Guest Asterix9 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Jacques Demers who is in Atlanta at the All-star game this weekend, wrote in Le Journal de Montreal that many players, coaches and GMs think that Guy Carbonneau is the early favorite to win the coach of the year. At the all-star break, who are the early candidates for the Jack Adams trophy, award give to the best coach in the NHL? I've compiled some stats showing the number of points the team has so far, how many points they should get if they keep on the same pace, the amount of points the team had last season and the differential in comparison to last year. Name Points so far On pace Last year's total Difference Mike Babcock (DET) ~ 78 ~ 125 ~ 113 ~ +12 John Paddock (OTT) ~ 66 ~ 108 ~ 105 ~ +3 Ron Wilson (SJS) ~ 61 ~ 102 ~ 107 ~ -5 Dave Tippett (DAL) ~ 61 ~ 94 ~ 107 ~ -13 Guy Carbonneau (MTL) ~ 60 ~ 100 ~ 90 ~ +10 Randy Carlyle (ANA) ~ 60 ~ 93 ~ 110 ~ -17 John Stevens (PHI) ~ 59 ~ 101 ~ 56 ~ +45 Brent Sutter (NJD) ~ 59 ~ 99 ~ 107 ~ -8 Jacques Lemaire (MIN) ~ 59 ~ 97 ~ 104 ~ -7 Michel Therrien (PIT) ~ 58 ~ 97 ~ 105 ~ -8 Mike Keenan (CAL) ~ 58 ~ 95 ~ 96 ~ -1 Alain Vigneault (VAN) ~ 57 ~ 93 ~ 105 ~ -12 Joel Quenneville (COL) ~ 56 ~ 92 ~ 95 ~ -3 Ken Hitchcock (CBJ) ~ 56 ~ 90 ~ 73 ~ +17 Claude Julien (BOS) ~ 55 ~ 92 ~ 76 ~ +16 Barry Trotz (NAS) ~ 55 ~ 90 ~ 110 ~ -20 Wayne Gretzky (PHX) ~ 54 ~ 90 ~ 67 ~ +23 My early nominees would be Babcock (DET), Stevens (PHI) and Carbonneau (MTL). If Columbus and/or Pheonix makes the playoffs, Hitchcock and Gretzky could be in the nominees. My early winner is John Stevens in Philadelphia with a +45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 If Washington makes the PO's Bruce Boudreau should get consideration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 If Washington makes the PO's Bruce Boudreau should get consideration Agreed, he's done an amazing job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FunkyOne Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Agreed, he's done an amazing job. Ovy's done an amazing job.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lafleurfan2 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Tom Renny the Rangers are going to comeback in the second half you have to give consideration to there coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesus Price Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Ovy's done an amazing job.. Ovy has been good, but to not give credit to Bruce is ridiuclous. Check out the stats from before Bruce and after Bruce. I agree Budreau for the Jack Adams as long as they mak the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest powerplay2009 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 i think guy, babcock, and ottwa'a coach are the 3 early contestents. it would take a miracle for anyone else to win it. if the canadiens pass ottawa and win the confrence(all we need to do is get a normal home record and stay consistent on the road), then guy got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest patrickroycareyprice Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Guy Carbonneau Wayne Gretzky Both coaches are doing with good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesus Price Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 i think guy, babcock, and ottwa'a coach are the 3 early contestents. it would take a miracle for anyone else to win it. if the canadiens pass ottawa and win the confrence(all we need to do is get a normal home record and stay consistent on the road), then guy got it. I highly doubt Paddock will win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Babcock has a good shot considering how Detroit is blowing everyone out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Babcock has a good shot considering how Detroit is blowing everyone out of the water. true enough but when you have a stacked team or a team that uses a system anyone can buy into it's not hard to win I have to agree with the others if Boudreau and the caps make it to the first round of the playoffs he will probably get it. In the last game against the Caps they showed what the Caps record was since he took over BUT if we can go deep (2nd - 3rd round) I think Guy will be given a serious look for the award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 BUT if we can go deep (2nd - 3rd round) I think Guy will be given a serious look for the award. I'm pretty sure the voting is done after the regular season and before the playoffs so that the playoffs aren't taken into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 true enough but when you have a stacked team or a team that uses a system anyone can buy into it's not hard to win Chicken and egg though ... Datsyuk and Zetterberg both broke out the year Babcock took over. A coach obviously needs to be given good parts to work with, but given those parts a coach can make all the difference in if they perform or don't. Any team needs good coaching. Also, remember the pre lockout Rangers teams, they were stacked and missed the playoffs. Also I wouldn't consider Detroit all that stacked. They have those two very good forwards, a great defensman, and a good defensman (similar to Markov). After that, they are a solid team, but I wouldn't say stacked. I think what you're given plays a role, for example, Bodreau coming in 8th may win over Paddock coming in first, but for Detroit to be as far ahead in the standings as they are, in what's generally considered the tougher conference, he has to be considered I have to agree with the others if Boudreau and the caps make it to the first round of the playoffs he will probably get it. In the last game against the Caps they showed what the Caps record was since he took over BUT if we can go deep (2nd - 3rd round) I think Guy will be given a serious look for the award. Boudreau could be a good choice if he makes the playoffs. Carbonneau is a decent choice now, but I really think we need to overcome Ottawa and get 1st in the conference (which is becoming slightly realistic) for me to consider it a really good shot. However, I don't think playoffs count in coach of the year voting, I believe it's like the other awards, they vote after the regular season, release the top 3 as "nominees" - although this is taking some liberties with the word, and then release the results after the playoffs. I could be wrong, but that's what I believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Asterix9 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Carbonneau is a decent choice now, but I really think we need to overcome Ottawa and get 1st in the conference (which is becoming slightly realistic) for me to consider it a really good shot. That's a huge commend (perhaps even a bit unrealistic) to go from not making the playoffs to winning the conference though. I think that he'll get considerations regardless if they pass Ottawa or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 However, I don't think playoffs count in coach of the year voting, I believe it's like the other awards, they vote after the regular season, release the top 3 as "nominees" - although this is taking some liberties with the word, and then release the results after the playoffs. I could be wrong, but that's what I believed. yeah thats what the guy above you says for some reason I always thought it was done after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 That's a huge commend (perhaps even a bit unrealistic) to go from not making the playoffs to winning the conference though. I think that he'll get considerations regardless if they pass Ottawa or not. Right, but a huge commend may be what's needed when you look at the competition. Taking Washington from nothing even this season to possibly in the playoffs (we'll see) is also huge, and Detroit is just having such an amazing season, I think it will take something special for Carbonneau to win it. I'm not saying he can't win it, but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it unless he can make us win the conference - which very well could happen - we're only 3 points out now that we've played the same number of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I'm pretty sure the voting is done after the regular season and before the playoffs so that the playoffs aren't taken into consideration. you are correct Voting for all Trophy's is completed before the PO's exceept for the Conn Smythe of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 That's a huge commend (perhaps even a bit unrealistic) to go from not making the playoffs to winning the conference though. I think that he'll get considerations regardless if they pass Ottawa or not. Also just one thing I wanted to add. Carbonneau took over a playoff team, not a team that was out of the playoffs. Since the trophy isn't for "most improved coach", you kind of have to look at where he took the team, otherwise it would be in the coaches best interest to purposely tank a season and then try and do really well the next season - in other words, Carbo shouldn't get extra credit because he took us out of the playoffs his first year coaching here. In the end, say we land in 4th spot, he took us from a 7th or 8th place team (I forget where we landed) to a 4th place team in 2 seasons - which I'm just not sure is enough to beat the other guys. But if he could take us from barely making the playoffs to first in the conference in 2 seasons, that is a huge accomplishment and I'd have to call him the frontrunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Asterix9 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 ...otherwise it would be in the coaches best interest to purposely tank a season and then try and do really well the next season... Would it? It seems to be a pretty high risk move as the coach could very well get fired if he misses the playoffs. Seriously, I don't believe it one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Would it? It seems to be a pretty high risk move as the coach could very well get fired if he misses the playoffs. Seriously, I don't believe it one bit. Well I meant purely from a "coach of the year" standpoint. Of course no coach would risk their job or purposely tank the season just to get their name on some award. My point was just that I don't think coaches should get extra credit because they made the team worse before making it better. In the end, if the season ended today, he brought us from a 7th or 8th place team that he inherited to a 4th place (2nd in poitns) team in 2 seasons - which is certainly good progress and I'd say makes him a contender for the Jack Adams - but just a contender. But if he could get us into first place, then I'd actually think he may be the frontrunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs_4_9_10 Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Well... My first choice is Babcock, who just haves an amazing season. Carbo could win it also, cause he doesn't have the roster with the more stars in the league, but he makes everyone contribute. Stevens is behind those guy for me, cause to me it's their GM, with the trades and the signatures he's made, that put this team on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest powerplay2009 Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 i agree. montreal is catching up. if 7th/8th to 1st isnt progress, then there should be no jack adams trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 i agree. montreal is catching up. if 7th/8th to 1st isnt progress, then there should be no jack adams trophy. Now that's the way it should be looked at. If we could finish first, going from 7th/8th to 1st in 2 seasons is an admirable accomplishment, and I'd have to consider Carbo one of 3 front runners (Washington has made a similar gain in a shorter time, and Detroit's record is just so far above everyone else) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Khadgar Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Now that's the way it should be looked at. If we could finish first, going from 7th/8th to 1st in 2 seasons is an admirable accomplishment, and I'd have to consider Carbo one of 3 front runners (Washington has made a similar gain in a shorter time, and Detroit's record is just so far above everyone else) I think what could get Carbo the award is that most media outlets had us finishing out ofthe playoffs. Some had us as bad as 13th in the conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JL Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Jacques Demers who is in Atlanta at the All-star game this weekend, wrote in Le Journal de Montreal that many players, coaches and GMs think that Guy Carbonneau is the early favorite to win the coach of the year. At the all-star break, who are the early candidates for the Jack Adams trophy, award give to the best coach in the NHL? I've compiled some stats showing the number of points the team has so far, how many points they should get if they keep on the same pace, the amount of points the team had last season and the differential in comparison to last year. Name Points so far On pace Last year's total Difference Mike Babcock (DET) ~ 78 ~ 125 ~ 113 ~ +12 John Paddock (OTT) ~ 66 ~ 108 ~ 105 ~ +3 Ron Wilson (SJS) ~ 61 ~ 102 ~ 107 ~ -5 Dave Tippett (DAL) ~ 61 ~ 94 ~ 107 ~ -13 Guy Carbonneau (MTL) ~ 60 ~ 100 ~ 90 ~ +10 Randy Carlyle (ANA) ~ 60 ~ 93 ~ 110 ~ -17 John Stevens (PHI) ~ 59 ~ 101 ~ 56 ~ +45 Brent Sutter (NJD) ~ 59 ~ 99 ~ 107 ~ -8 Jacques Lemaire (MIN) ~ 59 ~ 97 ~ 104 ~ -7 Michel Therrien (PIT) ~ 58 ~ 97 ~ 105 ~ -8 Mike Keenan (CAL) ~ 58 ~ 95 ~ 96 ~ -1 Alain Vigneault (VAN) ~ 57 ~ 93 ~ 105 ~ -12 Joel Quenneville (COL) ~ 56 ~ 92 ~ 95 ~ -3 Ken Hitchcock (CBJ) ~ 56 ~ 90 ~ 73 ~ +17 Claude Julien (BOS) ~ 55 ~ 92 ~ 76 ~ +16 Barry Trotz (NAS) ~ 55 ~ 90 ~ 110 ~ -20 Wayne Gretzky (PHX) ~ 54 ~ 90 ~ 67 ~ +23 My early nominees would be Babcock (DET), Stevens (PHI) and Carbonneau (MTL). If Columbus and/or Pheonix makes the playoffs, Hitchcock and Gretzky could be in the nominees. My early winner is John Stevens in Philadelphia with a +45. Here's their new pace: *John Stevens (PHI) 90 pts (+34) Wayne Gretzky (PHX) 89 pts (+22) *Claude Julien (BOS) 90 pts (+14) Ken Hitchcock (CBJ) 85 pts (+12) *Guy Carbonneau (MTL) 100 pts (+10) *Mike Babcock (DET) 117 pts (+4) *Jacques Lemaire (MIN) 100 pts (-4) *John Paddock (OTT) 101 pts (-4) *Dave Tippett (DAL) 103 pts (-4) *Mike Keenan (CAL) 92 pts (-4) Joel Quenneville (COL) 90 pts (-5) *Michel Therrien (PIT) 99 pts (-6) *Brent Sutter (NJD) 100 pts (-7) *Ron Wilson (SJS) 99 pts (-8) *Alain Vigneault (VAN) 92 pts (-13) *Randy Carlyle (ANA) 95 pts (-15) *Barry Trotz (NAS) 93 pts (-17) * In a playoffs' position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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