Johnny_rudeboy Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 overall not a bad deal, but 3.2 a year coming off just the one good season is a bit to much of a raise for me but hopefully he will justify it the talent is surely there I was thinking the same thing Onzeee; especially considering Plekanec was signed to a two year deal at $1.4M and $1.8M last year. Gainey must expect a lot more out of Andrei and maybe he had to consider the Russian Team offer too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Andrei's seem to be more of a goal-scoring forward than Plekanec. Not that Plekanec doesn't have a good shot, or anything, but Plekanec comes off more as the shifty playmaker, and Kostitsyn as a physically powerful goal-scorer. Kostitsyn's value is higher than Plekanec based on that potential alone, I think. I hope we keep both of them for a long, long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Andrei's seem to be more of a goal-scoring forward than Plekanec. Not that Plekanec doesn't have a good shot, or anything, but Plekanec comes off more as the shifty playmaker, and Kostitsyn as a physically powerful goal-scorer. Kostitsyn's value is higher than Plekanec based on that potential alone, I think. I hope we keep both of them for a long, long time! I think that a lot of people would disagree that Kostitsyn's value is higher than Plekanec's. Luckily we got Plekanec signed last year, because he would demand a very high price this year. He has proven himself on a consistent basis over the last year and a half. His on ice vision is one of the best on the team, if not the best. He plays regularly on the PP and PK. We should not be comparing their value because they are two great young talents, who should get even better. The Habs are very lucky to have both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenderjetta Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 I was thinking the same thing Onzeee; especially considering Plekanec was signed to a two year deal at $1.4M and $1.8M last year. Gainey must expect a lot more out of Andrei and maybe he had to consider the Russian Team offer too. If free agent signings are any indication Andrei's salary could be mostly due to inflation. Since he's an RFA the threat of an offer sheet also comes into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey151 Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 i would have signed him to the same deal i beleive it's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull12 Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Great to have the kid back! What a great deal for both parties...Hopefully after this contract is over we will be talking about a 30 goal scorer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I like the deal, but I'd have liked it a lot more if it had been for one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strutsboa Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I like the deal, but I'd have liked it a lot more if it had been for one more year. He becomes RFA when the contract expires, he would have been UFA if it was one year longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 He becomes RFA when the contract expires, he would have been UFA if it was one year longer. Ah, I didn't know that, thanks. Makes more sense now, though I would then have preferred a longer-term contract, something in the 5 to 7-year range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Na 5-7 yrs is crazy talk 2-4 yrs, Is plenty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Plus he wouldn't sign a 5-7 year deal at that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Plus he wouldn't sign a 5-7 year deal at that money. If he continues to produce at the same rate as last year, that $3.25 million will look like a very big bargain in 2010-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewmalay Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 He becomes RFA when the contract expires, he would have been UFA if it was one year longer. That makes the signing all the more better. If Andrei grows into his potential, when the current contract expires, we'll either resign him, match a bidder's contract, or at the very least get a bunch (four is the max I think and I expect the max from Mr, Andrei K in 3 years time) of 1st round drafts picks in return , which will make potential bidders wary of offering him such a huge contract. Whatever the case, the power is in Mr. Gainey's hand on whether or not Andrei stays a Canadien when his current contract expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-gt-go-habs-go Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 That makes the signing all the more better. If Andrei grows into his potential, when the current contract expires, we'll either resign him, match a bidder's contract, or at the very least get a bunch (four is the max I think and I expect the max from Mr, Andrei K in 3 years time) of 1st round drafts picks in return , which will make potential bidders wary of offering him such a huge contract. Whatever the case, the power is in Mr. Gainey's hand on whether or not Andrei stays a Canadien when his current contract expires. I for one hope andrei and his brother sergei are canadiens throughout their entire career...those 2 are players everyteam wants because they offer everything....they can skate,shoot,pass,play defense and also hit(sergei will throw some huuge hits this season MMW). those 2 along with price and possibly komi I would sign to very long contracts...10 years if they would except Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewmalay Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 those 2 along with price and possibly komi I would sign to very long contracts...10 years if they would except At this point in time you would like for those players to stay with the Canadiens but lots of things can happen in 3 years time. And those 10 year contracts are huge financial investments that can cripple a team for a very long time if the investment doesn't pan out. Out of all the players you named, I would only sign Komisarek to a 10 year contract. I'm as much a fan (or more) of the other 3 players but there is just too much risk involved for such long contracts. (sergei will throw some huuge hits this season MMW). And hopefully more dirty ones as well now that Laraque is on the team. IMO, Sergei's hit on Downie in junior was dirty, as was his hit on Krejci (knee to knee), Enstrom, ehhh, I'll give Sergei the benefit of the doubt but I loved all of them hits. I just wish Andrei would sometimes show more, as Carbonneau put it, dog like Sergei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Getting Andrei signed to a 7-year contract under $4 million would not be a risk at all, given today's market. This is where I feel Gainey is a bit too conservative with his contract terms. Sure, a long contract takes away flexibility, but it will likely give us great savings as the cap rises and player salaries get even more inflated. If Andrei performs well on his current contract, what on earth is his market price going to be in three years? We might have to pay through the nose, where we'd be saving money on a longer-term contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Not his style to sign long term contracts, and it makes alot of sense... This was the right move, and you need to give bg credit,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Getting Andrei signed to a 7-year contract under $4 million would not be a risk at all, given today's market. This is where I feel Gainey is a bit too conservative with his contract terms. Sure, a long contract takes away flexibility, but it will likely give us great savings as the cap rises and player salaries get even more inflated. If Andrei performs well on his current contract, what on earth is his market price going to be in three years? We might have to pay through the nose, where we'd be saving money on a longer-term contract. Perhaps! However, I'm sure in three years from now the trio of Koivu, Tanguay, and Kovalev may no longer be with the team, and paying the extra cash to re-up Kostitsyn probably won't be a huge issue. Assuming that in 2011-2012 Kostitsyn is a real leader and point getter for this club, I would have no problem giving him $6 million - $7 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 This was the right move, and you need to give bg credit,, No offense, but I won't give Gainey a ton of credit for doing something everyone (rightly) expected him to do. It's a GM's job to re-sign his team's talented young assets to reasonable contracts. Andrei wasn't playing hardball, his brother is already here, there was no reason for this contract signing to hit any snags. I don't know about you, but nobody wanders around giving me credit just for doing the job I'm paid to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 No offense, but I won't give Gainey a ton of credit for doing something everyone (rightly) expected him to do. It's a GM's job to re-sign his team's talented young assets to reasonable contracts. Andrei wasn't playing hardball, his brother is already here, there was no reason for this contract signing to hit any snags. I don't know about you, but nobody wanders around giving me credit just for doing the job I'm paid to do. Well, Weep. You must be underappreciated at your workplace and you should get a new job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssfffs Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 I expect a crazy season out of him. Andrei Kostitsyn 81GP 39G 41A 80P I he doesn't get that much i still wouldn't care. Hes young and hes exceeding his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 I expect a crazy season out of him. Andrei Kostitsyn 81GP 39G 41A 80P I he doesn't get that much i still wouldn't care. Hes young and hes exceeding his potential. Exceeding his potential with 53 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssfffs Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Exceeding his potential with 53 points? Did you expect him to be on the 1st line this season? Did you expect him to be on our #1PP? Did you think he would get 50points in the season? I sure didn't. I didn't expect much from him because this is his first complete NHL season. Potential includes (What he can do on the ice with or without the puck, getting points, and hits) I believe he surprised everyone this season and he can still exceed what he has done. He can be 100 point man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Did you expect him to be on the 1st line this season? Did you expect him to be on our #1PP? Did you think he would get 50points in the season? I sure didn't. I didn't expect much from him because this is his first complete NHL season. Potential includes (What he can do on the ice with or without the puck, getting points, and hits) I believe he surprised everyone this season and he can still exceed what he has done. He can be 100 point man. Saying "exceeding his potential" means the 53 points is the best he'll do.. ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull12 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 I expect a crazy season out of him. Andrei Kostitsyn 81GP 39G 41A 80P I he doesn't get that much i still wouldn't care. Hes young and hes exceeding his potential. If AK47 puts up those numbers I will be more than happy. I would take a 30G - 30A campaign from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.