Guest js2 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Can someone fill me in where, didhe play in his last game in the pens? I dont remember what line he is on, Who was scratched in his place? Who is now going to be takin his place since he is scratch He was on the 3rd line with Smolinski and Dandenault. And it was Grabovski who was scratched for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 He comes in, plays a solid game, chips in with an assist ... and goes back to the bench. This is really starting to sound eerily familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevesaku Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 He comes in, plays a solid game, chips in with an assist ... and goes back to the bench. This is really starting to sound eerily familiar. im getting an alex perezhogin part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 im getting an alex perezhogin part 2 We're only 10 games in. I wouldn't read too much into this situation. Injuries are bound to happen and Kostitsyn will get his chance to shine. I have zero concerns at this point. Ask me at the mid-way point of the season and it might be different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest St. B. Voyageur Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm a little surprised that he is sitting out. His talent backed the defense in on the Dandenault goal(Dandenault did a heck of job to find the open ice though). I like him on this line because he can assume a bit of a Martin Havlat (circa Sens) role for us with his two linemates. I'm wondering how his play was in his zone against the Pens(I didn't watch but listened to the game). A. Kotstitsyn has a penchant for being strong on the puck, but lazy away from it. Was this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest js2 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm a little surprised that he is sitting out. His talent backed the defense in on the Dandenault goal(Dandenault did a heck of job to find the open ice though). I like him on this line because he can assume a bit of a Martin Havlat (circa Sens) role for us with his two linemates. I'm wondering how his play was in his zone against the Pens(I didn't watch but listened to the game). A. Kotstitsyn has a penchant for being strong on the puck, but lazy away from it. Was this case? He came back to help out the defence gain possession of the puck which is why I'm stumped as to why he's sitting tonight. He did everything that a guy on the 3rd line was is supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianMike Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 He comes in, plays a solid game, chips in with an assist ... and goes back to the bench. This is really starting to sound eerily familiar. agree. this is weird. I mean once Carbo put him back in (I think Kosts learned his lesson) I was sure he was good to stay in the lineup. I am happy Grabs gets to jump back into the lineup, but not if it means Kosts sits in the pressbox so soon after sitting 3. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigsby Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 how do we know he's been scratched? last i heard was that grabs practiced with smoke and dandy but does that automatically mean kostitsyn is out?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianMike Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 how do we know he's been scratched? last i heard was that grabs practiced with smoke and dandy but does that automatically mean kostitsyn is out?! not always 100%, but usually the lines at practice are the lines Carbo will use for the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brando Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 how do we know he's been scratched? last i heard was that grabs practiced with smoke and dandy but does that automatically mean kostitsyn is out?! I am hopeful that Carbo realizes Andrei can make a more positive contribution on Line 2 instead of Lats. Personally I like seeing both Grabovski and Kostitsyn in the line-up, as well as Chipchura. I don't know where Lats would best fit in the current line-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CanadianMike Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I am hopeful that Carbo realizes Andrei can make a more positive contribution on Line 2 instead of Lats. Personally I like seeing both Grabovski and Kostitsyn in the line-up, as well as Chipchura. I don't know where Lats would best fit in the current line-up. pressbox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigsby Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I am hopeful that Carbo realizes Andrei can make a more positive contribution on Line 2 instead of Lats. Personally I like seeing both Grabovski and Kostitsyn in the line-up, as well as Chipchura. I don't know where Lats would best fit in the current line-up. i can't say that lats hasn't picked up his game but i agree with you: let's get both kostitsyn and grabovski out there! (although for some reason i prefer kostitsyn to grabs and i'm not sure why. i think they're both strong on the puck but kosty seems stronger to me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest caperns Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 We're only 10 games in. I wouldn't read too much into this situation. Injuries are bound to happen and Kostitsyn will get his chance to shine. I have zero concerns at this point. Ask me at the mid-way point of the season and it might be different... I think I would read quite a bit into it. Carbo did the same thing with Perez. No matter how much he accomplished he did not get a fair shake. This is like deja vu. It frustrates me because a player like lats could sit on a third line and be invisible for 5 or six games but gets bumped up to help his game. I also don't think lats has done anything special where he could sit another game to get Kots some icetime. Either Carbo and the Habs are going to give this kid a fair shake at this level, an honest chance to play the game or not. If not trade the kid to another team where he will get some fair icetime. Becuase he will never accomplish anything from the pressbox. It would also not hurt to sit one of the vets for a game if they didn't want to sit lats.. Let them know its just for a breather its a long season and we need there body parts to be in good shape. For a good stretch run. And I don't believe in this were winning don't make any changes.... hack hack .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 The one thing I really hope is that Carbo is making an honest effort to communicate with Kostitsyn and let him know exactly what he needs to do to be a permanent part of the starting lineup. Andrei Kostitsyn is not English-Canadian or French-Canadian. He is from Belarus, and I don't believe his English is that good at this point in time. He is playing in a country that is worlds different from his own populated by players who mostly speak a language he is still trying to master. He probably relies on the other Russian-speaking players with better command of the English language to help him make sense of what's going on. In this kind of environment, a young player can very easily get frustrated if no one on the coaching staff goes the extra mile to make sure he knows what he has to do, what he has to avoid doing, and why he'll be watching certain games from the pressbox. This kid has incredible talent and we simply can't afford to misuse it and waste his potential through carelessness and lack of communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Godfather Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 The one thing I really hope is that Carbo is making an honest effort to communicate with Kostitsyn and let him know exactly what he needs to do to be a permanent part of the starting lineup. Andrei Kostitsyn is not English-Canadian or French-Canadian. He is from Belarus, and I don't believe his English is that good at this point in time. He is playing in a country that is worlds different from his own populated by players who mostly speak a language he is still trying to master. He probably relies on the other Russian-speaking players with better command of the English language to help him make sense of what's going on. In this kind of environment, a young player can very easily get frustrated if no one on the coaching staff goes the extra mile to make sure he knows what he has to do, what he has to avoid doing, and why he'll be watching certain games from the pressbox. This kid has incredible talent and we simply can't afford to misuse it and waste his potential through carelessness and lack of communication. I agree, when i see someone like latendresse in the line up and kostistyn being scratched again i start to wonder how is this possible, communication could be and issue but i think the coaching is being a little impatient and they have been known to be like that, this kid is amazing and if they were more patient with some of these players instead of insulting them by not giving them enough experiance they should stick them in the minors that way the talent isnt being wasted and they dont become "cold" for not playing a couple games because they dont understand the difference between a shot and a pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jennifer_rocket Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 The one thing I really hope is that Carbo is making an honest effort to communicate with Kostitsyn and let him know exactly what he needs to do to be a permanent part of the starting lineup. Andrei Kostitsyn is not English-Canadian or French-Canadian. He is from Belarus, and I don't believe his English is that good at this point in time. He is playing in a country that is worlds different from his own populated by players who mostly speak a language he is still trying to master. He probably relies on the other Russian-speaking players with better command of the English language to help him make sense of what's going on. In this kind of environment, a young player can very easily get frustrated if no one on the coaching staff goes the extra mile to make sure he knows what he has to do, what he has to avoid doing, and why he'll be watching certain games from the pressbox. This kid has incredible talent and we simply can't afford to misuse it and waste his potential through carelessness and lack of communication. I agree, when i see someone like latendresse in the line up and kostistyn being scratched again i start to wonder how is this possible, communication could be and issue but i think the coaching is being a little impatient and they have been known to be like that, this kid is amazing and if they were more patient with some of these players instead of insulting them by not giving them enough experiance they should stick them in the minors that way the talent isnt being wasted and they dont become "cold" for not playing a couple games because they dont understand the difference between a shot and a pass Both great posts. Perhaps Latendresse is in the lineup tonight, as he had marginal success against Atlanta last season. One final attempt to get him scoring consistently? Hopefully we see Kostitsyn get some action for the remaining three games of this homestand, or I will be very, very cranky. Kostitsyn is a more valuable asset to this team currently than Latendresse is, and I would very much like to see him developing those skills with playing time. Let's hope he's next game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesus Price Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 This whole Kostisyn situation is really becoming a joke. The fact he is scratched again after a good game is mind boggling. I dont know what Carbonneau was expecting out of him playing him on the 3rd line with 10 mins and no PP time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoke Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 In the interview i heard, (Posted in the Bouilon section) It seems like its him or grabs, its going to be one or the other not both. He said until one steps it up, it will be in and out every so often.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest js2 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 How exactly is he supposed to step it up with very limited ice-time? It's sad that he has to score a hat-trick on the 3rd line just to stay in the line-up for more than 1 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jeff33 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 this is the kind of thing that frustrates me about carbo, although this isnt the carbo thread so ill leave it at that. kostitsyn is supposed to be a top 6 fwd, as many have mentioned i dont know what hes expected to do in his 10 minutes playing with smolinski and kostopolous. now i realize latendresse is also "supposed" to be a top 6 fwd but its painfully obvious that hes not, so is the obvious thing ever going to happen? its clear his best chance in the NHl is as a checking forward, so put him on the checking line and tell him to hit hit hit, and if he scores, bonus. kostitsyn and grabovski are the skill guys, if they are going to make it its going to be using their skills with other skill guys in a top 6 role. its no good having this guy come in and be put on the wrong line. obvious, obvious stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think I would read quite a bit into it. Carbo did the same thing with Perez. No matter how much he accomplished he did not get a fair shake. This is like deja vu. It frustrates me because a player like lats could sit on a third line and be invisible for 5 or six games but gets bumped up to help his game. I also don't think lats has done anything special where he could sit another game to get Kots some icetime. Either Carbo and the Habs are going to give this kid a fair shake at this level, an honest chance to play the game or not. If not trade the kid to another team where he will get some fair icetime. Becuase he will never accomplish anything from the pressbox. It would also not hurt to sit one of the vets for a game if they didn't want to sit lats.. Let them know its just for a breather its a long season and we need there body parts to be in good shape. For a good stretch run. And I don't believe in this were winning don't make any changes.... hack hack .... Too early to press the panic button in my humble opinion, as we're only 10 games in and we have yet to get through tough injuries. He'll have his chance and when he does, he'll keep his spot in the line-up and force everyone's hand. I don't buy that Perezhogin comparison 10 games into the season, sorry. Ask again at mid-season and I may not say the same thing, but I think it's jumping the gun right at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jeff33 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 ill be honest, i started thinking about perezhogin too.....but JL is right its way too early to draw that comparison. i do hope carbo is going to use kostitsyn wisely though, this situation is already starting to worry me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyv Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 So with Kosty's contract up this summer, unless he gets consistent icetime VERY oon, i'll be willing to put money on him giving us the big "Cya Later" and going the same route Perezhogin. Too early or not, this is EXACTLY what happened with Perez, he was snuffed out by guys like Muray and Lapierre, despite his abilities and his experience. Losing Kostitsyn at the end of the season would be a massive blow, I would be so disapointed, extremely disapointed. Here we have Plekanec getting 9 points in his first full season, yet he plays 80 games, we have Higgins getting 38 points in his first season and he plays all year long, we have Latendresse getting 29 points in his first full season and he still got full time minutes and games. So why are they throwing in the towel on Kosty, why were those guys allowed to develop fully and properly despite low production and Kosty is not? Does no one else see how well Pleks is doing now? how important Higgins is to this team? You wouldn't know that they would be if you looked at their rookie season stats, but they are, because they were developed with patience. Kostitsyn is getting as much of a chance as Perezhogin did, and so is Grabovski, which also means they aren't getting a chance. All we are doing is making them feel worthless and unwanted, they have nothing to strive for here because no matter how well they play with the icetime they are given, they are being tossed back in the pressbox right after. It won't be long before they decide they want to go play somewhere they feel wanted, and that will be anywhere but here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jennifer_rocket Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I want Andrei back in the lineup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JIMVINNY Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 So with Kosty's contract up this summer, unless he gets consistent icetime VERY oon, i'll be willing to put money on him giving us the big "Cya Later" and going the same route Perezhogin. Too early or not, this is EXACTLY what happened with Perez, he was snuffed out by guys like Muray and Lapierre, despite his abilities and his experience. Losing Kostitsyn at the end of the season would be a massive blow, I would be so disapointed, extremely disapointed. Here we have Plekanec getting 9 points in his first full season, yet he plays 80 games, we have Higgins getting 38 points in his first season and he plays all year long, we have Latendresse getting 29 points in his first full season and he still got full time minutes and games. So why are they throwing in the towel on Kosty, why were those guys allowed to develop fully and properly despite low production and Kosty is not? Does no one else see how well Pleks is doing now? how important Higgins is to this team? You wouldn't know that they would be if you looked at their rookie season stats, but they are, because they were developed with patience. Kostitsyn is getting as much of a chance as Perezhogin did, and so is Grabovski, which also means they aren't getting a chance. All we are doing is making them feel worthless and unwanted, they have nothing to strive for here because no matter how well they play with the icetime they are given, they are being tossed back in the pressbox right after. It won't be long before they decide they want to go play somewhere they feel wanted, and that will be anywhere but here. I don't consider this to be like the perez situation because andrei has now been here for several years, i believe he has settled down with his girlfriend and child. see here. I don't think we have to worry about him getting frustrated and jumping ship quite as quickly as perez. He's got a bit more to walk away from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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