FlHabsFan Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AlVd...p&type=lgns SAGUENAY, Quebec (AP)—The son of Hall of Fame goaltender Patrick Roy has been charged with assaulting a rival during a Major Junior Hockey League playoff game last March. Quebec Remparts goaltender Jonathan Roy, 19, faces one count of assault against Chicoutimi Sagueneens goalie Bobby Nadeau. The single charge was filed Thursday in Saguenay, where the brawl occurred. In a fracas that was replayed countless times across the Canada, Jonathan Roy skated the length of the ice and pummeled Nadeau, who made no attempt to fight back. It was the most notable of a series of fights between the heated Quebec league rivals. Patrick Roy, the Remparts’ coach and general manager, was suspended for five games and his son for seven over the melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomto Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 It was a stupid action from Jonathan's part. He had no reason to do such an action, so now he will face the consequences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 My question is how come Patrick Roy is not being charged? Is he not the coach? I realize Jonathan has to take resposibility for his own actions; but doesn't "Saint Patrick" have to shoulder some of that reponsibility? After all he is in charge of that bench, he is responsible for his players....He should be held accountable as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted August 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Depends. Can they prove he encouraged the attack? If not, then there isnt a case. However, theres blatantly a case against his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Depends. Can they prove he encouraged the attack? If not, then there isnt a case. However, theres blatantly a case against his son. I understand what you're saying but he is still technically responsible for his players. I just don't see how isn't accountable on some level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-Komisarek-8 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 It was a stupid action from Jonathan's part. He had no reason to do such an action, so now he will face the consequences Indeed,good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted August 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I understand what you're saying but he is still technically responsible for his players. I just don't see how isn't accountable on some level. He is, but probably not from a criminal stand point since he didnt partake nor encourage. Probably moreso from a civil case for the reasons you state. Even then, it may be iffy I do admit I dont know much about Quebec laws though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 This will be great for his rap/singing career. what happened to the great goalie...the great person that Patrick was? He has turned into a monster ...and his son seems to have an EGO that must have led his brain to do such a DUMB thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynch_mtl Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 He is, but probably not from a criminal stand point since he didnt partake nor encourage. Probably moreso from a civil case for the reasons you state. Even then, it may be iffy I do admit I dont know much about Quebec laws though. He didn't encourage? It's been a while since I've seen the video, but didn't Patrick whistle to get his son's attention(or something like that) and point at the other goalie? I'm not saying Pat should face any consequences, but he did encourage his son though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren19 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 He didn't encourage? It's been a while since I've seen the video, but didn't Patrick whistle to get his son's attention(or something like that) and point at the other goalie? I'm not saying Pat should face any consequences, but he did encourage his son though. They were never any proof that he encouraged his son to go fight the other goalie. His gestures look more like he has telling his son to get to the bench. His son on the other hand looks to be another butthole like Lafleur's eldest son and Pat Burn's son which both went to my high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlHabsFan Posted August 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Yep. Unless it can be proven that he was telling him to get the other goalie, his defense would be that he was telling him to get to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 My question is how come Patrick Roy is not being charged? Is he not the coach? I realize Jonathan has to take resposibility for his own actions; but doesn't "Saint Patrick" have to shoulder some of that reponsibility? After all he is in charge of that bench, he is responsible for his players....He should be held accountable as well. I don't think criminally he can be held liable. In these cases it's going to come down to what was reasonably expected in a hockey game. You can take a couple of extremes, on the one extreme you have a bodycheck - perfectly legal in a hockey game and by signing up for hockey you are saying it's okay for guys to do what outside of hockey would be assault. One the other extreme you have a hockey player coming on the ice with a gun and shooting somebody - even if this happens in the context of a hockey game it's obviously a criminal matter. Then you get into the grey area between these. For example, getting elbowed, while against hockey rules, it would probably be argued that by signing up for hockey there was a reasonable risk of it heppening, despite not being within the rules. But you've also got a case like Steve Moore in this grey area. In this case, I think it would be argued that Patrick encouraging his son to fight was borderline acceptable within the context of the game. However, Jonathon beating on someone who didn't try to provoke him and didn't accept a fight will probably be seen as assult going beyond what could be expected in hockey. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd guess that's how it would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Shamefull......Patrick is just as guilty as his son. The reports all said his kid was going to the bench until he caught a look at his father. It is then that he changed direction and went after the other goalie. Even if you think you have to do something like this to be part of the team, after hitting the guy a few times with no response common sense has to kick in and tell you...THE GUY ISN"T FIGHTING BACK, MAYBE I SHOULD STOP BEATING HIM !!!! Fighting shouldn't be allowed in Junior in the first place. They are big boys, but they are just kids. Save it for the pros where you are paid to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Jonathan Roy pleads not guilty to assault in QMJHL fight last March http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=38213...mp;service=page The lawyers are definitely in charge now. If found guilty he could face a maximum fine of $2000 or 6 months in jail though I doubt either will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 They were never any proof that he encouraged his son to go fight the other goalie. His gestures look more like he has telling his son to get to the bench. From what i saw patrick roy was trying to get his son to the bench and same with the players but there was like 10 fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puckoff1 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 here we go, its patricks fault. oh boy. by the way..he WAS held accountable. he was suspended 5 games. as far as being criminally charged that is not even an intelligent debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kx250 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Roy,s son is a head case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 In this case, I think it would be argued that Patrick encouraging his son to fight was borderline acceptable within the context of the game. However, Jonathon beating on someone who didn't try to provoke him and didn't accept a fight will probably be seen as assult going beyond what could be expected in hockey. I would agree with this, spot on. While I dont condone patrick's actions, it looks little more to me than "hey, Jonathon, if you want to go down there..go!" - you cant take roy's actions without jonathon's - he skated to center & ice & then hovered in circles - pat simply pointed & shrugged - which leads me to believe it was more of a "if you want to, do it" than "GO DO IT" And like you've pointed out, Graeme, even if he flat out told his player/son "you should go down there" its a lot different to "go down there & beat the snot out of the other kid, even if he doesnt fight back" You could certainly question Roy's parenting skills if his son believes its ok to pummel an unwilling combatant, but that is not a legal argument/decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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