those lines should be defensively responsible good checkers. The need IMO does not fit the M.O. of neither Latendresse nor Grabovski (one being too slow and the other a potential defensive liability and both being offensive types). Players like Begin, Dandenault, Kostopoulos, Murray, D'Agostini would be a better fit on the checking lines IMO. For example: Begin-Smolinski-Dandenault as the third, and Murray-Chipchura/Lapierre-Kostopoulos/D'Agostini on the fourth. Should an offensive player on the top two lines go down to injury, then fine... call up one of Grabs or Lats (whoever would be playing the best. Latendresse had success playing on the first and second lines last season as a substitue when Higgins was injured, but at this point the players suggested would be better at this time. Grabovski did sub a few games and was helpful in that respect too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 You and Regis, you guys are not the only 2 and I am not picking on you, both predicted that the Leafs would pulverize us last night. The Leafs barely beat us, and I do mean barely, and now you want to hang everyone !!!! It is no wonder that others feel Habs fans are disconnected from reality !!! 2 games into the season, we get 3 out of 4 points....so it's time to blow it up !!!! lol........I said Montreal would lose 4 - 1 ; they lost 4 -3 ..whatever they lost . I didn't think the Leafs would stink as much they have so far . It wasn't until Maurice re untied Poni ( sp ) and Sundin that things started to click for them As for the 3 out of 4 pts that comment reminds me of last year People happy that we're winning but not taking into HOW we are winning Both games went to OT , not exactly encouraging when you have to go to OT to get a point My apologies for my rant and that I cannot be as optimistic as yourself but the 1st game I get to see and I was not happy with what I saw . I see pretty much the same issues as last year. Team taking dumb penalties, running around with no sense of game plan . At least they didn't get outshot And it boggled my mind to see # 6 on the PP I know it's early and I truly hope that things improve Anyways this thread is about Carbo . I admired him as a player, one of the best defensive forwards ever but his coaching decisions are questionable IMO . Maybe it's the players he has to work with or the system he tries to get them to play . I don't know but they look lost out there last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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