Calder Pick

[Guest gumper]

It's about 1/4 of the way through the season, so from their performance so far, who would you say will win the Calder Trophy (Best Player In Their First Year Of Play)?

EDIT: I'm adding links to NHL.com for stats per position.

JL.

Forwards stats

Defensemen stats

Goalies stats

[Guest hatethoseleafs]

It's about 1/4 of the way through the season, so from their performance so far, who would you say will win the Calder Trophy (Best Player In Their First Year Of Play)?

If Price ends up getting a lot more starts he might be in the running.

[Guest JL]

It's about 1/4 of the way through the season, so from their performance so far, who would you say will win the Calder Trophy (Best Player In Their First Year Of Play)?

EDIT: I'm adding links to NHL.com for stats per position.

JL.

Forwards stats

Defensemen stats

Goalies stats

As it stands right now, Kane and Toews are definately the leaders. If/when Price plays more, he should also be in the running.

[Guest CanadianMike]

yep 2 kids in Chicago that is for sure!

[Guest 1970 Habs]

Twenty two year old Enstrom at plus 4 and 8 points on a team with the second worst GAA is doing phenomenal.

[gracie12]

As of right this minute, Kane should get the nod. The kid is making chicago moderately interesting to watch again. Toews is good but is scoring less than kane - plus kane is almost a year younger. (9 months i think?) which doesnt seem like much, but considering the year of extra hockey toews has played...

Price, unfortunately, is not likely to get consideration. I just cant see him getting enough games under his belt to be considered - we'd basically need to trade huet in the next month or so & let price take over as starter - otherwise he'll be lucky to get 30-40 games & there's no way thats going to beat a guy like kane or toews who both look like they could hit point a game or better at the end of the season.

my 2c

[Guest habsfan#08]

Kane or Toews. Or Price. This award is all about hype.

[Guest spankydriscoll]

price won't come close -- even if he is a finalist.

kane is doing incredibly well with a team that suuuuucks and still manages to win games. i keep waiting to wake up one morning, open my blinds, and see pigs fly by. one of these days i tells ya!

[tmash]

As it stands right now, Kane and Toews are definately the leaders. If/when Price plays more, he should also be in the running.

Price may have a shot if Huet is traded in the next month. But that seems unlikely, and there is just no way he gets enough games in. I suppose 3rd is a remote possibility though ...

[Guest 1970 Habs]

I think if Price plays 30-35 games, his GAA and save percentage is in the top 10 then he could be in the running.

[tmash]

I think if Price plays 30-35 games, his GAA and save percentage is in the top 10 then he could be in the running.

I'd say that's highly unlikely. If there are 2 solid forwards to compete against, he needs to play at least "starter" minutes, as in 60+ games. He could come in 3rd with those numbers, but not be "in the running" as in close to winning.

[Guest JL]

I'd say that's highly unlikely. If there are 2 solid forwards to compete against, he needs to play at least "starter" minutes, as in 60+ games. He could come in 3rd with those numbers, but not be "in the running" as in close to winning.

Not if both forwards are on the same team though... they could very well end up splitting their votes.

[Guest Keith]

price won't come close -- even if he is a finalist.

kane is doing incredibly well with a team that suuuuucks and still manages to win games. i keep waiting to wake up one morning, open my blinds, and see pigs fly by. one of these days i tells ya!

Sucks? Hardly, they're a decent squad, give them a few years when 6 million won't be wasted on Havlat(injury-wise, skills are there), and they can round out their defense, and then they'll be a great squad.

I'd say Toews, he does have 2 less games played at this point, and he's managing the hardest position in sports at the top level.

[tmash]

Not if both forwards are on the same team though... they could very well end up splitting their votes.

What difference is there if they're on the same team? Statistically only 3.3% of the voters should be fans of that one team, so not much of a vote to split. Everyone else will just look at who is the better player, so being on the same team shouldn't "split" the vote.

[Guest TheHammer]

Kane or Price.That's if Price get's enough start's.The voter's also might not want to pick a goalie after Raycroft tanking after he won.

[Guest JL]

What difference is there if they're on the same team? Statistically only 3.3% of the voters should be fans of that one team, so not much of a vote to split. Everyone else will just look at who is the better player, so being on the same team shouldn't "split" the vote.

I'm not sure what you mean with the percentage of voters being fans, as fans don't vote for this award.

The Calder Memorial Trophy is an annual award given to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League. The winner is selected in a poll of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association at the end of the regular season.

http://www.nhl.com/trophies/calder.html

But what I'm saying is that if there are two players from the same team, writers could easily split their votes between the two players, especially writers from around that city, which could very well open the door to the third player in nomination, not matter who he is.

[tmash]

I'm not sure what you mean with the percentage of voters being fans, as fans don't vote for this award.

I didn't realize writers or anyone else (GM's, etc.) were completely unbiased? As far as I could guess, these writers are fans of some team. That was all I was referring to by "fans".

But what I'm saying is that if there are two players from the same team, writers could easily split their votes between the two players, especially writers from around that city, which could very well open the door to the third player in nomination, not matter who he is.

For writers who are fans of that team, yes. But unless they're only using Chicago writers or something, that will account for less than 5%, hardly enough to influence the vote. That said, it will be better for Price if there are two great forwards in order to split the vote, but it really has nothing to do with them being on the same team - the vote could be split regardless.

[Guest JL]

I didn't realize writers or anyone else (GM's, etc.) were completely unbiased? As far as I could guess, these writers are fans of some team. That was all I was referring to by "fans".

For writers who are fans of that team, yes. But unless they're only using Chicago writers or something, that will account for less than 5%, hardly enough to influence the vote. That said, it will be better for Price if there are two great forwards in order to split the vote, but it really has nothing to do with them being on the same team - the vote could be split regardless.

I'm still not sure how you came out with your percentages... Regardless, my point is that the votes between two forwards, especially from the same team, could be split between the two because some will argue that one benefited from the other. On different teams, it's more of a clean cut as they'll look at the teams they're playing for as a deciding factor, therefore potentially giving an edge to the third player in, especially if he's a goaltender or defenseman, where it's harder to compare statistically. That's all.

[Guest patrickroycareyprice]

I'm still not sure how you came out with your percentages... Regardless, my point is that the votes between two forwards, especially from the same team, could be split between the two because some will argue that one benefited from the other. On different teams, it's more of a clean cut as they'll look at the teams they're playing for as a deciding factor, therefore potentially giving an edge to the third player in, especially if he's a goaltender or defenseman, where it's harder to compare statistically. That's all.

Very true , plus carey price is the best rookie goaltender in the NHL right now.

Carey Price= Best rookie goalie

Patrick Kane= Most point rookie

Jonathan Toews= Most goals rookie

[tmash]

I'm still not sure how you came out with your percentages...

I'm just saying that statistically, withou8t looking at more in depth info (where writers come from, etc.) - the chances of one being a Chicago fan is about 1/30. I guess you could add in people who are minor fans of one team or something, but my point is generally the people who will be biased towards a Chicago player are low.

Regardless, my point is that the votes between two forwards, especially from the same team, could be split between the two because some will argue that one benefited from the other On different teams, it's more of a clean cut as they'll look at the teams they're playing for as a deciding factor, therefore potentially giving an edge to the third player in, especially if he's a goaltender or defenseman, where it's harder to compare statistically. That's all.

I really don't see it being split because they are on the same team, with the exception of those biased towards that team. Even though people will say one benefited from the other, on other teams people could just say "____ benefited from playing with Ovechkin" - even if Ovechkin is not up for the running. Considering no two players will be in the same position, there's no scientific way to see who's better.

But you are right they could split the vote if both end up very similar. However, I have a feeling there will be one clear cut winner. But if they do come out close, then yes they could split the vote. However, since I think almost all voters will vote for one of the two, that still doesn't help Price much, because either one will still likely have enough to beat him. Price would need about 1/3 of the vote absolute minimum, regardless of how the other two is split, to have a chance, and I just don't see him getting that.

[Guest JL]

However, since I think almost all voters will vote for one of the two, that still doesn't help Price much, because either one will still likely have enough to beat him. Price would need about 1/3 of the vote absolute minimum, regardless of how the other two is split, to have a chance, and I just don't see him getting that.

I wasn't talking about Price specifically, I'm saying any third rookie, especially if they play defense or goalie where it's harder to compare stats.

[tmash]

I wasn't talking about Price specifically, I'm saying any third rookie, especially if they play defense or goalie where it's harder to compare stats.

In that case, yes, it will help if you have two strong forwards (even if from different teams) to split up the "forward" vote. Because, as with the Hart, it is very tough to compare forwards, defensemen, and goaltenders.

Specific to Price, if he can play 50 or 60 games, then I'll say he may have a shot.

[Guest jennifer_rocket]

Patrick Kane!

[Guest 1970 Habs]

In that case, yes, it will help if you have two strong forwards (even if from different teams) to split up the "forward" vote. Because, as with the Hart, it is very tough to compare forwards, defensemen, and goaltenders.

Specific to Price, if he can play 50 or 60 games, then I'll say he may have a shot.

To be honest I do not think it will happen given that the team has Huet.

Hall of Famer Patrick Roy did not play 50+ games in a season until his fifth season (1989/90).

It was not until he the last four years with the Habs and his tenue in Colorado that he played 60+ games.

Did some research though. Of the last 4 goalies to win the Calder Cup Barasso was the only one to play under 50 games (he played 42).

I will have to agree with you that if he does not get the #1 job and play 50+ games then he will not be in the running.

[tmash]

To be honest I do not think it will happen given that the team has Huet.

Hall of Famer Patrick Roy did not play 50+ games in a season until his fifth season (1989/90).

It was not until he the last four years with the Habs and his tenue in Colorado that he played 60+ games.

Did some research though. Of the last 4 goalies to win the Calder Cup Barasso was the only one to play under 50 games (he played 42).

I will have to agree with you that if he does not get the #1 job and play 50+ games then he will not be in the running.

I should have emphasized "if" - I agree with you that it is unlikely - which is also why I think a Calder win is quite unlikely - especially for a moderately strong rookie class (not as strong as Ovechkin vs Crosby, but also not as weak as Raycroft vs Ryder)

That surprised me about Roy though ...