Johnny_rudeboy Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 If he stays up then he'll be sitting out way too many games as our top 6 is already set which will only hinder his development. Exactly my thoughts. A year in the AHL and the probable departure of Dandenault and possibly Bouillion after the season will open up a roster spot for him or Carle to compete for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I think he could and should stay up. No offense , I have never seen this guy play but I seriously doubt he will make the big club this year There are too many more experienced players that he would have to outpeform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 from today's gazette carbo on weber: Carbonneau clearly is at least a little intrigued by Weber. "We like what he brought on the ice," he said. "He has a great vision. We lost a guy like Mark Streit last year, and Sheldon Souray two years ago, so we're always trying to find ways to get that power play going. "He's somebody we like at that position," Carbonneau said. "I'm not saying that he's going to be starting here, but if something happens down the line where our power play's struggling, we know he's there." he'd be stellar on the pp, no question, but he would be a defensive liability at even strength. as carbo says, it's nice to know he's there but there's no need to rush him, imho. o'byrne still struggles and he's further along in his development. as others have noted, it would be a disservice to weber to have him sitting on the bench or in the box when he could be getting top minutes and work on his defensive game in hamilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsFanInCalgary Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 from today's gazette carbo on weber: Carbonneau clearly is at least a little intrigued by Weber. "We like what he brought on the ice," he said. "He has a great vision. We lost a guy like Mark Streit last year, and Sheldon Souray two years ago, so we're always trying to find ways to get that power play going. "He's somebody we like at that position," Carbonneau said. "I'm not saying that he's going to be starting here, but if something happens down the line where our power play's struggling, we know he's there." he'd be stellar on the pp, no question, but he would be a defensive liability at even strength. as carbo says, it's nice to know he's there but there's no need to rush him, imho. o'byrne still struggles and he's further along in his development. as others have noted, it would be a disservice to weber to have him sitting on the bench or in the box when he could be getting top minutes and work on his defensive game in hamilton. I agree. No point in letting the guy watch from the press box if he could use the ice time in Hamilton. I believe O'Byrne will stay up, but most of the other young D-men should be sent down to keep 'honing' their skills. As Carbo said, the Habs know he's there and will call on him if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I also agree. he does not need to be rushed and will be better served completing a year in the AHL. Next year there will be three spots open of 7. Room for Carle, Webber, and other. Not sold on the Russian kid - he may need two more years. I know he was perhaps rated by many as the closest and most ready. Don't think so myself. Unless an in injury call up - he's best served getting lots of ice time with the Bulldogs. i think Pavel was alittle caught off guard by the speed up here, he will be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 he'd be stellar on the pp, no question, but he would be a defensive liability at even strength. as carbo says, it's nice to know he's there but there's no need to rush him, imho. o'byrne still struggles and he's further along in his development. as others have noted, it would be a disservice to weber to have him sitting on the bench or in the box when he could be getting top minutes and work on his defensive game in hamilton. Actually he is not as big a defensive liability as you may think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Actually he is not as big a defensive liability as you may think. fair enough, i did only see one game live but in that game he didn't look nhl ready to me, especially in our zone. o'byrne outplayed him in that department, imho. that's not to say i don't see his potential, i certainly do, but he's not strong enough yet. he gets another kick at the can tonight. let's see what he can do against an offensive powerhouse (without their top line) and not just the stunted panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 fair enough, i did only see one game live but in that game he didn't look nhl ready to me, especially in our zone. o'byrne outplayed him in that department, imho. that's not to say i don't see his potential, i certainly do, but he's not strong enough yet. he gets another kick at the can tonight. let's see what he can do against an offensive powerhouse (without their top line) and not just the stunted panthers. Hey Bigsby I am going by his play last year in the OHL season, playoffs and Memorial Cup. I too do not think he is NHL ready yet and think he would benefit by playing at least a year if not two in the AHL before graduating to the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 What if? Scores tonight on PP against the Red Wings. Basically who would we rather see on the roster. Dandenault or Weber? Montreal has Markov, Komi, Hammer, O'Byrne, Gorges, and Bouillon basically set as the top 6. Montreal also has Brisebois and Dandenault. I assume Brisebois is press box most nights. Why not trade, waive, or buyout Dandenault. As far as I can tell their is no upside to Dandenault on the roster. However a young PP specialist (sort of like Streit) but with a shot as fast as Souray and the real potential that Weber will be top 3 within 3 seasons wouldn't it be worth the risk. If the experiment fails Weber can go to AHL without clearing waivers and Brisebois tries his luck on the PP. And Montreal gets rid of Dandenault whom has no overall benefit to the team, IMHO. Leave Weber on the roster as 7th D. There are plenty of PP in the NHL and hopefully some situations when Montreal is leading by 3 or more goals when a rookie could get some shifts or when the other team is bottom of the barrel with no superstar to worry about (Toronto for example). Weber is better defensively then most people assume. Weber is 20 years old, not an 18 year old kid. With lots and lots of ice time with Kitchener Rangers and a great plus/minus there he must be better then expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 What if? Scores tonight on PP against the Red Wings. Basically who would we rather see on the roster. Dandenault or Weber? Dandenault, no competition. For an 8th defenseman, I'd much rather go with a guy whose career is almost over rather than a kid who has his whole career in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utreder Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 His shot is around 100 MPH, and it's pretty accurate judging from the games I saw him play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Dandenault, no competition. For an 8th defenseman, I'd much rather go with a guy whose career is almost over rather than a kid who has his whole career in front of him. Bingo. Waste of eligibility/money/development time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alzimutg Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 If Weber was deaf and took a slapshot in the the Bell Centre and he was the only one there, did the shot make a noise? Post of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Well take into account the fact that a puck will usually travel around the same acceleration rate no matter who shoots it, for exampls sake well use 40 MPH/second since I dont know the strandard rate. So if a puck the second after contact from shooter A is travelling at 80 MPH for 0.5 seconds it will be 100 MPH when it reaches the net. for shooter B after contact it starts at 85 MPH after 0.375 seconds it will be 100 MPH. It may not seem that big a difference, but anyone who watches baseball here knows the difference between a 90 and 93 MPH fastball. Problem with this theory... The only acceleration the puck experiences is the initial shot (theres no air or anything pushing the puck along, and unless the puck is falling off a cliff there is no extra energy to speed the puck up, if theres a mysterious force that i am not aware of im all ears)... The air/ice friction actually slows the puck down the longer the puck is still in motion... so a 100MPH shot could become 90MPH perhaps but the puck ends its acceleration the moment the puck leaves contact with the players stick... and i highly doubt any of us who played goalie for any amount of time can gauge the speed of a puck with our naked eye... therefore one of us could have two shots back to back, 80MPH and 90MPH and think they were the same speed... which would give the goalie a false train of thought thinking the second puck was "heavy" but at the same speed as the first... and pucks aren't bees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 I think we should open a "THE PHYSICS OF HOCKEY" thread if we want to continue this discussion. It would be fun arguing it out. Now whether Weber's shot is fast , hard, etc. etc. it will be famous in the future. Just needs a bit more accuracy, and once his nerves are not an issue, I am sure it will be. The kid is going to be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Let it be stated for the record that I am currently a business major and I failed physics in high school lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Half full / half empty. Habs Inside Out quotes BG as saying that Patches will start the season in Hamilton and indicates that Bouillon, Hammer, and Bouillon all have minor injuries. Weber is the top D prospect. So Weber starts the season in Montreal. My guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Wow. Is Weber really going to start the season in Montreal? I am so surprised, but also really excited to see what he can do in the regular season. With injuries to Hamrlik, Bouillon, and co. this is his opportunity to, as coach Carbonneau says, "Steal a spot." Go get 'em Weber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes1 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Hi there, is there any chance Y. Weber gets a one-way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Hi there, is there any chance Y. Weber gets a one-way? He has already signed the following entry level two way contract: 2008-09: $587,500 (Cap Hit: $875,000) ($287,500 performance bonuses) 2009-10: $612,500 (Cap Hit: $875,000) ($262,500 performance bonuses) 2010-11: $637,500 (Cap Hit: $875,000) ($237,500 performance bonuses) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopplig Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Another Swiss to the Hab's D ?? Im proud of it - especially as he is a native of Zurich... my hometown... Let's see if he makes the cut and stay at the Centre Bell; 11 D left at the moment; is that correct? Would already been great for Yannick if he would be called up during the season if not taking the place before.. Anyway - a reason for me to be visitor at the Hab's board again :-) beside the Isles-one... cheers and a good season for the Habs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Depending on the injuries to our dmen, it's possible he starts the season here. However, I feel we would have been better keeping Valentenko, who is a bit more experienced. Weber has great offensive instincts, but he really needs to go to the AHL to play top minutes so he can work on his defense. Let's not make the Latendresse mistake again, which is: we see an immediate need (in this case, a good PP pointman) so we rush the kid to the NHL, and his flaws don't improve like they may with top minutes in the minors. Weber's an exciting prospect, I've seen him play junior in Kitchener, but I don't want another Souray or Streit: that is, good on the powerplay, but a liability at even strength. He'll probably never be an amazing defensive defenseman, but a year in the AHL could do wonders. Pavel really struggled in camp thats why he was one of the first cuts, Weber has shown a ton more confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Pavel really struggled in camp thats why he was one of the first cuts, Weber has shown a ton more confidence I see, not promising for him in that case, I thought he was one of our most ready defensive prospects. So if that's the case, then what about Belle? I just don't think Weber should be our top defensive callup yet: he needs the AHL experience to fix up his defensive game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I see, not promising for him in that case, I thought he was one of our most ready defensive prospects. So if that's the case, then what about Belle? I just don't think Weber should be our top defensive callup yet: he needs the AHL experience to fix up his defensive game. I like what Weber brings to the PP and IMO Weber is learning quickly from his mistakes. However, Belle could be the most ready of the D in Hamilton given that Valentenko did not look very good at camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I've split all the slapshot stuff to the following topic in Beyond Hockey: http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=21355 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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