Lynch_mtl Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Yeah, and maybe we turned down Iginla from Calgary because he makes 1.725 more per year then Tanguay. that's funny. good point too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Dandy his going to hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future-canadian Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Ya we got breezer back im so happy ya i can take my jersy out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dintrox12 Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 I just hope we didn't turn down a HAVLAT from Chicago because he came at about $1.5MM more than Lang.... catch my drift.? Havlat are you serious?? Can we say injury prone.. Last season he played 35 games, the year before that 56, etc..... so lets cut the difference 42 games for $4 + 1.5 = $5.5M .. Breezer has a good shot at the point. He is role player (no complaints about the press box and he stepped up when needed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bailey1 Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 I'm really happy Patrice is back! He wants to play here, and that matters to me...and I'm sure BG holds that into account aswell. This guy bleeds B-B-R...so I don't see a problem. Breezer FTW!!! ps. Where's his player thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanjordan Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Happy to see Breezer back, he is liked guy and for a cheap price tag he is a nice asset. With Streit gone Breezer might see some more PP time and might be able to contribute there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 What if the players extend the CBA before training camp? Because it's very likely to happen, i've hear the NHPA is meeting with Gary Bettman next week, if that happen im pretty sure the cap it is only 750k. Where did you here this? I figured either the NHLPA would have done it before July 1 to maximize player's value or wait until after the season. It also seems weird because I believe they need to hold a vote by every member for something like this (not just a board decision) and lots of players are still in Europe and we didn't hear anything about a vote. But yes, if they extend it, then we get the bonus cushion back, so the cap hit is less than a million. By the way (not topic related at all) This question goes to the mods or admin whatever. Why can't we edit our own post? I mean ive been on dozens of forum and no matter how old my post are, i can edit them at any time (even a year later if i want) But here.... let's say i post here and make a mistake in my post, i go on another thread and then realize my mistake, so i comeback here and i can't even edit my post like 1 minute later (just the fact that im going into another thread makes my post uneditable...) this is quite annoying sometimes The feature was abused in the past, so there is a 5 minute window. Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I understand now. Well, yes, I am not wild about a $1.5 million cap hit for Breezer at all, but if Gainey wasn't planning to use the cap space, it's a moot point from our perspective, and if he was planning to use it, we can still free up more space by trading Dandenault, Begin, Bouillon, etc. I don't like it, but I'll live with it. Well ya, that cap space may just sit there anyways. I'm not overly concerned with cap space, and like I said I'm fine with Lang making 4 million which may be slightly overpaid. However, at the same time there is a chance something does come up where you need the space. While I wouldn't not get a player who can help us for the odd chance something does come up, what I don't like is this feels like we just threw cap space away. If Brisebois required a 1.5 million cap hit, that would be one thing, but I can't help feeling that at this point in his career he could have easily be had for less than a million (and he probably would have traded 700k in 'money you might get' for 200k that he 'will get'). I don't know what went on at that negotiating table, but this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But hopefully the people above are right that the NHLPA extends it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-1 Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Where did you here this? I figured either the NHLPA would have done it before July 1 to maximize player's value or wait until after the season. It also seems weird because I believe they need to hold a vote by every member for something like this (not just a board decision) and lots of players are still in Europe and we didn't hear anything about a vote. But yes, if they extend it, then we get the bonus cushion back, so the cap hit is less than a million.(second time writing all of this, I hate this board for technical reasons sometimes) well, first of all, it's not a matter of the NHLPA 'extending' the CBA, that won't be an issue until 2011... it's a matter of the NHLPA NOT terminating the deal early, and doing it in a manner that is acceptable to the NHL... for example, if the NHLPA will only verbally agree to not terminate, the league can say that's not good enough, or, if agreeing to not terminate requires a vote of the NHLPA membership (I don't know if it does, I'll try to check with a few sources who should know), the league can say it won't even accept a written agreement if the NHLPA membership has not already agreed to it... the CBA doesn't specify how the NHLPA can decline to terminate the deal early except for the passage of the deadline, which doesn't help the NHLPA since the deadline is after the season... basically, it all depends on how difficult the NHL wants to make this for the NHLPA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 you can edit your own posts, it's just that you only get a 5 minute window of time to do it in. After that it's uneditable. not once you moved to another thread and then comeback to the thread you want to edit in (even in a 1 minute delay it doesn't work) Where did you here this? I figured either the NHLPA would have done it before July 1 to maximize player's value or wait until after the season. It also seems weird because I believe they need to hold a vote by every member for something like this (not just a board decision) and lots of players are still in Europe and we didn't hear anything about a vote. But yes, if they extend it, then we get the bonus cushion back, so the cap hit is less than a million. Yvon Pednault was talking about it friday night on 110%, he said the meeting would be most likely on monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenderjetta Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Happy to see Breezer back, he is liked guy and for a cheap price tag he is a nice asset. With Streit gone Breezer might see some more PP time and might be able to contribute there. Agree completely. Add in his positive comments and attitude all season last year - even when not getting huge minutes - and I think it's a great depth move. Is his cap hit 750K salary + 750K potential bonuses or 750K salary + 750K automatic bonuses? If half his potential cap hit is in bonuses this move looks even better. 1.5 is a bit much but we have the space and it's a one year contract so it won't affect our ability to sign all our quality RFAs and UFAs next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Is his cap hit 750K salary + 750K potential bonuses or 750K salary + 750K automatic bonuses? If half his potential cap hit is in bonuses this move looks even better. 1.5 is a bit much but we have the space and it's a one year contract so it won't affect our ability to sign all our quality RFAs and UFAs next season. I believe the bonuses are potential, but if you read the last page, you'll see that, at least for now, they count against the cap either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronixx Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 brisebois at 1.5 million is a rip off unless he thinks we will need him to go for a cup run and or pavel valentenko has slowed in his development... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssfffs Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 nahh hes great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortwinkler Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 It's all I have to say about re-signing Breezer. A $1.5 million bench warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 It's all I have to say about re-signing Breezer. A $1.5 million bench warmer. It's what Laraque will be for most of the season, and his contract runs for three years at only slightly less cash, yet I don't see anyone making a fuss about his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911fred Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 I dont even see why people are making a big fuss about the brisby signing anyway. hes not that terrible, hes getting paid the same as last year, so what makes you think that Bob should give him less money? Brisby had a great season last year. And about laraque, hes one of the toughest grinders in the league, the salary is only fitting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 It's what Laraque will be for most of the season, and his contract runs for three years at only slightly less cash, yet I don't see anyone making a fuss about his contract. The difference here though is we had to give that to Laraque if we wanted him here. I believe he had a slightly better offer from Edmonton: if we wanted Laraque, that was the price we had to pay. Now whether or not we should have acquired him is certainly debateable, but that was his price. With Brisebois, I just don't see any way we had to offer him that much. And from his perspective, wouldn't he be willing to give up the bonuses if we maybe gave him a couple hundred thousand extra in base salary? I'm sure we could have gotten him with a cap hit under a million. I dont even see why people are making a big fuss about the brisby signing anyway. hes not that terrible, hes getting paid the same as last year, so what makes you think that Bob should give him less money? Brisby had a great season last year. Well, a couple of points here. For one, from a cap perspective, last year he was only making 700k, the bonuses didn't really affect the cap. This year the bonuses affect the cap, so his hit is basically double. But also, he's a player on the downside of his career, and showing it. Additionally, last season we were bringing him in to have a regular spot on our defense, possibly as high as the #4 dman. This year it seems like he's being signed to be a 6th-7th dman. So even the bonus, cap issue aside, I don't think it would have been unreasonable for him to take less (that all said, the cap rising offsets a bit of it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alzimutg Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 The difference here though is we had to give that to Laraque if we wanted him here. I believe he had a slightly better offer from Edmonton: if we wanted Laraque, that was the price we had to pay. Now whether or not we should have acquired him is certainly debateable, but that was his price. With Brisebois, I just don't see any way we had to offer him that much. And from his perspective, wouldn't he be willing to give up the bonuses if we maybe gave him a couple hundred thousand extra in base salary? I'm sure we could have gotten him with a cap hit under a million. Well, a couple of points here. For one, from a cap perspective, last year he was only making 700k, the bonuses didn't really affect the cap. This year the bonuses affect the cap, so his hit is basically double. But also, he's a player on the downside of his career, and showing it. Additionally, last season we were bringing him in to have a regular spot on our defense, possibly as high as the #4 dman. This year it seems like he's being signed to be a 6th-7th dman. So even the bonus, cap issue aside, I don't think it would have been unreasonable for him to take less (that all said, the cap rising offsets a bit of it). How do you know where Brisebois will play or how many games he will be in the line-up? He played a lot with Hamrlik last season and he will probably be paired with him again this season. Obyrne is still learning, same for Gorges. And Brisebois said he missed 53 matches to reach the 1000 games plateau in the NHL. Expect him to play those games.... I think Lang (third center) at 4M$ is a bigger problem, even if the trade does make our team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squ1g33 Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 not to mention about some people saying that he provides depth during injuries...... Man, if we need to fall back on Breezer at any point as a D man higher than #7 then we are in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 How do you know where Brisebois will play or how many games he will be in the line-up? He played a lot with Hamrlik last season and he will probably be paired with him again this season. Obyrne is still learning, same for Gorges. And Brisebois said he missed 53 matches to reach the 1000 games plateau in the NHL. Expect him to play those games.... I think Lang (third center) at 4M$ is a bigger problem, even if the trade does make our team better. Look at how many times he was a healthy scratch last year: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/gamelo...74&team=Mtl Considering we haven't lost any dmen (Streit played forward), and Gorges and O'Byrne are more experienced than last year, I'd say Brisebois is being brought in as a 7th dman here. He may play more games, depending on injuries, but I think it's fair to say that we are expecting less of him this year than were were when we signed him last year. And Brisebois doesn't get to pick when he plays or not. And I seriously hope Carbo doesn't start making decisions for Brisebois instead of the team just so he can reach the milestone. Lang may be a bit overpaid, but the difference is that price was non-negotiable. It was like I said with Laraque, it was the price we had to pay. With Brisebois, I just can't see us having to take a 1.5 million cap hit to get him. I'm not too concerned with cap space, but at the same time I don't want to throw it away, which it feels like is what we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 How do you know where Brisebois will play or how many games he will be in the line-up? He played a lot with Hamrlik last season and he will probably be paired with him again this season. Obyrne is still learning, same for Gorges. And Brisebois said he missed 53 matches to reach the 1000 games plateau in the NHL. Expect him to play those games.... I think Lang (third center) at 4M$ is a bigger problem, even if the trade does make our team better. Gorges has a full-time position in the line-up, period. O'Byrne essentially has a starting spot as well. Brisebois is simply an insurance policy, and I will be very surprised if he is a starter if the team is healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 $1.5M isn't that much when the cap is like $56M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alzimutg Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Look at how many times he was a healthy scratch last year: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/gamelo...74&team=Mtl Considering we haven't lost any dmen (Streit played forward), and Gorges and O'Byrne are more experienced than last year, I'd say Brisebois is being brought in as a 7th dman here. He may play more games, depending on injuries, but I think it's fair to say that we are expecting less of him this year than were were when we signed him last year. And Brisebois doesn't get to pick when he plays or not. And I seriously hope Carbo doesn't start making decisions for Brisebois instead of the team just so he can reach the milestone. Lang may be a bit overpaid, but the difference is that price was non-negotiable. It was like I said with Laraque, it was the price we had to pay. With Brisebois, I just can't see us having to take a 1.5 million cap hit to get him. I'm not too concerned with cap space, but at the same time I don't want to throw it away, which it feels like is what we did. Well then: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?i...e=nhl-canadiens He played more than Obyrne....I admit Gorges played more than I though, but with a raising cap, 1, 5 M is not that bad at all. And I still think he will play his 53 games...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyle00cdn Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Brisebois actually brings many things to this team that may not be directly visible on the ice from game to game. There's a reason why Brisebois was on the ice in the playoffs last year when the pressure got immensely high. He's seen it all. Certainly his prime is well past him, but the ability to stay calm under the sea of playoff pressure that harbours over the city of Montreal, sometime overshadows the talent that gets muffled by the stress of playing under the gun. Brisebois is the only player currently on our roster who has experienced Stanley Cup pressure in the city of Montreal first hand. He's also seen the worst this city has to offer. Throughout his career his been both vilified and treated like a hero in Montreal. Given that this is the Habs' centennial season, the fans are not only going to have high expectation, they are going to demand high results, turning on key players at any given point of the season. Let's face it, we may be the most exciting fan base, but we're also the least merciful. His value inside Montreal is going to be slightly more than his value outside, because some of the things that he brings to the table are irrelevant outside of Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Brisebois actually brings many things to this team that may not be directly visible on the ice from game to game. There's a reason why Brisebois was on the ice in the playoffs last year when the pressure got immensely high. He's seen it all. Certainly his prime is well past him, but the ability to stay calm under the sea of playoff pressure that harbours over the city of Montreal, sometime overshadows the talent that gets muffled by the stress of playing under the gun. Brisebois is the only player currently on our roster who has experienced Stanley Cup pressure in the city of Montreal first hand. He's also seen the worst this city has to offer. Throughout his career his been both vilified and treated like a hero in Montreal. Given that this is the Habs' centennial season, the fans are not only going to have high expectation, they are going to demand high results, turning on key players at any given point of the season. Let's face it, we may be the most exciting fan base, but we're also the least merciful. His value inside Montreal is going to be slightly more than his value outside, because some of the things that he brings to the table are irrelevant outside of Montreal. Every Hab fan should read this post !!! Very insightful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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