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Good job making lemons out of lemonade, Ted. Too bad Islanders management doesn't know the first thing about running a franchise or building a playoff-bound team.

You know I wouldve agreed with you before reading some of the local beat writers' takes on this. Seems that Nolan, although a charismatic coach, was not interested in building a team out of youth and prospects. He wasnt giving his young players ice time and was instituting a defensive scheme that proved to be ineffective. Plus he was heavily involved in bringing in Guerin, Comrie, Fedotenko, and Andy Sutton, not great signings. Read about it here.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islan...0,3241479.story

I liked Nolan, and this reporting is mostly Snow's take on things so it should be taken with a few grains of salt, but if its true than I cant blame Snow for not seeing eye-to-eye. with him.

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Fair enough, but if Nolan was 'heavily involved' in bringing guys like Guerin and Comrie in, that speaks volumes about Snow's ineptitude as a GM. Snow is supposed to assemble the team. We can talk all we want about mistakes Nolan made as a coach, but the Islanders have done a brutal job trading thus far. First Wang signs Yashin to a ridiculous contract, then buys him out, then realizes the team has no offense and contacts Yashin about returning on a one-year deal. Dipietro saddled with another ridiculously long contract which is already a bust, given the number of injuries he's sustained over the past two seasons. The extremely ill-advised decision to sell the farm to acquire Smyth as a rental in 06-07 which blew up in the organization's face. Trading DOWN in the draft, thereby failing to acquire a blue-chip prospect around which to build. And now forking over far too much cash and term for Mark Streit when the team is in shambles and doesn't have the existing pieces in place for a power-play specialist like Streit to be really effective.

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Fair enough, but if Nolan was 'heavily involved' in bringing guys like Guerin and Comrie in, that speaks volumes about Snow's ineptitude as a GM. Snow is supposed to assemble the team. We can talk all we want about mistakes Nolan made as a coach, but the Islanders have done a brutal job trading thus far. First Wang signs Yashin to a ridiculous contract, then buys him out, then realizes the team has no offense and contacts Yashin about returning on a one-year deal. Dipietro saddled with another ridiculously long contract which is already a bust, given the number of injuries he's sustained over the past two seasons. The extremely ill-advised decision to sell the farm to acquire Smyth as a rental in 06-07 which blew up in the organization's face. Trading DOWN in the draft, thereby failing to acquire a blue-chip prospect around which to build. And now forking over far too much cash and term for Mark Streit when the team is in shambles and doesn't have the existing pieces in place for a power-play specialist like Streit to be really effective.

Oh yea, I mean I agree that the organization as a whole is a mess, and the above examples paint what is a pretty bad picture of a franchise. Smyth and Yashin were bad mistakes, Streit and Ricky could be salvagable deals. Im not giving Snow the benefit of the doubt, if they were nt on the same page, so be it...the coach will always fall before the GM. Now its on Snow.

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The article on TSN pretty well says they both had a difference of opinion on the direction of the club. IMO Nolan MAY have overstepped his authority by disagreeing with his GM. If Carbo were to tell BG that he refuses to use his players as instructed by the GM then he would be looking for a ticket out of town. Thats not to say he wouldnt have input but,,,,,the final word has to go to the GM unless they had a previous working agreement whereby one doesnt interfere with the others expertise. Nolan was already in the bad books with League management because of his battles in Buffalo, and it took many years before somebody else gave him a shot. I dont think this latest development is going to help further his career as an NHL coach. Time will tell.

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Fair enough, but if Nolan was 'heavily involved' in bringing guys like Guerin and Comrie in, that speaks volumes about Snow's ineptitude as a GM. Snow is supposed to assemble the team. We can talk all we want about mistakes Nolan made as a coach, but the Islanders have done a brutal job trading thus far. First Wang signs Yashin to a ridiculous contract, then buys him out, then realizes the team has no offense and contacts Yashin about returning on a one-year deal. Dipietro saddled with another ridiculously long contract which is already a bust, given the number of injuries he's sustained over the past two seasons. The extremely ill-advised decision to sell the farm to acquire Smyth as a rental in 06-07 which blew up in the organization's face. Trading DOWN in the draft, thereby failing to acquire a blue-chip prospect around which to build. And now forking over far too much cash and term for Mark Streit when the team is in shambles and doesn't have the existing pieces in place for a power-play specialist like Streit to be really effective.

Not too much compared the others defenseman

Finger 3,5

Commodore 3,750

Hainsey 4,5

Rosivzal 5

Redden 6,5

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Ted Nolan will never get another job in the NHL in his life.

After he tried to stab his GM in Buffalo in the back it took him too long to get a job.

Now he has troubles with the GM to give him his second chance ? Don't think another GM will be wetting himself to give him another shot.

Good coach, but does not know how to be an organization man.

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Ted Nolan will never get another job in the NHL in his life.

After he tried to stab his GM in Buffalo in the back it took him too long to get a job.

Now he has troubles with the GM to give him his second chance ? Don't think another GM will be wetting himself to give him another shot.

Good coach, but does not know how to be an organization man.

I think you're right on Miltie, now I won't say I know what happened behind the scenes but I've heard the stories and there's a reason a guy who won coach of the year was so quickly out of the league, and out of the league for a very sustained period of time.

This wasn't Garth Snow's coach, and like Claude when BG took over, you're basically on borrowed time. A new GM eventually wants to get his own guys in there and run it his way. Good coach, but expect to see him riding the buses in the Q for a long time.

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The reason is Nolan offended the old white boys club that runs this league, it had nothing to do with stabbing anyone in the back. As if John Muckler is some sort of paragon of ethics, give me a break. :rolleyes:

Snow's an idiot who knows zip about being a GM. He's just as bad as Milbury was. Look at what this organization's done in the past 5-6 years and tell me with a straight face that they're going in the right direction, and that Nolan was the person who had to go. Did Nolan give Dipietro a 15-year contract? Did Nolan sign Yashin to a 10-year contract, then buy him out without replacing his output, then try to bring him back a year later after belatedly realizing they had no offense without him? Did Nolan mortgage the farm to acquire Ryan Smyth, then fail to re-sign him in the offseason? Did Nolan trade down in the draft when the franchise desperately needed an impact player around which to build?

I'm sure Nolan was tough to work with, and he certainly made mistakes. But the Islanders are a mess from top to bottom. Despite that, Nolan was still able to take that team into the playoffs in 06-07 when they had no business being in the postseason.

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The reason is Nolan offended the old white boys club that runs this league, it had nothing to do with stabbing anyone in the back. As if John Muckler is some sort of paragon of ethics, give me a break. :rolleyes:

Snow's an idiot who knows zip about being a GM. He's just as bad as Milbury was. Look at what this organization's done in the past 5-6 years and tell me with a straight face that they're going in the right direction, and that Nolan was the person who had to go. Did Nolan give Dipietro a 15-year contract? Did Nolan sign Yashin to a 10-year contract, then buy him out without replacing his output, then try to bring him back a year later after belatedly realizing they had no offense without him? Did Nolan mortgage the farm to acquire Ryan Smyth, then fail to re-sign him in the offseason? Did Nolan trade down in the draft when the franchise desperately needed an impact player around which to build?

I'm sure Nolan was tough to work with, and he certainly made mistakes. But the Islanders are a mess from top to bottom. Despite that, Nolan was still able to take that team into the playoffs in 06-07 when they had no business being in the postseason.

Racism is a pretty strong accusation Weep, I hope you can justify it......

Before the summer the guy was fired he had been hounding the owner that his GM should be fired and he should get his job.....now tell me which GM would want to hire him after that? Ted Nolan is a good coach, but you won't get a job if you have a history of trying to screw your boss....regardless of your ethnic bachground.

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Racism is a pretty strong accusation Weep, I hope you can justify it......

Miltie, historically, racism has always been tough to justify, because it so often took place behind closed doors, unverifiable by public record. The black job prospect who kept getting turned away by white employers in, say, the '50s, might not have had a justifiable case either. There was nothing he could prove. But racism was definitely rampant in hiring policies then, as we found out afterwards.

NHL GMs are all middle-aged or older white male Canadians. Every single one of them. It's a cultural and racial fraternity, and to pretend that there are no incidents of racial discrimination just because there's no public evidence is naive IMO.

Before the summer the guy was fired he had been hounding the owner that his GM should be fired and he should get his job.....now tell me which GM would want to hire him after that? Ted Nolan is a good coach, but you won't get a job if you have a history of trying to screw your boss....regardless of your ethnic bachground.

Like I said, Nolan did make mistakes, but I firmly believe that if he were white, he'd have been given ample opportunity to atone for his mistakes. The Emery case in Ottawa is no different.

Since we're on the subject, what evidence do you have to prove that Nolan was trying to get Snow fired?

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Miltie, historically, racism has always been tough to justify, because it so often took place behind closed doors, unverifiable by public record. The black job prospect who kept getting turned away by white employers in, say, the '50s, might not have had a justifiable case either. There was nothing he could prove. But racism was definitely rampant in hiring policies then, as we found out afterwards.

NHL GMs are all middle-aged or older white male Canadians. Every single one of them. It's a cultural and racial fraternity, and to pretend that there are no incidents of racial discrimination just because there's no public evidence is naive IMO.

Like I said, Nolan did make mistakes, but I firmly believe that if he were white, he'd have been given ample opportunity to atone for his mistakes. The Emery case in Ottawa is no different.

Since we're on the subject, what evidence do you have to prove that Nolan was trying to get Snow fired?

You misunderstand, Snow was the guy who gave him a chance , he tried to get his first GM fired, and that is why he needed said chance.

Sometimes people think racism when all there is to it is nobody likes to be around a *****. And jackasses come in all colours, races and creads.

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You misunderstand, Snow was the guy who gave him a chance , he tried to get his first GM fired, and that is why he needed said chance.

Uh, no, Snow didn't hire Nolan. Neil Smith hired Nolan. And Neil Smith was fired by Charles Wang after a month on the job. And we're supposed to think Nolan's the problem and not the Islanders organization? That sure is one well-run franchise.

And I'll tell you something: no coach likes it when one of his players has a direct line to upper management. It completely undermines his authority.

Sometimes people think racism when all there is to it is nobody likes to be around a *****. And jackasses come in all colours, races and creads.

Your opinion against mine. Nolan took his team into the playoffs when they had no business being there. He's a former Jack Adams Trophy winner. Garth Snow, on the other hand, has done squat as a GM, and in fact has made some pretty questionable decisions in his brief tenure. Time may prove me wrong, but I still think this firing is a mistake and just further proof that the Islanders are a complete mess from top to bottom.

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This wasn't Garth Snow's coach, and like Claude when BG took over, you're basically on borrowed time. A new GM eventually wants to get his own guys in there and run it his way. Good coach, but expect to see him riding the buses in the Q for a long time.

I realize that generally new GM's do quickly replace the current coach, but I think I read somewhere that Therrien was already in place in Pittsburgh when the new GM came in. Now he has received a new 3 year contract, despite all his critics. I guess that, if true, this would be one of the few exceptions to this generally accepted practice.

I feel sorry for Nolan, as he obviously is a good coach, and now after being out of the NHL for so long, could be gone again for an extended period of time.

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Uh, no, Snow didn't hire Nolan. Neil Smith hired Nolan. And Neil Smith was fired by Charles Wang after a month on the job. And we're supposed to think Nolan's the problem and not the Islanders organization? That sure is one well-run franchise.

And I'll tell you something: no coach likes it when one of his players has a direct line to upper management. It completely undermines his authority.

Your opinion against mine. Nolan took his team into the playoffs when they had no business being there. He's a former Jack Adams Trophy winner. Garth Snow, on the other hand, has done squat as a GM, and in fact has made some pretty questionable decisions in his brief tenure. Time may prove me wrong, but I still think this firing is a mistake and just further proof that the Islanders are a complete mess from top to bottom.

I was refering to when Nolan was the coach in Buffalo. He tried to screw his GM in Buffalo, and that is why he took so long to get another job in the NHL.

And never think that I admire Garth Snow and the NYI. I was just pointing out that the Islanders were the one NHL team crazy enough to give him another shot, and we get drama again.

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