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Can the Penguins afford to keep Marian Hossa beyond this season?

Winners of the Hossa derby at the trade deadline, it remains to be determined if the Pens gave up 4 players for a rental player or if they can sign Hossa to a contract extension this summer.

The Penguins are facing a situation where they have a total of 13 players scheduled to become UFAs, totalling $19.6 million. Add the fact that they have an additional 4 players scheduled to become RFAs totalling $3.295 million, that makes just under $23 million in salary this season to replace, most coming with raizes.

They already have $27.3 million already commited in estimated payroll for 2008-09. Some of the UFAs include names such as Marian Hossa, Ryan Malone, Jarkko Ruutu, Georges Laraque, Pascal Dupuis, Kris Beech, Brooks Orpik and Tye Conklin, while Marc-Andre Fleury will be looking at a raize from his $1.6 million. And I'm not including Gary Roberts who won't be re-signed, I'm sure.

In addition, considering that UFA rarely don't sign a one year deal, the Penguins must take into consideration that Evgeni Malkin, Jordan Stall and Maxim Talbot are all scheduled to become RFAs at the end of the 2008-09 season and should draw some major interest for offer-sheets. Malkin is rumoured to be looking for an Ovechkin-type deal.

Marian Hossa will be the most sought after UFA this summer, maybe along with Markus Naslund, but there is a big drop in talent at the forward position there after. He should be able to fetch at least $8 million on the open market.

Even with the salary cap going up, I can not see how the Penguins can sign Hossa to a long term deal and I'll go further in saying that there will have to be some major decisions made next season in order to keep this team together and avoid following the Tampa Bay Lightning's footsteps in tying up half or their salary cap on 3 or 4 players.

Their window of opportunity under a salary cap NHL is closing in faster than people think and that's why I think that it was a huge mistake for them to give up 4 young (and cheap) players for Hossa, who will likely only be a rental player.

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I can honestly say I was happy when Montreal didn't get him. He is notoriously known for bringing drama issues. He doesn't negotiate contracts well; he just wants money and doesn't care where he plays or where it comes from. Montreal has done a wonderful job building from within and they shouldn't start shopping around for people like him.

We have good veteran leadership already who are stepping up and a great young team with a lot of good prospects. If I think we could use any superstar vets to come in and help the team next year, I would think we could use a solid defense man. I believe it was Kovalev who siad a few weeks back that we needed to start winning more 1-0, 2-0 games. While I think the young scoring team is great and exciting, I have to agree with Kovalev on this one.

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PS can a mod remove the baove post. For some reason the forum forgot to add my return carriage characters....and turned my text into a bloc....

Ill have to say the habs(short of sounding like a sales pitch but here a my reasons):

-We are a playoff bound team

-We have a reliable organisation

-Coaching staff is providing great guidance to players

-Fans care for the team (in the good times or in the bad times)

-We are building a new pratice arena

-etc...

So here are the bad parts:

-Media sucks

-You can loose a lot of money because of the taxes.

-etc

Keep in mind i went to La Baie a few weeks ago to see Marvov sign some autographs. Little did i know there was a huge line up and you had to pay a minimum of 50$ (of which Markov is probably getting a fair cut) from a certain brand to get the chance to have his signature. All that to say, yea you can loose a lot of money playing in montreal...but the draw back is that you have the potential of gaining a lot as well. We buy player jerseys, go to events, sellout the bell centre etc.

There is money to be made outside of what the team has to pay you. We are so desperate for celebreties athletes that i saw Vinny do a St Hubert commercial.....

I decided to study computer science/engeneering because i have no talent in buisness. However i am going to project that our team will look like this next year:

Name Salary for 2008/09 Cap Hit

Saku Koivu 4.75 4.75

Alex Kovalev 4.5 4.5

Chris Higgins 1.90 1.7

Tomas Plekanec 1.8 1.7

Steve Begin 1.3 1.057

Tom Kostopoulous 0.9 0.9

G. Latendresse 0.850 0.850

S.Kostitsyn 0.560 0.560

A.Kostitsyn 2.0 (3 year deal) 2

M. Grabovski 1.0 (2 year deal) 1

Maxim Lapierre 1.0 (2 year deal) 1

Andrei Markov 5.750 5.750

Roman Hamrlik 5.5 5.5

Francis Bouilllon 1.875 1.875

Mathieu Dandenault 1.750 1.725

Josh Georges 0.750 (2 year deal) 0.750

Ryan O’Byrne 0.750 (3 year deal) 0.750

Mike Komisarek 1.9 1.7

Carey Price .850 2.2

Jaroslav Halak 1.0 (2 year deal) 1

Total 40.685 41.267

I am assuming that we wont sign back Mark Streit, Brian Smolinski, Patrice Brisbois and Ryder. I know we are missing some forwards and all that, but the point of my post is to show that we can offer Hossa a deal that is very attractive.With koivu and kovalev aging, hossa can come here and be the next go to veteran presence. The teacher on the ice as a young team develops into a contender.If gainey was willing to offer Briere more money then the flyers did, then i can see him offering hoassa a 6 year 50 million deal NVM caluse. A little less if its a no trade...

breaking it down to 10 + 10 + 8 + 8 + 7 + 7 for a total cap hit of 8.3 millions.That would bring the teams cap hit at 49.567.....Pretty darn tight with all the ufa coming up the year after, but that's the reason Bob is the gm, and im just a fan trying to find a way to make a deal happen.my lines with Hossa bare:

S.Kostitsyn S.Koivu M.Hossa

A.Kostitsyn T.Plekanec A.Kovalev

C.Higgens M.Grabovski (veteren defensive player for the year that gainey always finds)

G.Latendresse M.Lappiere Kostopoulous/Begin

(the bottom 2 lines are probaly not set in stone)

A.Marvov M.Komisarek

R.Hamrlik R.'Byrne

F.Bouillon J.Georges

extra: M.Dandenaultand id like to also add D'agostini that might crack the line up....or a defencemen that can step up and be a top forth defencemen.anyways i did not mean to write a book, but i think now that hossa is unrestricted gainey might offer him what i stated above.

forgot to say, he wont sign back with pit....they have too many young players that are going to command a lot of money.

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Around the deadline there we were rumors that this was strictly a rental player, and he had no intention of signing before July 1st, and he intends to get every dollar the market allows.

That' been stated by a few knowledgeable, informed guys with in the business.

The day of the trade or after, Shero was on Prime Time Sports, and I got the impression he was looking at it strictly as a rental. With the way the NHL is today, if you have any chance at all to make a run, you take it imo, and they gave up replaceable assets.

As for where he'll end up, I'll guess Boston, I've heard a few people say it (just predicting, not actual first hand knowledge), but it's very well known Hossa and Chara are very good friends, and that Boston is in desperate need of a scoring winger.

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Marian Hossa will be the most sought after UFA this summer, maybe along with Markus Naslund, but there is a big drop in talent at the forward position there after. He should be able to fetch at least $8 million on the open market.

:huh:

Why would Naslund be sought after.....because he had one good season 4 years ago? Theres the next Samsonov.

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Why would Naslund be sought after.....because he had one good season 4 years ago? Theres the next Samsonov.

Because there isn't much to chose from when it comes to offensive forward UFAs this summer. If it's safe to say that Hossa will be the most sought after player, this leaves Naslund close behind.

Hossa....................Naslund

28............G................24

35............A................29

63...........PTS.............53

-13..........+/-..............-4

255.........SOG...........218

11.0........S%............11.0

8.............PPG...............9

So in summary, there's no doubt in my mind that Hossa will be the most sought after forward, but Naslund will be second as there is a huge drop in talent after that.

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Because there isn't much to chose from when it comes to offensive forward UFAs this summer. If it's safe to say that Hossa will be the most sought after player, this leaves Naslund close behind.

Hossa....................Naslund

28............G................24

35............A................29

63...........PTS.............53

-13..........+/-..............-4

255.........SOG...........218

11.0........S%............11.0

8.............PPG...............9

So in summary, there's no doubt in my mind that Hossa will be the most sought after forward, but Naslund will be second as there is a huge drop in talent after that.

Here's a pretty big list of free agents.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=233035&hubname=nhl

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Here's a pretty big list of free agents.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=233035&hubname=nhl

I'm only looking at wingers. Not centres, because honestly, I don't really want Ryder to be signed next season. Enough of this arbitration crap year after year. The only way I would want Ryder back, is if he came for a reduce price for 2 seasons.

- Vrbata [RW] (young guy(26), I think, would fit well in the atmosphere of youth we have in the locker room)

- Rolston [LW] (vet winger, huge body, I'd put him on the 2nd line with Koivu. With that said, Higgins wouldn't be on the 2nd line)

- Naslund [RW] (I would only sign Naslund if he reduces his 6-million dollar salary, unlike Hossa, Naslund is 5 years older)

- Linden [RW] (Classy guy, and he was a Hab)

- Recchi [RW] (Why not? If we would like leave the scoring to our youth, that is, Recchi would be a good guardian)

- Selanne [RW] (Finnish love)

- Chelios [D] :P

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Here's a pretty big list of free agents.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=233035&hubname=nhl

I much prefer this site as you can sort them by position, salaries, cap hits, UFA or RFA, etc. ;)

I've gone through the free agents a long time ago and considering that some of the names will re-sign with their respective teams (Sakic, Rolston, etc.), combined with the fact the the offensive forwards are few and far between, that's what makes me say that Hossa will be the most sought after UFA followed by Naslund (when it comes to offensive forwards).

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I hope he ends up in chicago, or the leafs,

Some loser team, where he will never end up doing much,

Even Philly.

I hope someone spends the max on him like 10 million for 7-8 years. and he becomes a huge flop on a loser team :)

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I hope he ends up in chicago, or the leafs,

Some loser team, where he will never end up doing much,

Even Philly.

I hope someone spends the max on him like 10 million for 7-8 years. and he becomes a huge flop on a loser team :)

If Briere can get a contract with $10M for this current season for having one good season then I wouldn't doubt Hossa getting a contract like $10M for 7-8 years.

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I think he will take the best paying team. I would be somewhat careful in the free agent market as most of the UFAs signed last year have had less productive years this year. One exception I know of has been Scott Gomez.

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The Pens could resign him. If Malkin takes about 7.5 million, Malone takes 3.5, Staal 2.5, it's possible. But the biggest thing that would have to happen is the Pens trade Whitney for a pick or something along those lines, he's a huge overpayment, he''s been terrible this season, not worth 4 million. Also, after this season, we'll have 2 million free from Roberts if he retires and 1 million from Recchi. Also, he'd have to sign for less then 8 million, we'll see how it goes.

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The Pens could resign him. If Malkin takes about 7.5 million, Malone takes 3.5, Staal 2.5, it's possible. But the biggest thing that would have to happen is the Pens trade Whitney for a pick or something along those lines, he's a huge overpayment, he''s been terrible this season, not worth 4 million. Also, after this season, we'll have 2 million free from Roberts if he retires and 1 million from Recchi. Also, he'd have to sign for less then 8 million, we'll see how it goes.

In the long term your better option would be to forego signing Hossa and using the money to sign Malkin, Malone, Staal, and keeping Whitney (1 elite player, 3 strong players instead of 1 unknown in Hossa).

However that is just my opinion.

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The Pens could resign him. If Malkin takes about 7.5 million, Malone takes 3.5, Staal 2.5, it's possible. But the biggest thing that would have to happen is the Pens trade Whitney for a pick or something along those lines, he's a huge overpayment, he''s been terrible this season, not worth 4 million. Also, after this season, we'll have 2 million free from Roberts if he retires and 1 million from Recchi. Also, he'd have to sign for less then 8 million, we'll see how it goes.

I was thinking along the same lines, but I had thought that Gonchar may be the guy they try to move in the offseason to free up some money. Goligoski is ready to step up to the NHL, so we can afford to cut loose one of our big $$ offensive defensemen. I just can't see them giving up on Whitney.

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  • 2 months later...

Let the real speculations begin...

But Hossa? No chance. He is a world-class goal scorer and will get the silly money as a free agent July 1. The Penguins can't pay him and keep Fleury, Malkin and Staal. Shero's trade to bring Hossa here in February still will be remembered as a great one because Hossa helped the team get to the final.

But a Pittsburgh source said the Penguins won’t make any real effort to re-sign the unrestricted free agent: They simply can’t afford to pay Hossa, along with Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Marc-Andre Fleury and Jordan Staal. His acquisition from Atlanta in February, thus, was a one-time shot at winning the Cup.

So it looks like Pittsburgh is out of the running, as some of us expected. Now who? And at what price?

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Whats Boston know about the pens Gm offering to Hossa,

Give it some time,

Im assuming Hossa is a $ hungry animal, sort of like the thrashers Gm was come trade deadline.

Seeing as thats the case, and he will be looking for BIG $$, I think the highest bidder will win. Not to mention i could see 5-6 teams offering pretty much the same sorta package, he could then see which team he would prefer to play with. and then sign with them.

Id like to see him in the east, just so we can boo him each time he comes into the building, as you know its going to happen..

The breire factor

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I wouldn't completely count Pittsburgh out. It's tough to verify the source when they can't say who it is, and logically there are some scenerios that could see Pittsburgh re-sign Hossa. There's 4 basic situations I can see:

1.) Most Likely: Pittsburgh publicly saves face from the trade by saying they are trying to re-sign him. Privately, they hold a couple casual talks to at least get an idea of each others position, but in the end no serious talks ever occur and Hossa walks on July 1.

2.) Basically #1, except Pittsburgh tries to recoup some of their losses by trading his rights after the casual talks. I don't see this happening because UFA rights are never traded anymore, and it would admit to fans that they have given up on Hossa (which would be bad considering the trade)

3.) Pittsburgh could likely afford Hossa next season depending what they do with their other UFAs. They could easily do what Philli did last season, basically potentially box themselves in and deal with cap problems when they happen. Just deal with the present and deal with the future when necessary. It could potentially work, but probably isn't the smartest strategy because it could also be catastrophic. Risky, but could have a high reward if dealt with correctly.

4.) Pittsburgh re-signs Hossa with the intention to trade someone else (Malkin, etc.). Another "source" said they want to trade Malkin. The idea here would be that you get a player roughly in the same skill range as Malkin, but you also get a whole lot back in a Malkin trade.

Now I think #1 is far and away the most likely, and I don't really think he'll be back, but I wouldn't count Hossa out of Pittsburgh quite yet.

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He will end up with whoever is going to give him the most money. I don't think it will be Pittsburgh as they will have salary cap problems in a couple of years with Malkin, Stall, etc. coming up for salary negotiations. He was going to get at least 8 million plus, before the playoffs, but now I think he will get even more after his playoff performance. Boston has been a constant rumour, but what about San Jose. I hear they have a lot of cap room, and they need offense.

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