Kubby31 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 is this the plaec to post this? either way RDS is now saying that the Habs will talk with 5 of their UFA's after the draft, the other players have apparently been told they wouldn't receive an offer, those 5 players are Mike Komisarek, Saku Koivu, Alex Tanguay, Alex Kovalev and Mathieu Schneider http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/277159.html Komisarek's will be interesting,suppose??? GONEEEEEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Reasonable money AND term. Say one year at $1.5 million. But we gave that same money to Brisebois last year. So you know Gainey is going to overpay for Schneider. I like Schneider, but he's 40 fricking years old. Instead of keeping him around as a PP crutch, how about we actually try to develop Weber or AK46 at the right point? In any case, I just hope Schneider is the bottom of the UFA priority barrel. If we have spare cap space left over after the core of the team is in place, sure, why not see if he'll re-up? I agree with short term ( real short). I would suspect he would be at the bottom of priorities with other avenues explored beforehand. I would however take a 40 year old Shneider over a 40 year old Brisebois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babinator77 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I agree with short term ( real short). I would suspect he would be at the bottom of priorities with other avenues explored beforehand. I would however take a 40 year old Shneider over a 40 year old Brisebois. agreed. weep, i'd be surprised if martin (who has been known to develop young talent) relied on schneider. if he were paid a breezer contract to play the same type of role - step in if the kids struggle and provide leadership in the room, especially on the back end - i'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 For the right price I'd love to have Dandenault on the team, and even ignoring how much they'll probably make I'd take him over Schneider. The way I see it if Schneider signs they'll stick him in the top 4 where he'll be playing way too many minutes a game to be effective for a whole year. He'll also be taking that roster spot from someone else (I'd particularly like to see O'Byrne cautiously given more responsability this year). I disagree. If Schneider is here, he'd likely be used as a powerplay specialist exclusively, playing on the third pairing at even strength to provide veteran stability to a younger player. Unless Martin has taken leave of his senses, there's no way he gives Schneider top-four minutes through an entire regular season unless the team is riddled with injuries and he has no other choice. Dandenault is a useful spare part, but just that: a spare part. As in, replaceable, low priority. And given that he's only in his early '30s, he'll likely want something more than a one-year deal, whereas Schneider at age 40 should expect to be working on one-year deals until he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I disagree. If Schneider is here, he'd likely be used as a powerplay specialist exclusively, playing on the third pairing at even strength to provide veteran stability to a younger player. Unless Martin has taken leave of his senses, there's no way he gives Schneider top-four minutes through an entire regular season unless the team is riddled with injuries and he has no other choice. Thats exactly the way i would see it going down if we resign him. Dandenault is a useful spare part, but just that: a spare part. As in, replaceable, low priority. And given that he's only in his early '30s, he'll likely want something more than a one-year deal, whereas Schneider at age 40 should expect to be working on one-year deals until he retires. I loved Dandy's versatility and also wouldnt be upset to see him back,,, but i agree that he is a replaceble commodity.If his role were simply as a 4th liner or number 6, 7 Dman then i would much rather give the minutes to a prospect,,, unless he would accept between league minimum to no more then 750K ( which i don't see happening). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Francis Boullin is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Francis Boullin is gone. Surprising with Gainey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I disagree. If Schneider is here, he'd likely be used as a powerplay specialist exclusively, playing on the third pairing at even strength to provide veteran stability to a younger player. Unless Martin has taken leave of his senses, there's no way he gives Schneider top-four minutes through an entire regular season unless the team is riddled with injuries and he has no other choice. Dandenault is a useful spare part, but just that: a spare part. As in, replaceable, low priority. And given that he's only in his early '30s, he'll likely want something more than a one-year deal, whereas Schneider at age 40 should expect to be working on one-year deals until he retires. I guess it really depends on who else he gets for defensemen. I'm betting Komisarek signs elsewhere and also that we don't sign Bouwmeester or any other real top pairing guy (maybe I'm pessimistic, but as it stands there are a lot of teams looking and few top tier D-men available). As a result, we end up with four returning defensemen: Markov, Hamrlik, Gorges, O'Byrne. Now last year we tried Markov/Gorges and O'Byrne/Hamrlik when Komi was out, but I'm not convinced that Gorges is really a top line defenseman over the course of a season. We've got to put someone with Markov, though, and I wouldn't be completely surprised to see Hamrlik moved up (since I don't see O'B on the top pairing, either). My concern is that Schneider has enough 'name' recognition that he could be moved onto that second pair, based largely on the fact that he's historically been able to handle bigger minutes and ignoring the fact that he actually hasn't done that well with it since he's started to push 40 (like when he played a lot with Atlanta last year). Dandenault, on the other hand, would be left on the third pairing either way. We wouldn't have a great D-corps, but without a real partner to Markov we're not going to win any cups anyway so we might as well let our prospects play more. I'll admit, though, you've swayed me a little bit. It's completely possible that my worries are unfounded and they'll use Schneider sparsely except on the PP... Martin's really the big factor, and I should probably be giving him the benefit of the doubt. I guess after a few years of Carbo I've instinctively started assuming that the coach won't always make the right decision . Truth be told though, as a GM it's probably best to NOT base your team building on assuming the coach will screw up. EDIT: I should add, too, that I also think Dandy is low priority. As I mentioned in the first post I'd only sign him if he tested the market, found nobody interested and could be had for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gainey didn't mention Schneider once during his talk with the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Schneider is invaluable on the PP. Hopefully he will sign for a resonable amount of money instead of a crazy amount like his last contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoHabsGo9_mtl Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Reasonable money AND term. Say one year at $1.5 million. But we gave that same money to Brisebois last year. So you know Gainey is going to overpay for Schneider. I like Schneider, but he's 40 fricking years old. Instead of keeping him around as a PP crutch, how about we actually try to develop Weber or AK46 at the right point? In any case, I just hope Schneider is the bottom of the UFA priority barrel. If we have spare cap space left over after the core of the team is in place, sure, why not see if he'll re-up? Agreed, I'd like to see us give Weber a shot (no pun intended) on the point. Slot him in as number 6, or pair him up with an experienced d-man and let him develop on the powerplay. I'd also like to see them try Andrei on the right boards like how Kovy has done. (I'm assuming Kovalev walks.) We've seen how dominant a powerplay can be when you've got a weapon on the point (Souray, Streit) and a weapon on the side boards (Kovalev). When the PK can't just focus on one guy, it keeps them honest. Why not develop a powerplay with these young players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Reasonable money AND term. I think that was implied. Gainey would have to be completely out of lunch to offer a 40 year old more than a year. Especially considering he was showing signs last season that his career is close to finished (had Montreal not picked him up, he'd be retiring this offseason). I expect this is his last NHL season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsnyc Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 If the RDS article is indicative of Gainey's plans then I am stunned. If Montreal wants these five players, why not sign them immediately? Montreal will likely get to keep the older three free agents and will have significant competition to keep Tanguay and Komisarek. Without Lang, Montreal will remain small up the middle, unless they trade. It should be clear and obvious to everyone that if a team could not win with their top players in their prime, then resigning them post their prime only prolongs the duration of the franchise's underperformance. Signing Koivu, Kovalev and Schneider is fruitless, pointless and only dooms the team to its habitual swoon. This management team cannot raise itself out of the muck and mediocrity that is so willingly embraces. Perhaps, Gainey is addicted to finishing seventh or lower in the conference. No one who watched the finals can tell me that the Canadiens are in the same universe as Pittsburgh or Detroit when it matters. The alternative I propose, building a team over four years that is young, gritty, defensive and big up the middle is a more logical way to match up agianst the Bruins, Penguins, Canes, Flyers and Capitals. A team of old, small, one-way players who don't skate in traffic cannot be competitive in this league, even if the GM thinks they hae Secretariat in nets. The team needs to rebuild around a younger core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357908_1475251331 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 now that i think of it: we don't have the same old PP, but we do have two new coaches. schneider is probably the translator for the situation, no? he might rate the upside of a contract for that "minor" detail. 1.87 even perhaps?... my first thought was that our new coach increases the list of players we can have success with, but then i think our assistants can screw it up too.. etc. so there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoHabsGo9_mtl Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 If the RDS article is indicative of Gainey's plans then I am stunned. If Montreal wants these five players, why not sign them immediately? Montreal will likely get to keep the older three free agents and will have significant competition to keep Tanguay and Komisarek. Without Lang, Montreal will remain small up the middle, unless they trade. It should be clear and obvious to everyone that if a team could not win with their top players in their prime, then resigning them post their prime only prolongs the duration of the franchise's underperformance. Signing Koivu, Kovalev and Schneider is fruitless, pointless and only dooms the team to its habitual swoon. This management team cannot raise itself out of the muck and mediocrity that is so willingly embraces. Perhaps, Gainey is addicted to finishing seventh or lower in the conference. No one who watched the finals can tell me that the Canadiens are in the same universe as Pittsburgh or Detroit when it matters. The alternative I propose, building a team over four years that is young, gritty, defensive and big up the middle is a more logical way to match up agianst the Bruins, Penguins, Canes, Flyers and Capitals. A team of old, small, one-way players who don't skate in traffic cannot be competitive in this league, even if the GM thinks they hae Secretariat in nets. The team needs to rebuild around a younger core. Because our team could look a lot different at this time tomorrow. I believe Gainey has said he will talk to those players after the draft. There could be some trades, minor or major, and we will add some draft picks. I think we want to see what happens tonight before deciding what to do with those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Reasonable money AND term. Say one year at $1.5 million. But we gave that same money to Brisebois last year. So you know Gainey is going to overpay for Schneider. I like Schneider, but he's 40 fricking years old. Instead of keeping him around as a PP crutch, how about we actually try to develop Weber or AK46 at the right point? In any case, I just hope Schneider is the bottom of the UFA priority barrel. If we have spare cap space left over after the core of the team is in place, sure, why not see if he'll re-up? ya Bob has a priority for 5 guys, Schneider better be number 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 ya Bob has a priority for 5 guys, Schneider better be number 5 Gainey never mentioned Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Gainey never mentioned Schneider. he has meetings with the 5 guys he wants to resign next week sir, Mat is in that group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 he has meetings with the 5 guys he wants to resign next week sir, Mat is in that group But when he was talking with the press he didn't once mention Schneider while he mentioned Koivu, Kovalev, Tanguay, and Komisarek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 If the RDS article is indicative of Gainey's plans then I am stunned. If Montreal wants these five players, why not sign them immediately? Montreal will likely get to keep the older three free agents and will have significant competition to keep Tanguay and Komisarek. Without Lang, Montreal will remain small up the middle, unless they trade. It should be clear and obvious to everyone that if a team could not win with their top players in their prime, then resigning them post their prime only prolongs the duration of the franchise's underperformance. Signing Koivu, Kovalev and Schneider is fruitless, pointless and only dooms the team to its habitual swoon. This management team cannot raise itself out of the muck and mediocrity that is so willingly embraces. Perhaps, Gainey is addicted to finishing seventh or lower in the conference. No one who watched the finals can tell me that the Canadiens are in the same universe as Pittsburgh or Detroit when it matters. The alternative I propose, building a team over four years that is young, gritty, defensive and big up the middle is a more logical way to match up agianst the Bruins, Penguins, Canes, Flyers and Capitals. A team of old, small, one-way players who don't skate in traffic cannot be competitive in this league, even if the GM thinks they hae Secretariat in nets. The team needs to rebuild around a younger core. Gainey said a lot of who is signed will depend on the draft. The Habs are trying to trade for a big scoring centerman as none are available through free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 State of the Habs: Exciting! I'm pretty excited to see what happens today/tomorrow with our team. That Gainey has offered a contract to Mike Komisarek, that we may be looking to make a trade, and to see who we take in the 1st round of the entry draft. Very exciting, indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepriceisright Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 State of the Habs: Exciting! I'm pretty excited to see what happens today/tomorrow with our team. That Gainey has offered a contract to Mike Komisarek, that we may be looking to make a trade, and to see who we take in the 1st round of the entry draft. Very exciting, indeed! Another boring day in Habland ! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................... All the hype , all the scenarios , and here we are , still waiting for the Messiah from the South (Tbay) to save us , and still nothing . Maybe he isn't the answer, do we really want to take on that kind of contract for a 30 year old ? I would rather have traded 3 roster players to get Tavares and have him locked up for 10-15 years and build around him. As for our pick , it was a safe pick , anything else a bit off the charts and the fans would have been freaking out in the Bell Centre. Tonight was the night to move down a few spots and be aggressive . Thank God the Big Mouth Burke didn't bully teams to get Tavares , i have to admit, he plays the media well , something like Paris Hilton , but with a bigger mouth ! plus they didn't get the younger Schenn which must tick him off as well. Ohter than Schenn , and Kaberle, they really don't have anyone that's tradeable to bring in a big time player , sorry Leaf fans, your in for a long haul . I like what Nashville did, getting Ellis , small but man is he smart ! I think the Preds and Kings are going to do something big , because , they have what alot of teams covet, and that's prospects, Dmen prospects and regulars that can become huge pieces to making a big trade ( J. Johnson, R. Suter ) and still are not hurting . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMan86 Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Yeah im starting to doubt BG a little...i mean yea we atleast got leblanc but we wont be seeing him for another 2-3 years ATLEAST. things are really looking bad for the habs AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. but things can change quickly if we can get some UFA signings like the sedins or something which wouldnt bother me since we dont lose any assets to get them but for now not looking good in habs land my fellow fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357908_1475251331 Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Yeah im starting to doubt BG a little...i mean yea we atleast got leblanc but we wont be seeing him for another 2-3 years ATLEAST. things are really looking bad for the habs AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. but things can change quickly if we can get some UFA signings like the sedins or something which wouldnt bother me since we dont lose any assets to get them but for now not looking good in habs land my fellow fans gainey saying it might take to october to finalize the lineup? wow... like him saying there are two new year's party and someone is waiting to show up for the largest piece of fish. lol i mean it doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface, but then again it isn't in my experience to have ownership changes that are so stunning as this one, and come to think of it the coaching change either. how much can bg hate coaching himself? that's what has me wondering. i'd love it. it would be my life, but each to his own i guess. the players pulse... that's the upshot. we trust bg or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Leblanc! Awesome! I was, sort of, hoping for this guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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