tmash Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 He intentionally chooses to use only 7 of them. *facepalm* 3 actually, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 You get hundreds of days to convince a player to sign a contract. Hundreds of days to work out a reasonable contract. He intentionally chooses to use only 7 of them. *facepalm* 3 actually, Let's cut straight to the chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElCapitan_mtl Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Well ... we've finally got some assets with trade value on this team. If you wanna stock up the farm, we can still trade Gomez, Gionta or Cammalleri at some point in the next 5 years. Yeah I'm sure there is some other GM that we can trick into taking Gomez' salary... Might even be Gainey again, on another team. That would be kinda funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Regardless of how Mcdonagh did, I still don't see you giving up on a guy based on one season: he was our top prospect before that. But that's beside the point: two of our first rounders were lost in that deal, which is our main point: we aren't using our first liners to effectively build a team. Actually Pacioretty has become the top prospect, and probably Subban behind him. Seeing as how little we know about the integral details about prospect development, I would hope there were factors that led the organazation to believe McD was heading down a bad road (high school picks.... sigh). What do you mean, the UFA in 4 years I meant he's 23, he'll be 27 soon enough. This is normal UFA age. In any case, so far he's been a bust considering he hasn't even gotten a permanent job on the fourth line. I was saying I wasn't a fan of starting his UFA clock when he did. He should've been sent down after 9 games if there questions about whether or not he should stay. I'm not sure about that, we were generally considered good drafters before Gainey took over. But it's not just the quality of drafting, it's a mixture of that and the org messing up our prospects in various ways. Even since 2005-2006ish timeframe we've drafted Fischer, Mcdonagh, Leblanc, and lost a pic for a player we lost for nothing after a season where we didn't win a playoff game. Well drafting and development are two different things. I don't think the Habs were considered that highly (top5-8) teams in drafting from lik 98-2002. And in that timefreame, there hasn't been enough time to determien whether or not they were a success, these things take more time. You get hundreds of days to convince a player to sign a contract. Hundreds of days to work out a reasonable contract. He intentionally chooses to use only 7 of them. *facepalm* While I disagree with the method, I understand his reasoning, in that he thinks players will be more motivated if they have no contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dintrox12 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I haven't said much in regards to this issue. I think Cammalleri was a good pick up. he did well in LA with a very limited team. I sort of understand the trade for Gomez as a signal to the UFA market that things were changing in habsland. I think we overpaid getting rid of both higgins and mcDonagh that hurts. Gionta is a big question mark to me and why add him at the price paid when other talent was available. Hall Gill came relatively cheap and is big. When He played for TO he was a pylon. I don't think his skating has improved very much since then. Spacek is a good pick up offensively but he is small. there were still Ohlund and beauchimen available and both signed for about the same money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I wish Mr. Gainey would stop twiddling his thumbs and do something. LOL Could there be any Habs fans who have not been in touch with this team since June 30? If so would there be a sedative of some sort available to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfan512 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 I wish Mr. Gainey would stop twiddling his thumbs and do something. LOL Could there be any Habs fans who have not been in touch with this team since June 30? If so would there be a sedative of some sort available to them? Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 There are still some intangibles and uncertainty at this time regarding what the lines will be. 1) Laraque is still having back problems... will he be ready this year unlike last? 2) Pacioretty has a sports hernia... will he be playing in the bigs or down on the farm for more seasoning? 3) Plekanec is still not signed (Salary Arbitration)... will he sign, be traded, play center or wing if he does? 4) No news on whether Stewart or D'Agostini are signed (tendered qualifying offers)... what's up? 5) Barring a trade the defense seems set... no room for Weber or anyone else for that matter. 6) Approx. $5,975,443 Cap Space available not including cost for; Plekanec, Stewart, D'Agostini and Maxwell (others; Weber?) If the Habs do stand pat with the players they have signed at forward... According to the Habs depth chart... (I'm NOT saying these will be the lines) Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta Moen-Lapierre-A.Kostitsyn S. Kostitsyn-Metro-Latendresse ???-Chipchura-Laraque Potential centers... Ben Maxwell, Mikael Johansson, Andre Benoit Potential left wingers... Max Pacioretty, Greg Stewart, Mathieu Darche Potential right wingers... Matt D'Agostini, Mike Glumac If the Habs do stand pat with the players they have signed at defense... According to the Habs depth chart... Markov, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gill, Mara, Gorges, O'Byrne Potential defensemen... Yannick Weber, Mathieu Carle, Shawn Belle, Alex Henry However, what else do we know? BG signed... Shawn Belle to a one-year, two-way contract for the 2009-2010 Mike Glumac and Mathieu Darche, as well as defenceman Alex Henry, to one-year, two-way contracts for the 2009-2010 season Mikael Johansson to a one-year, two-way contract for the 2009-2010 season Andre Benoit to a one-year, two-way contract for the 2009-2010 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 There are still some intangibles and uncertainty at this time regarding what the lines will be. 1) Laraque is still having back problems... will he be ready this year unlike last? 2) Pacioretty has a sports hernia... will he be playing in the bigs or down on the farm for more seasoning? 3) Plekanec is still not signed (Salary Arbitration)... will he sign, be traded, play center or wing if he does? 4) No news on whether Stewart or D'Agostini are signed (tendered qualifying offers)... what's up? 5) Barring a trade the defense seems set... no room for Weber or anyone else for that matter. 6) Approx. $5,975,443 Cap Space available not including cost for; Plekanec, Stewart, D'Agostini and Maxwell (others; Weber?) And I suppose part of determining what's going to happen with Pacioretty depends on what happens with Stewart, D'Agostini, and Chipchura. Is it just me, or are all entry-level contracts two-way? 'Cause if that's the case wouldn't it (from a financial standpoint) make more sense to have D'Agostini, Chipchura, and Stewart on the team rather than Pacioretty? Not that it would be best for the team, but it might be best for the finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 'Cause if that's the case wouldn't it (from a financial standpoint) make more sense to have D'Agostini, Chipchura, and Stewart on the team rather than Pacioretty? I tend to agree. Pacioretty could also benefit from a full season in Hamilton, whereas for the aforementioned players, it's either Montreal or bust at this point. Patches IMO must have an outstanding camp to make the cut. If he grades out the same against D'Agostini, SK, and Latendresse, he's going back to the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 And I suppose part of determining what's going to happen with Pacioretty depends on what happens with Stewart, D'Agostini, and Chipchura. Is it just me, or are all entry-level contracts two-way? 'Cause if that's the case wouldn't it (from a financial standpoint) make more sense to have D'Agostini, Chipchura, and Stewart on the team rather than Pacioretty? Not that it would be best for the team, but it might be best for the finances. I tend to agree. Pacioretty could also benefit from a full season in Hamilton, whereas for the aforementioned players, it's either Montreal or bust at this point. Patches IMO must have an outstanding camp to make the cut. If he grades out the same against D'Agostini, SK, and Latendresse, he's going back to the AHL. I agree with both outlooks The interesting thing to me, however, is those I mentioned that I knowingly referred to with two-way contracts (Belle, Glumac, Darche, Henry, Johansson and Benoit). I know it may just be for call-ups and they may most likely be assigned to Hamilton... but you can't overlook the potential experience and size these players could bring to the team if the likes of Pacioretty, Stewart, D'Agostini and Maxwell (O'Byrne?) require further seasoning in the AHL. TOMAS PLEKANEC SIGNED!!! 2.75 million for one year... CAP NOW approx. 3.225 million and one less spot available at forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTybe_mtl Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 With the big mess of UFAs and FAs that we had this offseason, do you think Gainey will change his policy of only talking contracts in the offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357908_1475251331 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 geeze- on again off again finnagin i am. so put pleks at left wing. again. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastian_mtl Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 With the big mess of UFAs and FAs that we had this offseason, do you think Gainey will change his policy of only talking contracts in the offseason? I certainly hope so. P.S. Shouldn't this be in a new thread....State of the Habs 2009-2010..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I agree with both outlooks The interesting thing to me, however, is those I mentioned that I knowingly referred to with two-way contracts (Belle, Glumac, Darche, Henry, Johansson and Benoit). I know it may just be for call-ups and they may most likely be assigned to Hamilton... but you can't overlook the potential experience and size these players could bring to the team if the likes of Pacioretty, Stewart, D'Agostini and Maxwell (O'Byrne?) require further seasoning in the AHL. TOMAS PLEKANEC SIGNED!!! 2.75 million for one year... CAP NOW approx. 3.225 million and one less spot available at forward. So, we have what now? Two spots left to fill on the roster? Stewart and D'agostini should come on 'the cheap', especially considering what Guillaume signed for on a 1 year term. I cannot see Stewart or D'Agostini making more than $800,000 per season on short term contracts. Stewart should, arguably, be making less than $750,000. So, the $3.225-something cap room we have left should be plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 So, we have what now? Two spots left to fill on the roster? Stewart and D'agostini should come on 'the cheap', especially considering what Guillaume signed for on a 1 year term. I cannot see Stewart or D'Agostini making more than $800,000 per season on short term contracts. Stewart should, arguably, be making less than $750,000. So, the $3.225-something cap room we have left should be plenty. The money is there true... and if need be, the option of; Belle, Darche and Glumac at 600, 000 a peice, would only total 1.8 million. Perhaps we should factor in a possible LTIR for Laraque that would save some more. For now, barring trades, the team looks like this... (I'm NOT saying these will be the lines) Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta S. Kostitsyn-Plekanec-A.Kostitsyn Moen-Lapierre-Latendresse Chipchura-Metro-Laraque Markov, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gill, Mara, Gorges, O'Byrne Price, Halak But there are still things to be resolved... 1) Laraque is still having back problems... will he be ready this year unlike last? 2) Pacioretty has a sports hernia... will he be playing in the bigs or down on the farm for more seasoning? 3) Plekanec signed... but will he be traded? 4) No news on whether Stewart or D'Agostini are signed (tendered qualifying offers)... what's up? 5) Barring a trade the defense seems set... no room for Weber or anyone else for that matter. 6) Approx. $3,225,443 Cap Space available not including cost for; Stewart, D'Agostini and Maxwell (others; Weber?) I'm still not sure how I feel about the team at this point... good, bad or ugly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Anti-Senator Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Well, the team is pretty well set. Except for the signing of a couple more RFAs who will bounce between Montreal and Hamilton Bob Gainey has finished putting together the team for the coming season. Oh, he might add some more players to fill out the Hamilton roster but he will make no more deals for the big team. So how can we assess the team? Goaltending is a question mark. Carey Price has demonstrated that he can play in the big leagues but he has yet to demonstrate he can do it for a whole season plus the playoffs. Halak blew hot and cold last year. Some games he was brilliant and some games he was brutal. Let's hope both goaltenders can improve their consistancy this year. The defence is the strength of this team. The team now has 5 established NHL veterans patrolling the blue line. Two of them can move the puck pretty well and they will make a great pairing on the first PP unit. The remainder are steady defencemen who can be counted on to make it difficult for opposing forwards. The only one who has yet to establish himself is Gorges but he has been rounding into a very good defenceman and he has a great opportunity to improve even more playing with and watching his five veteran team mates. This could be the season when he becomes as good a defenceman as he is going to become. The forwards are a question mark. The big three acquisitions should play well. Two of them have played together before so they should gell quickly. The third line should be pretty good. The addition of Moen has upgraded its grittyness and it should work well as a shutdown line. The fourth line will probably be made up of youngsters and they should be a good energy line like fourth lines are supposed to be. The problem is the second line. The two key members of that line had bad seasons last year but great seasons the year before. If the players from two years ago show up then the Canadiens are going to have a good year. However, if they do not and that line cannot provide sufficient secondary scoring it could be a long season. The intangibles for this team have improved. This team should have more heart and grit than last year which will make them very difficult to play against and hopefully any losses by the team will not be for lack of effort and heart like many losses were last season. For the first time since the Canadiens won their last cup the team has a proven, veteran coach who has a track record of winning. It is true that he has never been able to lead a team out of the second round so that is a little troubling. However, I am not too worried about that yet. Let's get through the season first. So, what is the state of the Habs? I would say they are markedly improved over last year. There are still a few questions of how they will fare in certain aspects of the game and we will just have to wait and see. The team should make the playoffs and they are capable of winning the Cup but I would not pick them as the favourite to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 The team has completely changed the player dynamics (as well as the Captaincy) and the coaching staff. Though as a fan it would be nice to see this team take off as we all hope it is unlikely to happen as it will take some time (at least 1-2 seasons) not only for the players to gel but for them to also learn a new team system from Martin. Given the reality of the situation I do not expect much this season given the older defence core and whole scale change on the top line. Hopefully if they make the playoffs (as I am not certain they will) they will fare better than they have the past two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcammalleri Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 There are so many things thht we will need to go our way to even have a chance to make the playoffs this season. #1 How quickly Martin can implement his system #2 Seconday scoring after Camaller/Gomez/Gionta. Performance of Pleks and AK46can be the difference between conference final and not even making th eplayoffs IMO #3 How long the top 6 forwards and the top 4 D takes to gel #4 CAREY PRICE! will he stop whining and start producing? will Bob stop babysitting him and measure him with the same stick as every other player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbarker78 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I don't think it will take long for Gionta and Gomez to gel.I think Cammalari wants to prove all his critics wrong and show he can be a sniper without Iginla.I'm not worried about those 3.My concern is the younger core of this team but that has been the concern for the last 2 seasons as well.The younger players on this team have shown good signs but they need to do it more consistantly this season for the habs to contend and that includes Carey Price as well.I'm not worried about Price at all he will be fine with a solid D in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I know a lot of fans are upset with the resigning of Pleks. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, like with the rest of the team. The 07-08 season was a great season for everyone and the man to thank for that season was Kovalev. Out of the gate you could tell he was going to have a great season. AK46, Pleks and the rest of the team rode Kovy's coat tails during the 07-08 season. Then the unthinkable happened, 08-09 Kovy struggled and the rest of the team (minus the newcomers), struggled as well. To make matters worse, the bruins picked up where we left off and tore up the league. It didn't end there, the weight of our centennial, a rookie coach learning as he went (often making mistakes) and off ice issues sent this team into a tail spin. We have a different team this season, snipers, play makers, size and offense from our blue line; will make the load a lil easier for Markov. The most improved aspect of this team (imho), is behind the bench. JM brings structure and experience, a coach who can win games. A goalie coach who can boast about having one of the best goalie combos last season in Vokoun and Anderson. A completely different team, we should have a confident team. I know some are complaining that there is no room for our prospects. To be honest, to bring up kids from Hamilton, you first have to be confident with the current team. Could you imagine the mess we'd be in if BG hadn't changed the team, but brought in some youngins and we went into the 09-10 season with pretty much the same core as the 08-09 season? The kids look up to the vets for guidance, if our vets and 3rd year players aren't confident, you can't expect much from the kids. Bob has given this team every reason to re-gain their confidence, once this team is a solid contender (meaning-not limping into the playoffs), the transition from the AHL to NHL will be a lot less stressful and an easier transition. When a team struggles and management brings up a kid, the fans expect him to be our saving grace. In case some haven't noticed, we don't have a Traverse, Malkin or Crosby waiting in Hamilton. This kids aren't going to lead us to the promised land. If the team is winning and management brings up a few kids, then the pressure's not as great. They are only expected to contribute, not lead. BG's off season moves may have stalled the development of our prospects, but I honestly believe it's for the better of the team. He's given the kids a much more structured team to join, We have to bring this team back to the winning ways of the 07-08 season, before throwing our prospect to the wolves and expecting them to fight for their lives. A solid team that can win, will make the transition much easier for our prospects and in turn, our prospects will probably perform better. Pleks, AK46 and our other under-achievers from last season have structure going into the 09-10 season. I have a good feeling that everyone will perform better under JM's system. We will have injuries and our AHLer's will have a chance to break the line up. Difference this season, is that we have a coach who works with structure and a system that works. The kids will know their roles and Martin will have a purpose for them, instead of being thrust into chaos (like last season), where they will most likely fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Are we going to be starting a new thread, "state of the Habs 2009-10", or are we simply going to change the name of this one? I guess this thread is still up and running since the 09-10 season hasn't started. Either way, I'm anxious for the new season. I have no doubt that our under achiever's from last season will re-gain their form. They have no reason not to, last season was a disaster (over and done, wiping the slate clean). AK46-74, Pleks, Price and even O'Byrne should have a better season. Minus Muller, we have a new group behind the bench. A group that did well in Florida. I really hope that with a strong season, we can turn around JM's post-season stats and our own. This could very well be the right fit for JM and the team... Only time will tell. Now, let's get this season going... I've already been through my "legends of Hockey" series and watch pretty much every hockey game on ESPN Classics. I'm going stir crazy, I need hockey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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