risteenhuis Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Impressive first year in Montreal. Not a great series against the Flyers but most of his teammates are in the same boat. I think he will be paired with another rookie next season. He is so strong defensively that he can cover most of the rookie mistakes. I would be happy if he played with O'Byrne next season but suspect O'Byrne will be paired with another defenceman so Hammer can teach another rookie like Valentenko, Subban, Yemelin, Carle, or Weber how to play in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-1 Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 So, Hamrlik had family problems? Not an excuse for his play in the 2nd round but certainly could have been a factor. L'entraîneur tchèque Alois Hadamczik a indiqué qu'il n'allait pas faire appel à Hamrlik parce que celui-ci «continue d'avoir des problèmes d'ordre familial» qui font en sorte qu'il «ne pourra pas participer» http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080504...5128/CPSPORTS01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoDeGa Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 So, Hamrlik had family problems? Not an excuse for his play in the 2nd round but certainly could have been a factor. L'entraîneur tchèque Alois Hadamczik a indiqué qu'il n'allait pas faire appel à Hamrlik parce que celui-ci «continue d'avoir des problèmes d'ordre familial» qui font en sorte qu'il «ne pourra pas participer» http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080504...5128/CPSPORTS01 Oh wow thats definitely news. Bad break for the Habs in general. Little things like this add up for a team in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 So, Hamrlik had family problems? Not an excuse for his play in the 2nd round but certainly could have been a factor. L'entraîneur tchèque Alois Hadamczik a indiqué qu'il n'allait pas faire appel à Hamrlik parce que celui-ci «continue d'avoir des problèmes d'ordre familial» qui font en sorte qu'il «ne pourra pas participer» http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080504...5128/CPSPORTS01 Can someone translate? What sort of family problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-1 Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Can someone translate? What sort of family problems? It doesn't go into details but it said he has "family problems" which is going to cause him to skip the World Championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 I think Hamrlik was a pleasant surprise to most fans this year. I believe he signed a 4 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Yup 3 years left of Hammer Time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Quite glad this guy is locked up for a few more years -- his play has already justified his salary. And even when he's not out there laying the big hits, he seems like a great "silent" leader. Very steady defensively, and brings a sort of calming presence when he steps out on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Imagine how much more effective he'd be if we got him a legit top-four d-man to play with on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Obyrne is supposed to be a top 4 defenseman in the future and I'd imagine he will play with him next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Obyrne is supposed to be a top 4 defenseman in the future and I'd imagine he will play with him next year. That's what I am thinking, too. The apprenticeship will continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Imagine how much more effective he'd be if we got him a legit top-four d-man to play with on a regular basis. Yes, he always seems to be tutoring a young D man, or sometimes covering for a veteran D man who has had better days. This makes his performance even more amazing. I had not thought about what he would do if playing with a top four D man, but you are right that he would be all that much more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Yes, he always seems to be tutoring a young D man, or sometimes covering for a veteran D man who has had better days. This makes his performance even more amazing. I had not thought about what he would do if playing with a top four D man, but you are right that he would be all that much more effective. I guess I am also thinking of a team like Detroit that is busy setting the gold standard for how to put together Cup winners. And their top-four is rock solid with no rookies or unproven players: Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, and Stuart. If we are serious about Cup contention this coming season, we need to stop treating that 4th D spot like a rookie training ground and start trying to fill it with the best available player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I guess I am also thinking of a team like Detroit that is busy setting the gold standard for how to put together Cup winners. And their top-four is rock solid with no rookies or unproven players: Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, and Stuart. If we are serious about Cup contention this coming season, we need to stop treating that 4th D spot like a rookie training ground and start trying to fill it with the best available player. Exactly. Detroit has been a powerhouse for how many years straight now? Sometimes you may want to forgo a rookie and instead fill the spot with a capable veterren. (unless that rookie is like an Andrei Kostitsyn type). Instead of our turning our veterens into teachers, maybe we should get some staying power on the lines. Ship the Lattendresse types back to Hamilton. Look what happened when Hamrlik went down for a week. Our defense looked like poop. Just like when Komisarek went down, the physicalness wasnt there. Maybe we need to stack the deck a little, instead of hoping someone blossoms to become the next whomever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Sounds great except that there is already 10 million tied up in two defenseman. Komi will probably be getting a raise to 3 or 4 million at least soon. The Habs pressing need is to add a top six forward. That means it's unlikely that the Habs will add another 3 million + defenseman to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 56 million to blow on the team next year though. As the cap rises, we will have more $ to blow, And it will only make hammers salary look less and less over the upcomming years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 56 million to blow on the team next year though. As the cap rises, we will have more $ to blow, And it will only make hammers salary look less and less over the upcomming years Perhaps, but the Habs have the higher tax rate which will always be a problem. 5.5 million for Hammer is 3.5 million on another team with lower taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 5.5 million is still 5.5 million The thing about these rich guys is, they have ways around paying that much tax. Charities, donations, some sort of biz. Sure they could end up making more elsewhere, but if they have the right accountant, they can work some magic I wouldnt worry about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 5.5 million is still 5.5 million The thing about these rich guys is, they have ways around paying that much tax. Charities, donations, some sort of biz. Sure they could end up making more elsewhere, but if they have the right accountant, they can work some magic I wouldnt worry about them Not really because you have to overpay to get the guys to come to Montreal because of the tax just to equal the same amount of money they would recieve elsewhere and it still counts against the cap regardless of taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never213 Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Not really because you have to overpay to get the guys to come to Montreal because of the tax just to equal the same amount of money they would recieve elsewhere and it still counts against the cap regardless of taxes. You're overestimating the difference. Someone on these or some other hockey forums had made a colored chart showing what your net salary would be in each NHL city, and while it is a big difference it is far less than the 30% you propose. I'm not even sure Montreal is THE most taxed city to play in. When you think about it, it probably plays a far less important role in their decision making than other factors like team rep, roster, style of play, type of city, role they can fill in the team, etc. The fact that Montreal is partially a french-speaking city and the media won't get off your back is probably a much bigger turn-off than the slightly higher taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Perhaps, but the Habs have the higher tax rate which will always be a problem. 5.5 million for Hammer is 3.5 million on another team with lower taxes. So the Quebec tax rate is almost 50%???? Why would anyone live there? New York, for example, has: The national income tax (about 15%) State income tax New York City income tax So imagine playing for the Rangers (or knicks, Yankees, etc). This is one of the main reasons I left the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 So the Quebec tax rate is almost 50%???? Why would anyone live there? New York, for example, has: The national income tax (about 15%) State income tax New York City income tax So imagine playing for the Rangers (or knicks, Yankees, etc). This is one of the main reasons I left the state. It would seem the tax rate is up to 29% for federal taxes depending on how much money you are making. You also have tax for the province you live in. It ends up that the players are actually making about 1 or 2 million less then their actual salery indicates. This is why it's hard for BG to bring in any free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 It would seem the tax rate is up to 29% for federal taxes depending on how much money you are making. You also have tax for the province you live in. It ends up that the players are actually making about 1 or 2 million less then their actual salery indicates. This is why it's hard for BG to bring in any free agents. Thats insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Thats insane Actually, it's perfectly sane. It's the rest of the world that's insane. I wish every province and state made it a point to tax the rich heavily. They're exactly the people who SHOULD be taxed. And if it were the same everywhere, then it would cease to be a factor in where players signed, which would be good for us. That being said, the higher taxes are a reality here, and players are never going to stop being greedy, even though quibbling over millions seems crazy to me when you are already a millionaire (what exactly does that extra money allow you to do that you couldn't do before? buy a fifth luxury car? a third country-house? plastic surgery for your trophy wife AND your mistress? ). If given the option, obviously they'll elect to play where they retain more of their own money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I don't think it would be an issue giving players extra money except that it counts against the cap. I also feel sorry for some of the players on this team in that they are compared to other players in the NHL making the same or less money with better production, but the truth is Hammer and Markov somewhere else would be making 3 to 4 million. Kovalev and Koivu somewhere else would be making 3 - 3.5 million year. Montreal had to overpay to keep them here and match the equivalent salery they would get playing somewhere else. When taking into account someones salery on this team in comparison to a player on another team then subtract a million or two before comparing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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