Innis_Mor Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 re: the Sundin deal I am conjecturing the deal, if Sundin signs with the Habs, involves some players gong both ways, with Higgins definitely in the deal (he won't be keen being third line left wing): Something like Higgins, Begin and O'Byrne for Kubina (no-trade being waived as well). We'll see! I hope Sundin signs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 re: the Sundin deal I am conjecturing the deal, if Sundin signs with the Habs, involves some players gong both ways, with Higgins definitely in the deal (he won't be keen being third line left wing): Something like Higgins, Begin and O'Byrne for Kubina (no-trade being waived as well). We'll see! I hope Sundin signs! Kubina makes $5 million, which is more salary than what you have going the other way. How do we afford Kubina, Sundin, and Tanguay, and still re-sign Andrei Kostitsyn? For a specific period this summer, Kubina's NTC is not in effect. If by August he's still a Leaf, then it kicks in again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russianhabsfan Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 If Kaberle comes and Higgins goes, I'm still a happy fan, that will be a perfect replacement for Streit on the point and would give us a cup worthy top 4 D Just imagine: Markov-Komisarek Hamrlik-Kaberle *drools* p.s.: Sorry Higgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey151 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 No thanx!! I want higgins to be a lifer in Montreal it's his favorite team and he plays with more heart than half the people who play on this team. I really hope higgins stays!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 I don't think Higgins will be going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innis_Mor Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Kubina makes $5 million, which is more salary than what you have going the other way. How do we afford Kubina, Sundin, and Tanguay, and still re-sign Andrei Kostitsyn? For a specific period this summer, Kubina's NTC is not in effect. If by August he's still a Leaf, then it kicks in again. Thanks, Weep. I knew there was a problem with all three defensemen and their salaries. I just can't help thinking that there is more to this deal. maybe a bigger salary goes to Toronto, but who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Thanks, Weep. I knew there was a problem with all three defensemen and their salaries. I just can't help thinking that there is more to this deal. maybe a bigger salary goes to Toronto, but who? I agree that maybe there is a bigger deal about to go down than just Sundin. What that might be, though, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 I don't think Higgins will be going anywhere. Neither do I. I think Gainey wants to get him away from the top 2 lines, though. He was drafted as a two-way player, and plays well defensively. Having Higgins on our checking line with Lapierre, Chipchura, Kostopoulos, etc. would be amazing, and would give us three of the deepest lines in the NHL. I think Gainey wants to insulate his top two lines with serious scoring threats and get Higgins/Sergei into different roles for the time-being. Sergei will eventually carry the offensive load, but right now they can learn valuable information from veteran players like Tanguay (and maybe Sundin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 I could see him working well with Sk + Laps or chips 3 lines that could seriously score would be awsome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Habs Inside Out is reporting today that Higgins was part of the spring deal for Sundin, but not this time around. Higgins would be too much to give up for a short term player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Now I read Spector, and he thinks that Higgins will go to Toronto, if Montreal signs Sundin. He says it would be necessary to free up cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Now I read Spector, and he thinks that Higgins will go to Toronto, if Montreal signs Sundin. He says it would be necessary to free up cap space. I don't see why. Signing Sundin to an $8 million contract would put us at around $50.5 million with plenty of room to re-sign Andrei Kostitsyn and the rest of our RFAs. Worst comes to worst, we can buy out Dandenault so that his cap hit this year is only around $575,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I don't see why. Signing Sundin to an $8 million contract would put us at around $50.5 million with plenty of room to re-sign Andrei Kostitsyn and the rest of our RFAs. Worst comes to worst, we can buy out Dandenault so that his cap hit this year is only around $575,000. Spector mentions Kostitsyn's salary, among other resignings, as to why the Habs need to free up cap space. Also Gainey said he would not buy out Dandenault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innis_Mor Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I think it is Kaberle (certainly my preference!) or Kubina, with Higgins and other roster/prospects/picks going back to the Leafs. Higgins would definitely be part of any such deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshizzle Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I bought a Higgins Jersey, therefore he will stay. Grabovski will be gone, possibly with a pick like Valentenko or Weber and / or draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innis_Mor Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I bought a Higgins Jersey, therefore he will stay. Grabovski will be gone, possibly with a pick like Valentenko or Weber and / or draft pick And I bought a Grabovksi jersey!! (too funny!) If Kaberle ($4.25MM) is coming, then Higgins ($1.9MM) is going across for sure, and maybe Grabovski (RFA) and/or D'Agostini ($0.508MM) as well -- depends what TO is really seeking. A young Hab defenseman (or two) would definitely be in the deal: Carle? $0.685MM; O'Byrne? RFA; Gorge? RFA. Some of us might like it to be Bouillon ($1.875MM), but he is 33 and UFA in a year, so isn't in the Leafs cards -- they are after young-uns as they rebuild. Can't even rule out Plekanec ($1.8MM) -- Kaberle won't come cheap. (Now, as long as BG isn't forced to pick-up Tucker! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innis_Mor Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/mtl080622.html Various reports suggest the Habs offered forward Chris Higgins to Toronto in exchange for Sundin at the trade deadline. Speculation throughout the draft suggested the two sides have worked out the same deal, however sources tell TFP that may not be the case. Sundin, who has reportedly been offered a one-year, $7 million contract from the Leafs, could be shipped to the Canadiens in exchange for a second-round pick and prospect Mikhail Grabovski if a contract is worked out with Montreal. I contend both of these are in the ballpark -- Higgins and Grabovski (who I love), plus a young D prospect, are going across to bring Kaberle. He'll waive no trade and come if Sundin is agreeing to as well. Leafs wanted Higgins before; they still do. And Fletcher still wants to dump the old guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton-Bulldogs Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 IMO, There is no way we will trade Higgins. I just dont see it. A ton of people have him marked as our potential next captain. This kid grew up a Habs fan and has grown with the club. They would have to give up a hell of a lot more then the right to talk to a rental in Sundin and over rated Kaberle and his bad contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortwinkler Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 IMO, There is no way we will trade Higgins. I just dont see it. A ton of people have him marked as our potential next captain. This kid grew up a Habs fan and has grown with the club. They would have to give up a hell of a lot more then the right to talk to a rental in Sundin and over rated Kaberle and his bad contract. I'd hate to see him go. But I've seen crazier things in hockey than the Habs getting rid of Higgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton-Bulldogs Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Yeah I guess its wishfull thinking on my part but I just dont see the value in that type of trade considering we could sign Sundin after July 1 and I just dont think Kaberle would fill one of our pressing need right now for the price of his contract. I do however admire BG's aggressiveness to go after guys this off season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 If Higgy is going to be part of this whole Sundin thing...Sundin can stay where he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innis_Mor Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 IMO, There is no way we will trade Higgins. I just dont see it. A ton of people have him marked as our potential next captain. This kid grew up a Habs fan and has grown with the club. They would have to give up a hell of a lot more then the right to talk to a rental in Sundin and over rated Kaberle and his bad contract.Umpteen "unconfirmed" reports had Higgins as part of the package going to Atlanta for Hossa at the trade deadline, with Pittsburgh coming in and trumping Gainey with less than 10 minutes to go. With Tanguay on board, Higgins relative contribution value has just taken a hit. The Habs need a top D-man more at this point than they need Higgins as 3rd line left wing. If Higgy is going to be part of this whole Sundin thing...Sundin can stay where he is. Higgins wouldn't be going for Sundin (that's about a 2nd round pick). Higgins would be going as part of a package for Kaberle, who would waive NTC to follow Mats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey151 Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Umpteen "unconfirmed" reports had Higgins as part of the package going to Atlanta for Hossa at the trade deadline, with Pittsburgh coming in and trumping Gainey with less than 10 minutes to go. With Tanguay on board, Higgins relative contribution value has just taken a hit. The Habs need a top D-man more at this point than they need Higgins as 3rd line left wing. Higgins wouldn't be going for Sundin (that's about a 2nd round pick). Higgins would be going as part of a package for Kaberle, who would waive NTC to follow Mats. i some how doubt that bro!! Kaberle is the leafs best defence plus he's worht 4 million. i think ur bein a lil too optimistic. Cliff fletcher is a smart man and i can't see him getting rid of his best defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Umpteen "unconfirmed" reports had Higgins as part of the package going to Atlanta for Hossa at the trade deadline, with Pittsburgh coming in and trumping Gainey with less than 10 minutes to go. With Tanguay on board, Higgins relative contribution value has just taken a hit. The Habs need a top D-man more at this point than they need Higgins as 3rd line left wing. Higgins wouldn't be going for Sundin (that's about a 2nd round pick). Higgins would be going as part of a package for Kaberle, who would waive NTC to follow Mats. yeah ooops that is what I meant. They can keep those leaf infested players if Higgy is involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaya-_mtlc Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 In my opinion, Gainey only offered Higgins at the deadline because he had to. Many GMs inquired about him, and it would have taken nothing less than Higgy to score a star forward like Hossa or Sundin. Gainey was prepared to do that to have a strong Stanley Cup run. At this point, though, with UFAs and little to no trading involved in order to get them/their rights, there's no way Higgins is leaving. Unless Gainey sees a signed player he really really wants to trade for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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