zenderjetta Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/1768...other-team.html Wow, according to THN Meszaros has signed an offer sheet an will be leaving Ottawa What a blow if this turns out to be true, he's a very talented young defensemen and Ottawa has already lost Redden this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/1768...other-team.html Wow, according to THN Meszaros has signed an offer sheet an will be leaving Ottawa What a blow if this turns out to be true, he's a very talented young defensemen and Ottawa has already lost Redden this season. It does say he signed an offersheet, you're right, but it doesn't say he's leaving. Ottawa can still match the offersheet and keep him. If it's over 5 million as the article says, Ottawa will get a nice package of draft picks as compensation, (I THINK it's a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, but it may just be a 1st and 3rd). We'll see. What Ottawa could do is take the picks, use some excess picks (2nd+3rd) to make a trade for Schneider as a 1 year stop gap and a very good DMan, then use the money they saved in next year's UFA pool to make a pitch for a guy like JayBo. Should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Rock--33 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Who sent the offer sheet? But still a blow to the Sens. They only wanted to pay Mezaros 3.45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Teams are going to be handcuffed like crazy with RFA's demanding these huge contracts now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Teams are going to be handcuffed like crazy with RFA's demanding these huge contracts now. The salaries are constrained due to the cap, but what I don't like is it favours teams who don't draft well. They can just buy their way out of the bad drafting by using the cap space they have because they don't have their own youngsters to spend it on to take a player from a team who drafts well and can't afford everyone. Offer sheets plus the low UFA age are bad news for teams like Montreal who try to build from within. These teams draft well, develop the player for years, and let him play when he's not particularly useful; and then the crappy teams like Toronto can swoop in and take him. Some people say the salary cap favours good drafting, and so far it has, but I think that is changing as teams figure out offer sheets and the low UFA age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 The salaries are constrained due to the cap, but what I don't like is it favours teams who don't draft well. They can just buy their way out of the bad drafting by using the cap space they have because they don't have their own youngsters to spend it on to take a player from a team who drafts well and can't afford everyone. Offer sheets plus the low UFA age are bad news for teams like Montreal who try to build from within. These teams draft well, develop the player for years, and let him play when he's not particularly useful; and then the crappy teams like Toronto can swoop in and take him. Some people say the salary cap favours good drafting, and so far it has, but I think that is changing as teams figure out offer sheets and the low UFA age. Well I am of a different mind on this one Graeme. How many offer sheets can a team afford at the expense of possibly losing their draft picks especially if one player is gained for possibly 2 or 3 players lost in the draft. In the long run it will catch up with any GM who tries to build a good chunk of his team through offer sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Well I am of a different mind on this one Graeme. How many offer sheets can a team afford at the expense of possibly losing their draft picks especially if one player is gained for possibly 2 or 3 players lost in the draft. In the long run it will catch up with any GM who tries to build a good chunk of his team through offer sheets. I don't think any GM is planning on building a team through offersheets because you simply lose too many assets overall. I think it's a nice weapon to add a guy here or there, or put a cap strapped rival into more trouble. I think the teams who use the offersheet more often then not (excluding special talents) will be the better teams, who are good with cap room to spare. Weak teams probably can't afford to give up elite draft picks, and a good portion of very good teams are probably reasonably tight to the cap... So I don't think it will be a huge epidemic or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Well I am of a different mind on this one Graeme. How many offer sheets can a team afford at the expense of possibly losing their draft picks especially if one player is gained for possibly 2 or 3 players lost in the draft. In the long run it will catch up with any GM who tries to build a good chunk of his team through offer sheets. That's a good point. However, if used sparingly enough it's not that big of a deal, as long as you avoid the 6 million plus or whatever that gives away a bunch of firsts. I'd say a first, second, and third is worth a dman of Meszaros's calibre. With drafting there are huge risks, with the offer sheet you know what you are getting, so losing 3 picks for one player isn't as big of a deal since all 3 of those picks likely wouldn't all play in the NHL anyways and you get a good player. But you're point is valid that it won't happen all the time, but I still think it favours the poor drafting teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL-Expert Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I realy wanna know who's the team my guess Vancouver Columbus Phoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 That's a good point. However, if used sparingly enough it's not that big of a deal, as long as you avoid the 6 million plus or whatever that gives away a bunch of firsts. I'd say a first, second, and third is worth a dman of Meszaros's calibre. With drafting there are huge risks, with the offer sheet you know what you are getting, so losing 3 picks for one player isn't as big of a deal since all 3 of those picks likely wouldn't all play in the NHL anyways and you get a good player. But you're point is valid that it won't happen all the time, but I still think it favours the poor drafting teams. It is a matter of (possible) short term gain for (guaranteed) long term loss (lack of prospects in the system). I just look at Toronto (a poor drafting team) who has sacrificed their future (draft picks) for years for so-called established players. They finally realize that they need to restock the farm and rebuild from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoked-b Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 According to TSN, Ottawa denies the report. - TSN (Video on the right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 It is a matter of (possible) short term gain for (guaranteed) long term loss (lack of prospects in the system). I just look at Toronto (a poor drafting team) who has sacrificed their future (draft picks) for years for so-called established players. They finally realize that they need to restock the farm and rebuild from within. Yes but Meszaros is only 22. Toronto traded away their picks for rental players they had for 3 months, maximum 1 or 2 years. Here you'd be getting a young player locked up long term. So you are basically getting someone similar to what you'd get with a draft pick except he's ready now, you don't need to develop him, etc. That said, I think this report is all made up. The original report was that Tampa's owners threatened an offer sheet if Ottawa didn't trade Meszaros to them. However, they don't have the necessary picks to do so and would need to pull off a trade first. I don't believe an offer sheet was ever signed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 According to TSN, Ottawa denies the report. - TSN (Video on the right) interesting. i guess we'll find out soon enough. if ottawa ends up paying him 5mil i think it's safe to say he was tendered a sheet. it would be a coup to get him out of ottawa. i hope it is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenderjetta Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Yes but Meszaros is only 22. Toronto traded away their picks for rental players they had for 3 months, maximum 1 or 2 years. Here you'd be getting a young player locked up long term. So you are basically getting someone similar to what you'd get with a draft pick except he's ready now, you don't need to develop him, etc. That said, I think this report is all made up. The original report was that Tampa's owners threatened an offer sheet if Ottawa didn't trade Meszaros to them. However, they don't have the necessary picks to do so and would need to pull off a trade first. I don't believe an offer sheet was ever signed here. Haha the Tampa Bay owners are all class if it's true - here's more from THN. http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/1769...-the-works.html And we thought that Kevin Lowe kicked up a stink in the old boys club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopII Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Traded to Lightning for a first rounder, Picard and Kuba: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=247902&...s=topStory_main Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boullionfan13 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Tampa wins this trade BIG TIME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koreysecord1992 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 The northeast got a little more open after this one. The end of last year really showed Ottawa's weaknesses and with the departure of Redden and now Meszaros their D is going to be in pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 first rounder Always good Picard Top 4 offensive D Kuba Nothing special Tamba wins the trade but not by alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauro-Biello Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 first rounder Always good Picard Top 4 offensive D Kuba Nothing special Tamba wins the trade but not by alot. I don't think Picard is Top 4 yet, he sure has the potential though Kuba is not too special, not too solid defensively, but he does have the ability to play an offensive game, plus he has experience. A first round is always good yes. For now, I'd say the deal was 50/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Tampa wins this trade BIG TIME lol Tampa doesn't win nothing in this trade, this team is gonna fell off big time within 2 or 3 years, it's gonna be totally impossible for them to keep everybody. Even with meszaros tampa still has no D, and a very questionable goal tender, what a stupid bunch of new owners to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s-k-11 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 lol Tampa doesn't win nothing in this trade, this team is gonna fell off big time within 2 or 3 years, it's gonna be totally impossible for them to keep everybody. Even with meszaros tampa still has no D, and a very questionable goal tender, what a stupid bunch of new owners to be honest. Not 2 mention with all the new faces it will be hard to find there chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 first rounder Always good Picard Top 4 offensive D Kuba Nothing special Tamba wins the trade but not by alot. Picard is a forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 And if the Tampa $5M offer was true, Ottawa could of got a lot more than what they got in the trade. But I guess they don't want to accept the fact that they have to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauro-Biello Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Picard is a forward. There's 2 Picard, one's a winger the other's a D man and I think this one's a Dman, the guy originally drafted from Philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 There's 2 Picard, one's a winger the other's a D man and I think this one's a Dman, the guy originally drafted from Philly Ah okay. The TSN article had Picards link to the forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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