Guest bigsby Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 anyone heard if he's playing tonight or not?! please put him in the lineup! please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greek Hab Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 anyone heard if he's playing tonight or not?! please put him in the lineup! please! Who do you want to sit? Grabovski - Who has gotten 2 points(1G 1A) in his last 3 games? Latendresse - Who played brilliantly last night...crash the net, made nice hits, and almost got a goal. Also, there would probably a political riot if Gui sat...lol. Kostopoulos - Who has gotten 3 assists in the last 3 games? Who is our sole enforcer! Chipchura - Who got a goal last night, and who has gotten 2 of the 3 goals that the 4th line has scored in the last 3 games. Begin - YEA RIGHT! Dandenault - Who has been providing excellent pressure(and is playing like he's possessed). Pleks - 2 goals last night. Higgins - YEA RIGHT! Smolinski - At 2-million, and he's a free-agent...you're going to have to go through Bob to sit Bryan. Ryder - At 2.9-million, probably the most likely to sit from what I've read on the boards today... Kovy - YEA RIGHT! Koivu - YEA RIGHT! I'm not directing this at you bigsby...it's for everyone to see what we would be sitting for Kostitsyn. There is no reason to sit anyone until we lose a game. Lol, Poor Huet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Banishing Blade Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 So, basically you want to reward a victorious whooping of the Canes, with a downgrade/failure to one of our players. "Good job guys, we totally played a solid game last night, and didn't go to overboard with our plays...ok due to that, someone has to sit." ??? You should know by now, that Guy doesn't sit players after a win, especially after a 7-4 win(with 5 goals in the first period). The team played one-third of the game. Are you going to attribute the victory to an overall sound game by the Canadiens? The first period was the only period they showed up to play in; the rest of the game was a real stinker. It's stupidity to sit out one of your top prospects because the team's on a roll. And Carbonneau's too unpredictable with regards to his line-up changes. If he treated everybody the same, Kostopoulos should've sat out numerous times, as he has more bad games than good at the beginning of the season. Your point by giving Gorges a chance to hit the ice, came after a OTLOSS, and a not so shabby performance by Patrice, when the leafs came back from our 3-1 lead in the game. So it's irrelevant to Kostitsyn's situation as of now because we have WON our last 3 games. What's your point? Brisebois was playing exceptionally well beforehand, while Bouillon was struggling... who was forced to sit? Leaving Kostitsyn out of the line up when he's supposed to be one of our next better players is complete madness, even if the team's winning. "simply because the team's on a roll isn't justified"...I'm still scratching my head at that sentence... ..."even though we are winning games, it's still not good enough." Regardless that the latter wasn't what I said, it still holds. If the Canadiens go on a five-game winning streak, we're expected to not play Kostitsyn? If we go on a ten-game winning streak, even then, we should bench him the entire time? Think about it; both Ryder and Smolinski are UFA's next year. If neither re-signs, and Kostitsyn still has minimal experience because of some philosophy like 'don't fix what's not broken,' what does it tell him? Like I said, Kostitsyn wasn't given the consistency the current line-up has; combined with the showing he had last season with consistent linemates, it's almost unfair to him. Until we lose a game, there is no reason to sit anyone, because there are no bad excuses to a win. Montreal was outhustled for two-thirds of the last game, and they couldn't get much going without the powerplay. No, I don't think it was a convincing win last game, and yes, I do think somebody should be benched or moved. People make it out to be like everyone's playing perfectly with this philosophy, when they aren't; yes, some lines have been good, but the entire team hasn't. The top line's struggled, and some of the d-men have looked ridiculous out there. You could easily manipulate the lines to fit Kostitsyn in. It almost seems like he's getting blamed for losing. I know that isn't the case, but what with everyone blinded by this 'winning team,' it truly does seem like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Banishing Blade Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Who do you want to sit? Grabovski - Who has gotten 2 points(1G 1A) in his last 3 games? Latendresse - Who played brilliantly last night...crash the net, made nice hits, and almost got a goal. Also, there would probably a political riot if Gui sat...lol. Kostopoulos - Who has gotten 3 assists in the last 3 games? Who is our sole enforcer! Chipchura - Who got a goal last night, and who has gotten 2 of the 3 goals that the 4th line has scored in the last 3 games. Begin - YEA RIGHT! Dandenault - Who has been providing excellent pressure(and is playing like he's possessed). Pleks - 2 goals last night. Higgins - YEA RIGHT! Smolinski - At 2-million, and he's a free-agent...you're going to have to go through Bob to sit Bryan. Ryder - At 2.9-million, probably the most likely to sit from what I've read on the boards today... Kovy - YEA RIGHT! Koivu - YEA RIGHT! I'm not directing this at you bigsby...it's for everyone to see what we would be sitting for Kostitsyn. There is no reason to sit anyone until we lose a game. Lol, Poor Huet. You're only looking at the short-term, which, if my memory serves correctly, hasn't benefited the Canadiens at all in the past... what, decade? Short-term fixes never helped anyone, short-term contracts prove nerve-racking at the season's end, and this short-term winning team isn't going to stay a winning team forever. With this short-term mentality, prospects get the short end of the stick, and suffer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Short term or not, If it aint broke dont fix it, Whens the last time we have scored 13 goals in 2 game? This is UNHEARD OF, being a habs fan, we have actually scored 13 goals in 2 games think about it, were a team that cant put the puck in the net, and all of a suddent we score 13 goals in 2 game!!!!!!!. Is this likely to continue, probably not, but seeing as it hasnt stopped yet, let the current line up play, we may get anoter 6 goals tonight. If not then you can think about changing it up.. I dont see him comming in,unless someone is hurt from last game/ sick/ tired If it aint broke dont fix it theory comes to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greek Hab Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 The team played one-third of the game. Are you going to attribute the victory to an overall sound game by the Canadiens? The first period was the only period they showed up to play in; the rest of the game was a real stinker. It's stupidity to sit out one of your top prospects because the team's on a roll. I attribute a victory, with our Habs scoring more goals than the opposition, and then being awarded a W in the outcome. It doesn't matter when we scored the goals...it's as long as we scored. And Carbonneau's too unpredictable with regards to his line-up changes. If he treated everybody the same, Kostopoulos should've sat out numerous times, as he has more bad games than good at the beginning of the season. Carbo is so unpredictable that he's kept the same lines for the past 3 games, O and we've won the last 3 games. God! Again with Kostopoulos...if you sit Kostopoulos, you will lose the game physically. Who is going to fight? "And blah blah blah, fighting doesn't win games," BUT it's still in the game. What's your point? Brisebois was playing exceptionally well beforehand, while Bouillon was struggling... who was forced to sit? Leaving Kostitsyn out of the line up when he's supposed to be one of our next better players is complete madness, even if the team's winning. Regardless that the latter wasn't what I said, it still holds. If the Canadiens go on a five-game winning streak, we're expected to not play Kostitsyn? If we go on a ten-game winning streak, even then, we should bench him the entire time? My point(s) is this... Breezer $700,000 Bouillon $1.875-million If a team is winning with a certain group of players(weather it be 3 or 5 or 10 or 82 games won) you stick with that group until some negative factor(aka a Loss) shows up. Think about it; both Ryder and Smolinski are UFA's next year. If neither re-signs, and Kostitsyn still has minimal experience because of some philosophy like 'don't fix what's not broken,' what does it tell him? Like I said, Kostitsyn wasn't given the consistency the current line-up has; combined with the showing he had last season with consistent linemates, it's almost unfair to him. People make it out to be like everyone's playing perfectly with this philosophy, when they aren't; yes, some lines have been good, but the entire team hasn't. The top line's struggled, and some of the d-men have looked ridiculous out there. You could easily manipulate the lines to fit Kostitsyn in. It almost seems like he's getting blamed for losing. I know that isn't the case, but what with everyone blinded by this 'winning team,' it truly does seem like it. Smokes isn't resigning. It is unfair for Kostitsyn to be sitting, but perhaps Andrei was the one who was slowing everyone down? Why hasn't that been addressed? Andrei was moved twice from the 2nd line(Kostitsyn - Grabovski - Kovalev) and (Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev) to the 3rd (Kostitsyn - Grabovski - Kostopoulos) in the 6 games that he played. With those 3 lines combos, Kosty has only gotten 1 goal(from the Toronto game) and nothing since the Ottawa game. Since Kostitsyn's departure everyone else has been getting more points(weather they be all in the 1st period or not) Kostopoulos in his 9 games was moved from the 3rd to the 4th, got a goal on the 3rd line from the Ottawa game, and has gotten 2 assists from the 4th. Improvment, no? And he's not even on a scoring line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greek Hab Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Edit: Kostopoulos got an assist from the Ottawa game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Greek Hab Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 You're only looking at the short-term, which, if my memory serves correctly, hasn't benefited the Canadiens at all in the past... what, decade? Short-term fixes never helped anyone, short-term contracts prove nerve-racking at the season's end, and this short-term winning team isn't going to stay a winning team forever. With this short-term mentality, prospects get the short end of the stick, and suffer for it. Well what do you want me to base my evidence on?! Last season's stats???????????????? And we're 9 games into the season, short term? How much short term can you get if 9 games is the maximum????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigsby Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Who do you want to sit? Grabovski - Who has gotten 2 points(1G 1A) in his last 3 games? Latendresse - Who played brilliantly last night...crash the net, made nice hits, and almost got a goal. Also, there would probably a political riot if Gui sat...lol. Kostopoulos - Who has gotten 3 assists in the last 3 games? Who is our sole enforcer! Chipchura - Who got a goal last night, and who has gotten 2 of the 3 goals that the 4th line has scored in the last 3 games. Begin - YEA RIGHT! Dandenault - Who has been providing excellent pressure(and is playing like he's possessed). Pleks - 2 goals last night. Higgins - YEA RIGHT! Smolinski - At 2-million, and he's a free-agent...you're going to have to go through Bob to sit Bryan. Ryder - At 2.9-million, probably the most likely to sit from what I've read on the boards today... Kovy - YEA RIGHT! Koivu - YEA RIGHT! I'm not directing this at you bigsby...it's for everyone to see what we would be sitting for Kostitsyn. There is no reason to sit anyone until we lose a game. Lol, Poor Huet. no problem, i'm open to the discussion. my response: generally speaking, i don't think we need an enforcer - with orpik in the lineup i'll make an exception and i'll give kostopolous credit for really picking up his game. but if you're asking, i would sit out (not punish mind you, if we're trying to make sure everyone gets equal shares of playing time) grabs, lats, kosto or dandenault without much hestitation to give this kid some room to play. lats has definitely picked up his game, no question and yes we're scoring goals right now, but come on...how many pluggers/twoway forwards does a team need?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Perezhiggins Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I'm not saying we should destabilize the entire line-up by doing a major shake-up. I just really think we should replace Ryder by Kostitsyn for the next few games and leave the rest of the line-up as its been. We've scored 17 goals in the past 3 games, and yet Ryder hasn't gotten ONE SINGLE POINT. This is our #1 RW? On top of it, during that 3 game stretch, he has only totaled for 3 shots. And for those watching the games, they weren't even quality shots; I think the game against Boston he had one good scoring chance but that's it. Give Kostitsyn a chance on the first line with Higgins and Koivu. He has sat long enough, and he has too much talent. I really think this line has the potential to dominate. Imagine we keep getting the same effort and contribution from lines 2-3-4 but now our top line is producing too. What a sight that would be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 It would be nice to see him on the first line. Actually if you think about it, You know he has great chemestry with Higgins, you know Anyone plays amazingly with Koivu, u know the kid has some skills, Would be very ineresting to see him on the first line. I was thinking of more to replace Ryder do to his poor play. But the KKH line MIGHT work magic. It would be worth a shot, maybe they can try it out in practice I doubt it will happen tonight, but if Ryder keeps it up. it could be something very interesting for the future.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheFly Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Kostitsyn in playing tonite according to rds, grabovski is benched, as well as Patrice Brisebois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 LoL, didnt see that one comming, Very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Actually didnt we play the lesser players last yr against the pens, For some reason i beleive our coaching staff beleives the pens are a weaker team, We put in all our rookies, Goalies and i beleive last time it was chips first game, That being said im glad he gets a chance to shine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigsby Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Kostitsyn in playing tonite according to rds, grabovski is benched, as well as Patrice Brisebois i hope they're right even if grabovski's played well. (gorges deserves his shot too, even if he was awful in his first game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Here is his shot, I hope he makes good. I am sure he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rosalie52 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 True, but it's about moderation. I wouldn't at this point do a complete shuffle of our lineup, but I would try to make a couple strategic insertions. You could get worse, yes, but that's a risk you take to get better. Because chances are, no matter how good we look, there is always a way to make things better. So what I'm saying, is not that we should shuffle everyone and do anything significant to try and get better at this point, but small changes shouldn't be avoided just because we're winning. I appreciate your Great Wisdom, Graeme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest St. B. Voyageur Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Kostitsyn in playing tonite according to rds, grabovski is benched, as well as Patrice Brisebois You know why Grabvoski is being benched, lazy play in his own zone which led to the 4th Carolina goal. Kostistyn better take note. People keep talking about this kid's potential. Potential only gets you so far in the NHL. Hard work and talent has got players such as Kesler, M. Richards, Getzlaf, and Perry, well ahead of Kostistyn when you are measuring the 2003 draft. I wish the kid well, but like Latendresse I don't think he should get the free pass based on what he could do. The performance speaks for itself, and frankly Kostistyn has to perform better. That said, good luck Andrei, tear it up tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesus Price Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 You know why Grabvoski is being benched, lazy play in his own zone which led to the 4th Carolina goal. Kostistyn better take note. People keep talking about this kid's potential. Potential only gets you so far in the NHL. Hard work and talent has got players such as Kesler, M. Richards, Getzlaf, and Perry, well ahead of Kostistyn when you are measuring the 2003 draft. I wish the kid well, but like Latendresse I don't think he should get the free pass based on what he could do. The performance speaks for itself, and frankly Kostistyn has to perform better. That said, good luck Andrei, tear it up tonight. your comparing kosti's "free pass" to gui? gui came here fresh out of junior at 18 years old and played the whole season with the big club, without even being benched once (until this year) and played sum veryy bad games.. kosti has been up and down for a couple years and has definately earned his shot...he played 6 games this year, and imo he didnt look bad at all..guys like getzlaf, kesler, richards, are being given chances to shine and they are doing so..every rookie is going to make his mistakes, but if he is being benched for 3/4 games for playing fairly decent hockey, then its got to hurt his comofrt level out there on the ice..i really hope #46 is in the lineup tonight with pleks and kovy..lets face it, gui is far to sloww to play with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest js2 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I really hope Carbonneau had a talk with him telling him what he did wrong to deserve the 3 games in the pressbox. I just don't want him having to second guess every move he makes now hoping he doesn't get put away again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miltie01 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I really hope Carbonneau had a talk with him telling him what he did wrong to deserve the 3 games in the pressbox. I just don't want him having to second guess every move he makes now hoping he doesn't get put away again. Any player who says he does not know why he has sat is probably not telling the truth !!! Kostitsyn knows what he must do to get and stay in the line up, and will have to do it if he wants to stay. I am sure you will see it tonight, the kid is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatethoseleafs Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Kostitsyn in playing tonite according to rds, grabovski is benched, as well as Patrice Brisebois Well we all know whats going to happen now,right??? Grabovski fans will be up in arms saying he should play. So maybe Lats sits the next one??? Ditto with the Lats fan's. GUYS lets be happy we have the depth to move these kids in and out of the lineup instead of constantly bickering as to who gets or deserves more ice time. We all have prefered players. As for me,,,,,if they are wearing our jersey im behind them and will gladly let the coaches deal with the headache of putting together a lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest halifax_habs Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Well we all know whats going to happen now,right??? Grabovski fans will be up in arms saying he should play. So maybe Lats sits the next one??? Ditto with the Lats fan's. GUYS lets be happy we have the depth to move these kids in and out of the lineup instead of constantly bickering as to who gets or deserves more ice time. We all have prefered players. As for me,,,,,if they are wearing our jersey im behind them and will gladly let the coaches deal with the headache of putting together a lineup. I totally agree with what you're saying. It's great that we have enough depth, and our guys are working hard enough, that we it's a difficult decision when someone has to sit. Kudos to Carbo for bringing Kostitsyn back in. Three games is rough to sit out but this shows that players will get their chances to come back into the lineup. Here's hoping he lights it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheFly Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I hope he stays in the lineup for more than a few games, I hope he's not rusty, hasnt played in 3 games, hopefully he'll play good enough to get a promotion back to the 2nd line where he belongs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Banishing Blade Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I attribute a victory, with our Habs scoring more goals than the opposition, and then being awarded a W in the outcome. It doesn't matter when we scored the goals...it's as long as we scored. This doesn't equate the team as playing well, because they didn't. Say you dominate a team throughout three periods, and the opposing team ties it with ~10 seconds left and then wins in a shootout. Does that mean we should change the line-up, because we lost? Compare this to when you score 5 first period goals, most on the powerplay, and the team plays like garbage the rest of the game, with almost no chemistry shown at all. We should keep the team together because they're winning? I don't buy that. Carbo is so unpredictable that he's kept the same lines for the past 3 games, O and we've won the last 3 games. God! Again with Kostopoulos...if you sit Kostopoulos, you will lose the game physically. Who is going to fight? "And blah blah blah, fighting doesn't win games," BUT it's still in the game. A three game sample isn't the same as an 82 game sample. That's common sense. We saw Carbonneau bump Lats up to the first line when others were more deserving, we saw him keep a struggling second line together almost a quarter of the season without doing anything, etc. The only aspect he's been predictable in is his stubbornness. He saw what happened last season when he left one struggling line in the line-up, despite the fact that we were winning; let's hope he learns from that. And with regards to Kostopoulos, he was a major non-factor in his first three-four games here, including physicality. We wouldn't have lost anything if he sat, because he wasn't bringing anything to begin with. My point(s) is this... Breezer $700,000 Bouillon $1.875-million If a team is winning with a certain group of players(weather it be 3 or 5 or 10 or 82 games won) you stick with that group until some negative factor(aka a Loss) shows up. I don't believe in that reasoning. If you take a look at the line-up, you can see some instability in the top three lines. Can Latendresse keep up with Plekanec and Kovalev? Will Ryder return to form? Can Higgins score consistently? Can Smolinski produce offensively? Can Dandenault or Grabovski flourish in a third line role? For the short-term, all these things are working out, but we don't know the long-term, and when you consider the players discussed, you can see there'll be problems in the future. If we just ride this line-up and wait for a loss to change it, then what if the change is for the worse, and what if sub-sequent changes are for the worse? All the while, Kostitsyn's sitting in the pressbox, twiddling his thumbs because of a flawed notion. No, I don't buy this philosophy. With regards to Bouillon and Brisebois, I don't think their contract-sizes matter that much. Brisebois will be making about 400k less than Bouillon if he hits his bonus; similarly, Carbo took a terrible-playing Kovalev and put him on the fourth line. Why would he then hesitate to bench a fifth or sixth d-man? Smokes isn't resigning. It is unfair for Kostitsyn to be sitting, but perhaps Andrei was the one who was slowing everyone down? Why hasn't that been addressed? Andrei was moved twice from the 2nd line(Kostitsyn - Grabovski - Kovalev) and (Kostitsyn - Plekanec - Kovalev) to the 3rd (Kostitsyn - Grabovski - Kostopoulos) in the 6 games that he played. With those 3 lines combos, Kosty has only gotten 1 goal(from the Toronto game) and nothing since the Ottawa game. Since Kostitsyn's departure everyone else has been getting more points(weather they be all in the 1st period or not) Kostopoulos in his 9 games was moved from the 3rd to the 4th, got a goal on the 3rd line from the Ottawa game, and has gotten 2 assists from the 4th. Improvment, no? And he's not even on a scoring line. Grabovski was terrible on the second line, as was evident by his benching. It had nothing to do with Kostitsyn, as Grabovski was just a non-factor (and it showed in his ice-time). With the switch to Plekanec, who was also struggling at the time, could anyone really expect Kostitsyn to play that well? Similarly, Kostitsyn only played about a game and a half with Plekanec, as he was bumped down in favor of Latendresse pretty quickly. He was subsequently benched, and got caught up in this unfortunate sequence of events. Kostitsyn was fine when he started the season, but slowed down during his fifth and sixth games. Not enough to warrant a benching. I don't understand the Kostopoulos reference. He's a fourth line player, so of course he's going to thrive if you put him in a fourth line role. Playing him on the third line puts some offensive responsibility on him, which is added pressure he doesn't need. If he can go out there and play his defensive game like he has, then goal-scoring is just a bonus for him. You can see it when he plays; whenever he gets an odd-man rush, he doesn't look as antsy and nervous as he did on the third line, because if he doesn't score, it doesn't matter. It mattered when he was on the third line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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