The "negative" Thread

[Guest 1970 Habs]

I'm not sure which two you're referring to, so I'm going guess at Danis and Halak. Sure, it sucks that they're not getting the opportunities that they deserve, but what can you do? With Huet playing as well as he is, and Price being the obvious choice for next in line, there's just not enough room. Price's potential far exceeds that of the other two, and that potential needs to be explored, even if it's at the expense of others in the system.

Good guess JV.

I can understand the rationale. It just rankles me because I truly think Halak is ready and good enough for the big show.

As for Danis he is even in a worse place.

When I look at a guy like Mathieu Garon though it really makes me wonder.

[Guest JIMVINNY]

Good guess JV.

I can understand the rationale. It just rankles me because I truly think Halak is ready and good enough for the big show.

And I concur. But if Price is ready too, which would your rather have?

[fourtrax]

Negative: the incredible amount of flak that Patrice Brisebois gets for no particular reason. Honestly, you'd think he was a murderer to hear some people talk.

[Guest GreekHockeyCoach]

Negative: the incredible amount of flak that Patrice Brisebois gets for no particular reason. Honestly, you'd think he was a murderer to hear some people talk.

I don't understand that either. Breezer quietly goes about his business and doesn't hurt the team.

[gracie12]

Negative: the incredible amount of flak that Patrice Brisebois gets for no particular reason. Honestly, you'd think he was a murderer to hear some people talk.

No doubt!! I'll add smolinski to that too.

If we hadnt managed to go on this mass winning streak, there would still be fans saying the reason we're fighting for a playoff spot is brisebois & smolinksi.

Everyone makes mistakes - and while neither will be challenging for the norris or the selke, they both have done satisfactory most nights. Not spectacular, but what do you expect from a #3/4 centre and a #4/5 defensman?

[Guest Asterix9]

No doubt!! I'll add smolinski to that too.

If we hadnt managed to go on this mass winning streak, there would still be fans saying the reason we're fighting for a playoff spot is brisebois & smolinksi.

Everyone makes mistakes - and while neither will be challenging for the norris or the selke, they both have done satisfactory most nights. Not spectacular, but what do you expect from a #3/4 centre and a #4/5 defensman?

Can't agree more! It's like the expectations put on some are such that the player can't reach them, unrealistic.

[Guest den0923]

Negative: the incredible amount of flak that Patrice Brisebois gets for no particular reason. Honestly, you'd think he was a murderer to hear some people talk.

Although many post on Brisbois are negative, they are not as bad as your saying, Murderer lol. It has been said along with the negativity that he has his usefulness. i.e. helping the youngsters and when we have injuries he can come in and help as an 8th D-man. I think things were intentionally taken out of context to start something beyond normal discussion. After all we are all allowed our opinion, as this opinion from a post in "If I were gm" on Dec 23rd 2007 at 11:46 pm. By yourself Weep and I quote " As long as this team stays together without any personnel or coaching changes, we won't make the playoffs.It's time to start over. Either fire Carbonneau and start over, or gut this team and start over.

It's not working. I've been watching the same movie for the past few years, and I'm tired of it.

Now thats negative. nough said?

[Guest overlords]

No doubt!! I'll add smolinski to that too.

If we hadnt managed to go on this mass winning streak, there would still be fans saying the reason we're fighting for a playoff spot is brisebois & smolinksi.

Everyone makes mistakes - and while neither will be challenging for the norris or the selke, they both have done satisfactory most nights. Not spectacular, but what do you expect from a #3/4 centre and a #4/5 defensman?

not really fair to compare brisebois and smokes, one was brought in and instantly created this whole affair and he had people looking at him through a microscope, smolinski didn't do his job at the beginning of the year, plain and simple. I'm happy with what he's doing now.

[fourtrax]

Although many post on Brisbois are negative, they are not as bad as your saying, Murderer lol. It has been said along with the negativity that he has his usefulness.

Come now. If you can't see that I was using a wee bit of hyperbole there, partly as a joke, partly to convey my frustration...

After all we are all allowed our opinion, as this opinion from a post in "If I were gm" on Dec 23rd 2007 at 11:46 pm. By yourself Weep and I quote " As long as this team stays together without any personnel or coaching changes, we won't make the playoffs.It's time to start over. Either fire Carbonneau and start over, or gut this team and start over.

It's not working. I've been watching the same movie for the past few years, and I'm tired of it.

Now thats negative. nough said?

I'm confused as to why you're quoting my post here? Yes, that's what I posted then. It was how I felt at the time, based on the overall play of the team and my lack of optimism about the future. I'm happy to be able to look back and say that I was wrong. You don't see me calling for a team overhaul or a coaching change today, do you? Whereas it doesn't seem to matter what Brisebois does or doesn't do, because there will always be fans who will continue to attack him.

[Guest den0923]

Come now. If you can't see that I was using a wee bit of hyperbole there, partly as a joke, partly to convey my frustration...

I'm confused as to why you're quoting my post here? Yes, that's what I posted then. It was how I felt at the time, based on the overall play of the team and my lack of optimism about the future. I'm happy to be able to look back and say that I was wrong. You don't see me calling for a team overhaul or a coaching change today, do you? Whereas it doesn't seem to matter what Brisebois does or doesn't do, because there will always be fans who will continue to attack him.

Did you notice I typed LOL after Murderer. Reading what you want again.

The reason for the quote was to show you that we are all allowed our opinions, negative ot not. Back then that is how you felt. So be it. Today you admit you were wrong. I am allowed my opinion also am I not? I just don't appreciate you going around to many threads and attacking what you want others to believe what I said. I understand you being a Mod you need to read many post and confusion can happen, in Knowing that you should be sure about what one said before attacking it.

Anyway this has nothing to do with the habs, sorry bout that. I am really positive about our habs. Like I said many times before we have an awesome team sit back and enjoy.

[Guest hatethoseleafs]

I am really positive about our habs. Like I said many times before we have an awesome team sit back and enjoy.

Wrong thread..

[Guest RockMtl]

OK - hehe - I'm confused!!!!!! Is this a negative or positive thread !!!LOLLLLLLLL

Cause I have nothing negative about our TEAM - OH WAIT!!!!! Ya, NO CHEERLEADERS - WHAT'S UP with that??????????

[Guest Greek Hab]

^^^^^

Does Youppi! count?

[Guest Asterix9]

Why does Koivu always take those same stupid hooking penalties, most times in the offensive zone? The rules have been in place for how long now?

[Guest RockMtl]

^^^^^

Does Youppi! count?

No! Because he looks terrible in Hot Pants and a Halter top!!!!!!!!

LOLLLLL

[Guest QbGamer]

WOw whats going in the past 2 games, we blew a 3 goal lead and then we almost blew another 3 goals lead jeeze

[Guest youppipwns]

^^^^^

Does Youppi! count?

I think I do count GO YOUPPI!

[Guest FlHabsFan]

WOw whats going in the past 2 games, we blew a 3 goal lead and then we almost blew another 3 goals lead jeeze

Im wondering if sunday was due to Hammr being sick and last night due to him not being there. Hes our best defensive defense man out there

[jigger-1]

Why does Koivu always take those same stupid hooking penalties, most times in the offensive zone? The rules have been in place for how long now?

Two things worry me right now.

First, Koivu has been taking way too many of those hooking penalties lately. On Sunday we were up 3-0, on the powerplay and he takes a hooking penalty in the offensive zone when we're in control of the puck. We all know what happens after.

I am worried about Koivu. I've always defended him and have been a huge fan of his but lately I don't recognize him on the ice. Maybe all the injuries, age, cancer etc are catching up to him. I'm not sure what, if anything can be done but it's a situation that seems to not be improving unfortunately.

Second,

We need to learn to preserve a lead. I don't know what is causing the late meltdowns but there has to be a bit of concern and focus from the coaching staff on this. Truth is we just allowed 8 goals in two games. Were it not for an amazing save or two by Huet last night the same scenario as Sunday could have occured. We have to get our focus back on playing a really stingy defensive system. That game should have been over after the first period yesterday.

[Guest 1970 Habs]

Personally I think Koivu is having vision problems.

As for the Team meltdowns it comes with having a young inexperienced (NHL experience) team.

[Guest GreekHockeyCoach]

Two things worry me right now.

First, Koivu has been taking way too many of those hooking penalties lately. On Sunday we were up 3-0, on the powerplay and he takes a hooking penalty in the offensive zone when we're in control of the puck. We all know what happens after.

I am worried about Koivu. I've always defended him and have been a huge fan of his but lately I don't recognize him on the ice. Maybe all the injuries, age, cancer etc are catching up to him. I'm not sure what, if anything can be done but it's a situation that seems to not be improving unfortunately.

Second,

We need to learn to preserve a lead. I don't know what is causing the late meltdowns but there has to be a bit of concern and focus from the coaching staff on this. Truth is we just allowed 8 goals in two games. Were it not for an amazing save or two by Huet last night the same scenario as Sunday could have occured. We have to get our focus back on playing a really stingy defensive system. That game should have been over after the first period yesterday.

I agree and disagree with your first point. He does have to stop taking penalties. However, I still think he's a presence on the ice. He's still working hard and he has 6 points in his last 7 games. For whatever reason this year, the points are not coming easy for Saku.

Your second point, I don't feel we blew the lead in the third because we gave up or stopped skating. We had some bad luck, a bad line change caused a goal and a flukey wrister from the point. I don't know if I'd agree with the stingy defensive system, it might be a good option, but I'd rather see them continue pressing even after a big lead, they play better defensively when they're trying to score. Just my opinion though.

[Guest RockMtl]

I agree and disagree with your first point. He does have to stop taking penalties. However, I still think he's a presence on the ice. He's still working hard and he has 6 points in his last 7 games. For whatever reason this year, the points are not coming easy for Saku.

Your second point, I don't feel we blew the lead in the third because we gave up or stopped skating. We had some bad luck, a bad line change caused a goal and a flukey wrister from the point. I don't know if I'd agree with the stingy defensive system, it might be a good option, but I'd rather see them continue pressing even after a big lead, they play better defensively when they're trying to score. Just my opinion though.

Absolutely Bro... 'A good defence is a better offence'.!

Let's not forget - we were playing the Sens. Even sans Alfy and Heater - I don't think Ottawa was ever accused of being a 1 dimensional team and once the momentum changed with a goal and penalties - they kept coming at us - so OUR biggest asset is speed and getting first to the puck - pressure, pressure, pressure.

[Guest arrowsno13]

Im wondering if sunday was due to Hammr being sick and last night due to him not being there. Hes our best defensive defense man out there

Ummm, are you following the games this year? Best defensive defenceman? Carbo isn't putting Komi and Markov out there to shut down the opps top lines and on 1st unit penalty kills because they are good looking players. Hammer is too slow and when I saw him and Breeze-by playing together I knew we were in trouble.

My peeve with the Habs right now has to be with Lats. The guy is not worthy of a spot on the Hab's roster.

Positive points:

He can hit.

Negative points:

He can't fight...won't fight.

His skating skills are worse than Skrudland's.

Most of his goals this year have been shot from bad angles and the goalies had brain farts or the rebound was laying in the crease behind the goalie.

Takes up too much space on the bench.

Solution:

Trade him one-for-one with a legit enforcer. Reason: They can hit harder; score the same types of goals; skate faster and not look so goofey out there doing so; and drop the gloves when needed.

[Guest RockMtl]

Ummm, are you following the games this year? Best defensive defenceman? Carbo isn't putting Komi and Markov out there to shut down the opps top lines and on 1st unit penalty kills because they are good looking players. Hammer is too slow and when I saw him and Breeze-by playing together I knew we were in trouble.

My peeve with the Habs right now has to be with Lats. The guy is not worthy of a spot on the Hab's roster.

Positive points:

He can hit.

Negative points:

He can't fight...won't fight.

His skating skills are worse than Skrudland's.

Most of his goals this year have been shot from bad angles and the goalies had brain farts or the rebound was laying in the crease behind the goalie.

Takes up too much space on the bench.

Solution:

Trade him one-for-one with a legit enforcer. Reason: They can hit harder; score the same types of goals; skate faster and not look so goofey out there doing so; and drop the gloves when needed.

You're a little off the mark for Hammer. I'll stick my neck out and say - he's playing more consistant then Surray ever did (not talking points here) - I'll take his +2 rating for now!

As for Lat's - I tend to agree with some points - he doesn't like the rough stuff and I wonder sometimes about him and he has no speed (EX: turned a breakaway into a 3 man scrum last night), but he does lead the Habs with 5 on 5 goals - and he does not shy away from the scrums in front of the net and bag garbage goals. Something that Yvon Lambert was good at - and he had a relatively decent career with the Habs. (PS: I don't think I would cry if he was gone - but I don't dislike him)

[jigger-1]

I agree and disagree with your first point. He does have to stop taking penalties. However, I still think he's a presence on the ice. He's still working hard and he has 6 points in his last 7 games. For whatever reason this year, the points are not coming easy for Saku.

Your second point, I don't feel we blew the lead in the third because we gave up or stopped skating. We had some bad luck, a bad line change caused a goal and a flukey wrister from the point. I don't know if I'd agree with the stingy defensive system, it might be a good option, but I'd rather see them continue pressing even after a big lead, they play better defensively when they're trying to score. Just my opinion though.

I think if we try and play a run and gun offensive game vs Ottawa on Saturday with Heatley and Alfredson back they will kill us. We have to play that boring defensive style and capitalize on scoring opportunities and powerplays.