atrud66 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I think that the Thrashers so far, are screwed. They haven't signed anybody that will help them and since they only have Kovalchuk, Atlanta isn't an appealing team to join so, Atlanta will have another bad season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bailey1 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Van-cou-va Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I would like to see what happens if the salary cap doesn't increase or it goes down - I want to see how teams manage manage to get under the cap after all these long term big signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsology Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I see our team being screwed by Sundin choosing to retire....and BG, once again, not signing anyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael19Cammalleri67 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I see our team being screwed by Sundin choosing to retire....and BG, once again, not signing anyone... We don't need anyone to be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 We don't need anyone to be signed. a few RFAs would disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 as long as the cap keeps rising, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauro-Biello Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 As of now definately Vancouver. I bet Atlanta could this year sneak into 8th in the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael19Cammalleri67 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 a few RFAs would disagree. I was talking about Ufa we dont need any, RFA just Halak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-gt-go-habs-go Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 well although tampa has improved I think they didn't improve where they needed to.........They just keep signing forwards and are very thin on defence and aren't that deep in goaltending..unless they plan on scoring 6 goals a game I think they screwed themselves pretty bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael19Cammalleri67 Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 well although tampa has improved I think they didn't improve where they needed to.........They just keep signing forwards and are very thin on defence and aren't that deep in goaltending..unless they plan on scoring 6 goals a game I think they screwed themselves pretty bad They have 2 back up goalies and a 3rd goalie with average AHL defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bailey1 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 They have 2 back up goalies and a 3rd goalie with average AHL defense. And to our advantage, they don't have the niche that scares us most of the time: No Quebec Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 As of now definately Vancouver. I bet Atlanta could this year sneak into 8th in the east. I would be surprised if Atlanta makes it past 12th. They still need to figure out how to get to the cap floor. They need to toss someone a buttload of cash just to reach that mark. And they will suck hardcore next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsology Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 We don't need anyone to be signed. You don't remain competitive by staying the same. Other teams will continue to improve and be more competitive and surpass you if you just stand around thinking your team is "all that". We have a fine team, but not "the best team". That is where we need to be. I think that putting his eggs in one basket, that BG is going to shoot himself (and the Habs) in the foot (like he did with hossa at the trade deadline). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdonald19 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 You don't remain competitive by staying the same. Other teams will continue to improve and be more competitive and surpass you if you just stand around thinking your team is "all that". We have a fine team, but not "the best team". That is where we need to be. I think that putting his eggs in one basket, that BG is going to shoot himself (and the Habs) in the foot (like he did with hossa at the trade deadline). I can see where you worries are but I recently read a column on 'hockeynews' which mentioned that the HABS were in great shape after free agency. It mentioned that if Sundin was not to sign, we would be in prime position to pick up a player from a struggling team over the course of the season and i agree. I think we'll perform well even without him, although i do admit we would struggle to win the cup. If we so chose we could pick up a good player from a struggling team at a later time if he doesnt sign. Also we signed 1) an enforcer (that i remember a lot of people wanted when we were put out of the playoffs) and 2) a reasonable AHL goalie who has the potential to rebuild his confidence and could perhaps end up being a steal for us. All in all i feel were on a good course for the coming season. I disagree that we have shot ourselves in the foot as Hossa simply decided aqainst us and if we didnt sign someone like Hossa, Sundin or perhaps Malone etc theres no point in picking up an average player just for the sake of it? Shooting ourselves in the foot would be signing someone we didnt really need and when a good player is available during the season or at the deadline, not having enough CAP because we signed some average-joe. Patience can win out in these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdonald19 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 You don't remain competitive by staying the same. Other teams will continue to improve and be more competitive and surpass you if you just stand around thinking your team is "all that". We have a fine team, but not "the best team". That is where we need to be. I think that putting his eggs in one basket, that BG is going to shoot himself (and the Habs) in the foot (like he did with hossa at the trade deadline). I can see where you worries are but I recently read a column on 'hockeynews' which mentioned that the HABS were in great shape after free agency. It mentioned that if Sundin was not to sign, we would be in prime position to pick up a player from a struggling team over the course of the season and i agree. I think we'll perform well even without him, although i do admit we would struggle to win the cup. If we so chose we could pick up a good player from a struggling team at a later time if he doesnt sign. Also we signed 1) an enforcer (that i remember a lot of people wanted when we were put out of the playoffs) and 2) a reasonable AHL goalie who has the potential to rebuild his confidence and could perhaps end up being a steal for us. All in all i feel were on a good course for the coming season. I disagree that we have shot ourselves in the foot as Hossa simply decided aqainst us and if we didnt sign someone like Hossa, Sundin or perhaps Malone etc theres no point in picking up an average player just for the sake of it? Shooting ourselves in the foot would be signing someone we didnt really need and when a good player is available during the season or at the deadline, not having enough CAP because we signed some average-joe. Patience can win out in these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsology Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I can see where you worries are but I recently read a column on 'hockeynews' which mentioned that the HABS were in great shape after free agency. It mentioned that if Sundin was not to sign, we would be in prime position to pick up a player from a struggling team over the course of the season and i agree. I think we'll perform well even without him, although i do admit we would struggle to win the cup. If we so chose we could pick up a good player from a struggling team at a later time if he doesnt sign. Also we signed 1) an enforcer (that i remember a lot of people wanted when we were put out of the playoffs) and 2) a reasonable AHL goalie who has the potential to rebuild his confidence and could perhaps end up being a steal for us. All in all i feel were on a good course for the coming season. I disagree that we have shot ourselves in the foot as Hossa simply decided aqainst us and if we didnt sign someone like Hossa, Sundin or perhaps Malone etc theres no point in picking up an average player just for the sake of it? Shooting ourselves in the foot would be signing someone we didnt really need and when a good player is available during the season or at the deadline, not having enough CAP because we signed some average-joe. Patience can win out in these situations. I guess I should have said "miss the boat" instead of "shooting oneself in the foot". But I can see your point. If BG is able to go out and pick up a soon-to-be-UFA in 2009 such as Gaborik, I will call him a genius and take back every bad thing I've ever said about him. However, if he continues on this path of inactivity, I think it will intensify my doubt in his abilities as a good GM. Boy, would Gaborik in Hab-town be something else...But I think he may end up in Vancouver to follow his pal Demitra, which is one of the reasons that I really wanted Demitra here (knowing that he would be able to draw Gaborik to town. Just like Biron did to Briere with Philly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-habster Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 the yankees, ohh wait i mean the rangers! they are ruined for 5 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 You don't remain competitive by staying the same. Other teams will continue to improve and be more competitive and surpass you if you just stand around thinking your team is "all that". We have a fine team, but not "the best team". That is where we need to be. I think that putting his eggs in one basket, that BG is going to shoot himself (and the Habs) in the foot (like he did with hossa at the trade deadline). You're forgetting we have a lot of young players who are only going to get better. Also, which teams around us do you believe got better by overpaying average players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenderjetta Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 well although tampa has improved I think they didn't improve where they needed to.........They just keep signing forwards and are very thin on defence and aren't that deep in goaltending..unless they plan on scoring 6 goals a game I think they screwed themselves pretty bad Totally agree. At least Tampa has been fun to watch and try to figure out what the heck they are doing. New York might have screwed themselves with more big money for two players who might not bounce back - Naslund and Redden. Although 4 million a season for Naslund isn't too bad and it's only two years. Redden though ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsology Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 You're forgetting we have a lot of young players who are only going to get better. Also, which teams around us do you believe got better by overpaying average players? Yes, we have a lot of young guys who are going to get better....but how much better? Will they be better enough for us to win the cup? Somehow I doubt that. We need to have top-notch players if we want to get a whiff of the cup. Don't get me wrong. I agree that development of young players is important, but it should not be at the cost of winning the cup. Otherwise you are always in building mode and never in finishing mode if you follow that philosophy. When exactly is it that you stop trying to rebuild and go for the gold? I think that our chance was/is now. We had a good performance this past season, but it's time to put the kids in their seats and bring in some big boys to help us out. I thought that Edmonton really improved with some of the signings they made. They will definitely be in the playoffs this coming season. Also, Columbus made notable improvements, as well as Tampa, and yes, even the Rangers. I think they got rid of some older and slower guys and will actually be more competitive now. And how about Phoenix? Don't tell me that getting Jokinen wasn't a huge upgrade for them. I think they will also be in the playoff hunt this season. That's just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsology Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Totally agree. At least Tampa has been fun to watch and try to figure out what the heck they are doing. New York might have screwed themselves with more big money for two players who might not bounce back - Naslund and Redden. Although 4 million a season for Naslund isn't too bad and it's only two years. Redden though ... I'm not so sure about the Rangers. I think that they actually improved. As good as Jagr was, I think that he wasn't the "right" player for that Rangers team. I think they should have tried to be a faster team. With Jagr on the team everyone looks to pass to him cause they know he's the go-to guy to score for them. Now they will have to look to everyone for scoring. All the passes won't be going to one guy. Jagr was just too big for the players around him, and by "too big" I mean that he over-shadowed them by being a legend. Now the players are pretty much on an even level, with a superstar here and there, but nothing with the likes of Jagr. Naslund still has some hands and legs. I think he will actually improve that team. I feel the same as you on the Redden thing. But who knows, maybe he'll rebound... They have a solid goalie, a big mobile defense, and great group of forwards. I think they will go far this coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Yes, we have a lot of young guys who are going to get better....but how much better? Will they be better enough for us to win the cup? Somehow I doubt that. We need to have top-notch players if we want to get a whiff of the cup. Don't get me wrong. I agree that development of young players is important, but it should not be at the cost of winning the cup. Otherwise you are always in building mode and never in finishing mode if you follow that philosophy. When exactly is it that you stop trying to rebuild and go for the gold? I think that our chance was/is now. We had a good performance this past season, but it's time to put the kids in their seats and bring in some big boys to help us out. I thought that Edmonton really improved with some of the signings they made. They will definitely be in the playoffs this coming season. Also, Columbus made notable improvements, as well as Tampa, and yes, even the Rangers. I think they got rid of some older and slower guys and will actually be more competitive now. And how about Phoenix? Don't tell me that getting Jokinen wasn't a huge upgrade for them. I think they will also be in the playoff hunt this season. That's just my 2 cents. It's not like the Habs are constantly selling off their better players for prospects and picks. They're putting together a contender mostly from within and doing it in a fashion that it will still be a contender later on. We don't need this whole going all out on free agency only to be good for a season or two and then falter due to cap issues. Look at Detroit, they've mostly built from within while picking up a piece here and there which is pretty similar to what Gainey is doing(Kovalev, Hamrlik, Tanguay, Laraque). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Also there's no way Tampa is making it to the playoffs without defence and decent goaltender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsology Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 It's not like the Habs are constantly selling off their better players for prospects and picks. They're putting together a contender mostly from within and doing it in a fashion that it will still be a contender later on. We don't need this whole going all out on free agency only to be good for a season or two and then falter due to cap issues. Look at Detroit, they've mostly built from within while picking up a piece here and there which is pretty similar to what Gainey is doing(Kovalev, Hamrlik, Tanguay, Laraque). Let's at least compare apples to apples. Detroit has 3 bona fide superstars in Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom on their team (accompanied by a very good support cast). Montreal has zero. Kovalev and Koivu are good players, but they are far from being in the top 10. That is the difference between a championship team and a team that got lucky that they had no injuries during the regular season. I love my Habs, but I have no illusions of grandeur. How many teams can you name that won the stanley cup and didn't have any superstars on their team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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