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Welcome!

To those of you who are new here: welcome! We hope that you enjoy your time here and are able to contribute to our great hockey discussions. I suggest that you read the forum rules: http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=10914, as we try to keep this forum accessible for all fans and try to maintain a PG atmosphere.

To reduce the clutter and overlapping discussion, we've decided to combine a few threads that served similar or informative purposes into one.

This includes the "Hot Topics" (a list to encompass the new season's threads), "Forum Q&A", and the "Moderation" threads. So basically, if you have any general questions, comments, concerns, or inquiries about the forum or its various operations, this is the place. If it is something serious or private, any and all moderators are available by private message, and we're always willing to help or answer or questions.

If you scroll down a couple of posts, you should see the original posts from "Everything Is Better in Moderation", please feel free to read these to understand our methodology. Also feel free to add a reply with any questions, comments or concerns about the forum or the moderating team. We are open to constructive criticism and will try to respond to all posts in a timely manner.

If you have any suggestions to add to the Hot Topics list, please send a Private Message to myself or any of the other moderators, and we'll consider getting it added.

We'd also like to take the time to say a quick thanks to those who gave us their input in the "Have Your Say" survey on the forum. We have read and discussed all the comments, and will continue working to improve this forum and tailor it to the needs of the fans; in fact, you may notice some of the suggestions have already come to fruition.

In closing, we hope you enjoy the forum this season; on behalf of the moderating team, we're all looking forward to sharing another great (and prosperous!) season of Montreal Canadiens hockey with all of you.

Habs Related Hot Topics

Official Free Agency Rumours Thread

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=19872

State Of The Habs 2008-09

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2008-2009 Lines

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The Goaltending Thread 2008-09

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Habs Injury Thread 2008-09

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Habs Broadcasts 2008-09

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Gameday Photos And Videos 2008-09

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Special Teams 2008-09

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=21124

Mark My Words! 2008-09

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=21122

Jersey Retirements Thread

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=21126

Habs Cap Space 2008-09

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=21127

Habs Centennial Discussion

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Captaincy And Alternate Captaincy Discussion 2008-09

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Tickets Thread

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Media Rankings / Previews / Predictions 2008-09

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Habs Merchandise/Collections/Jerseys

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The Positive Thread

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The Negative Thread

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Poems

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The Legends Thread

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Autographs Thread

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Habs Music Thread

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Habs Video Thread

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Why are they called the Habs?

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Forum Rules and Regulations

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How old are our members here?

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=12288

The Birthday Thread

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Artwork Forum

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showforum=64

The Out of Town Thread

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=17495

NHL Officiating 2008-09

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=21144

External Links

The NHL Rulebook

http://www.nhl.com/rules/index.html

The NHL CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement)

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf

NHL Numbers (Team by Team Salary Cap Information)

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/

NHLSCAP (Salary Cap Information)

http://www.nhlscap.com/

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Greetings to all members!

First, let me start by thanking our team of moderators for their great work in general on this forum and that in both languages, and also for coming up with this idea and working at putting everything together. You are the best!

The purpose of this thread is simple: to inform all members on the topic of moderation and to encourage open constructive discussion on the matter. While it might not always seem that way on the surface, we respect and value the contributions of each member here. Have a question about the forum rules? Want to know why certain posts are deleted? Feel that there’s a way for us to be more effective in doing our job? Then this thread is for you.

Ground rules for posting in this thread

1. Respect

When it comes to feedback, moderators aren’t different from other members. We’re perfectly happy with constructive criticism, expressed in a respectful manner. We dislike sarcasm, personal attacks, swearing, mockery, and veiled insults. If you have a problem, question, or concern, please express yourself in a civilized manner. Failure to do so will mean trouble for you, so just save us all the headache and be courteous.

2. No names, please

This thread is not an invitation to air personal grievances in public. If you have a problem with a particular moderator, the best thing to do is to PM him or her and resolve the issue in private.

3. Be part of the solution

As much as possible, we encourage you to offer practical solutions to any issues or problems you bring to our attention. Who knows? Your solution may be better than anything we’ve got! :)

4. Catch up on your reading

Before you post anything in this thread, we strongly advise you to read this site’s official Code of Conduct first. If you’re still confused or upset about something, come back here and post. We expect all members to be familiar with the Code of Conduct, so please don’t clutter this thread up with questions that even a brief glance at the Code of Conduct would answer.

5. Remember who owns this site

We’ve said it before, but we can’t stress it enough: this message board is owned and operated by the Montreal Canadiens. It is the official message board of the most storied franchise in hockey. Consequently, we have an obligation to monitor these boards more closely than we would if we were moderating your average online forum run by a private citizen.

6. Warnings Are Private

If you have been banned, you will be told the reason, you will have received warnings, and therefore appealing to the moderators for more explanation in this thread is not useful (please PM the moderator who issued the warnings to discuss personal warnings). If someone you know has been suspended, asking the moderators to reveal the reasons or justify the suspension is not useful either, since we do not discuss one member's status with other members. However, if you have broken a rule and would like this rule clarified, this thread is a great place to ask.

7. Rules Still Apply

While this thread exists as a place to comment on the moderation of this forum, all forum rules still apply. If you are unsure if something you wish to post in this thread is against the rules, please PM a moderator first.

Rule Clarification: Constructive Criticism vs. Bashing

We all love to criticise the players, coaches, managers of our favourite team. If we didn’t, we wouldn’t be posting here. After all, this message board is an outlet for fans to speak their mind about their passion: the Montreal Canadiens. A hockey message board without criticism is like an empty plate: it looks nice and clean, but really has no use unless you put food on it. If you feel a player hasn’t given his best on a particular night, you’re perfectly entitled to make your voice heard. If you dislike an element of the team’s on-ice strategy, you’re free to share your opinion with your fellow members. If you think a player should be traded, or a coach or manager fired, you have the right to say so.

So why, you might ask, do we delete certain posts because their content constituted an “attack” on a member of the Habs organisation? You may have received a warning for “bashing” a player. You might be confused about the difference between constructive criticism and player bashing. Or you might have seen us delete a post you thought was perfectly reasonable, and now you’re worried about the content of your own posts. Relax — we’re not out to get you! In fact, we hope the following exercise clears the issue up and ensures that we never have to send you a warning about your behaviour. Trust us, we don’t like issuing warnings anymore than you like receiving them.

Constructive Criticism: What you should strive for

Constructive criticism focuses on perceived problems or deficiencies without becoming personal. It is thoughtful, engaged, and respectful. When you offer constructive criticism, the tone and wording of your posts lets everyone know, implicitly, that what concerns you is the issue at hand, not the player, coach, or manager himself. You do not use race, nationality, or language as a tool to belittle the target of your comments, nor do you engage in unnecessary personal remarks, (e.g. making fun of the person’s appearance). While frustration is sometimes an unavoidable part of criticism, especially when the team is losing or the player is in a prolonged slump, you should never let your frustration lead you to substitute insults and sarcasm for informed, level-headed criticism.

An example of constructive criticism:

"I do agree with you in that, being Guy's first season behind the bench, we can't really tell what he's made of yet. But we got a good look at how he handled adversity, and the rest of the league just rolled past us while we were still trying to command the locker room. He was a player long enough to know these things are inevitable, and that he would need a plan to handle them. My worry is that we may have seen his "plan" in full. And the results speak for themselves....a team that STILL, for no good reason, is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen on skates! "

In the above example, the poster has doubts about the coaching, but never degenerates into personal attacks not relating to hockey. He’s open-minded enough to acknowledge when the other person makes a valid point, and doesn’t fly off the handle or become sarcastic because someone happens to disagree with him. There’s no mud-slinging or name-calling, but he’s gotten his point across loud and clear.

Another example:

"Maybe if he actually EARNED his keep and played up to his talent but he has not. He only skates when he wants to, I was looking at the highlights of the last game he played in yesterday on TSN and on one play he coughed up the puck in the neutral zone and instead of coming back in the play to help out the defence he just coasted behind the play and we got scored on... pretty sad if you ask me and he's being paid top dollars for what? If I was him I would keep quiet."

The preceding example is more animated. Frustration is evident, but the poster sticks to the subject matter, using specific in-game examples to support the argument. There’s no rancor, gratuitous insults, or obscene language.

A Third Example:

"I agree to an extent.

The flu has hurt this team a lot. It's been going around for months now.

The whole Sammy situation has hurt the team as he is a good player and both sides have made bad decisions this year.

If the team had Huet right now they might be in the playoffs. It's a big if, but it's very possible that he would have stolen some games like he did early in the season. He seemed to be playing better when he got injured.

With all that said I agree that this team could probably do just as well playing a more aggressive system that takes more risks. As Rivet said he is allowed to pinch in and take risks there. The thing is I doubt Carbs believes in such a system. I think he believes in what hes using now and thats the way he has played hockey his whole career. I doubt he is experienced in the use of an offensive system enough to employ one and I also doubt he believes a system like that would win the cup anyway. Right now he is the coach though and the players will have to listen to him and do what he says."

Once again, the member debates the point without getting personal or degenerating into non related attacks.

Bashing: What you should avoid

Bashing takes many forms, but the key ingredient in any type of bashing is a lack of respect. The tone of the post is usually scornful, sarcastic, and contemptuous of the player or coach in question, yet the poster doesn’t bother to provide any kind of support for his position. He’s already made up his mind about the issue, and he’s just looking to pick a fight. He doesn’t mind using obscene language and derogatory terms when talking about the object of his ridicule, and if you happen to disagree with him, he has no problem using the same language to attack you. A basher loves making unsubstantiated generalizations about large numbers of people, based on nothing but his own personal likes and dislikes, and then using his self-made evidence as the basis for unwarranted personal attacks. Once he’s decided he dislikes a player or coach, he uses every available opportunity to poke fun at their expense, regardless of whether he’s off-topic.

Some examples of Bashing:

While we can't post any true examples, as these break forum rules, here are some general ideas of what constitutes bashing:

  • comparing players to non-hockey players, animals or inanimate objects
  • referring to any players as "pathetic", "terrible", etc. (calling a single game or skill by a player "terrible" is fine, but not the player in general)
  • any other insult that becomes too personal against the player.
In short, bashing is often a brash commentary that attacks the character of an individual, rather than a comment that critiques the play or performance of that individual.

Rule Clarification: Attacking Other Members

Just like attacking members of the team is against the rules, so is attacking other members of the forum. A forum is always going to have lots of debates, that's what makes it interesting (we certainly don't want everyone to agree on everything). However, members must stick to the subject matter and debate it appropriately, not let the debates become personal.

Some examples of personal attacks that are against the rules and may result in warnings:

  • Give your head a shake
  • Open your eyes
  • Those who disagree don't know hockey (or what they're talking about)
  • Get a life
  • Are you drunk (or on drugs)?
All of these types of comments can only draw a negative response and are against forum rules.

Furthermore, if someone insults you, let a moderator know and we'll be happy to delete the message. What you should not do is quote or even respond to the message. This leads to a lot more work for the moderators, and may start what is known as a "flame war" (members constantly personally attacking each other). Even if someone insults you first, you may receive a warning as well for retaliating. Avoid back-seat moderating, or acting as a moderator. This only adds to the problem instead of helping fix it. Using the "Report Post" button (p_report.gif) or the Private Message system solves the problem much more efficiently as opposed to attempting to take matters into your own hands.

Because this site is part of the public "face" our team presents to the world, we do have to be careful with the kinds of expressions people sometimes use to express criticism. Things that could be offensive to a portion of our membership cannot be allowed. So for example, it is inappropriate to describe something or someone as "retarded" when there is quite a good chance that some of our forum members have family with special needs or challenges. Remember that many of our forum members are NOT just like you. Try to respect everyone, and to stay away from language that insults or ridicules identifiable groups.

Explanation: Warnings

Warnings are just that ... warnings. Receiving a warning is not the end of the world, it's only a way to inform members that they've crossed the line. Repeating the offense becomes more serious. Many good members have received warnings, some have even gone on to become moderators after showing an improvement in their posting. However, a warning is a sign that you have broken the forum rules and need to be more careful in the future. If you read the rules and are more careful in the future, that warning isn't going to hurt you at all. Essentially, warnings are encouragement to change your personal behaviour for the betterment of the forum; for yourself, and for others.

Members also need to be aware that contributing members who have been permanently banned have already received ample warnings and likely a temporary suspension. We realize that once in awhile everyone makes mistakes, and so the moderators are cautious with giving bannings, although sometimes it becomes necessary.

By respect for our membership, warnings are being issued by Private Messaging and only the moderators and the member in question know about it. We are expecting that members will use the same method to discuss warnings, as going on the open forum afterwards being critical about it could be perceived as showing off or under-mining the efforts of the moderator(s).

To summarize: A warning is YOUR chance to step up and improve the forum by setting an example and making hockey discussions pleasant and civilized.

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Let me be the first to congratulate the moderators for all their hard work in preparing this board for the upcoming season. The place looks great and totally organized. I never posted in the "Have your say" thread, sorry Jet :) , because I felt that everything was already pretty close to perfection. Seeing the preparation and the organization I must say that you gentlemen have outdone yourselves. I love the explanations and the examples in this thread and in most new threads that were created to replace the old.

Here's to a great season gentlemen and here's hoping that the Habs surpass all our expectations and bring home number 25 in our centennial year.

Cheers to all!

GHC

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Let me be the first to congratulate the moderators for all their hard work in preparing this board for the upcoming season. The place looks great and totally organized. I never posted in the "Have your say" thread, sorry Jet :) , because I felt that everything was already pretty close to perfection. Seeing the preparation and the organization I must say that you gentlemen have outdone yourselves. I love the explanations and the examples in this thread and in most new threads that were created to replace the old.

Here's to a great season gentlemen and here's hoping that the Habs surpass all our expectations and bring home number 25 in our centennial year.

Cheers to all!

GHC

Thanks GHC.

There are still a couple major additions which should come in the next day or two, and then we should be all set for the start of the season.

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Actually, as far as I know, we've decided to keep the threads intact so we can track their development as they work their way through the system; plus, some of the threads aren't always extremely active, so it would be a lot of work for little payoff.

1970 Habs has also gone through and added the team that the prospect is currently with, which really looks great.

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I thought a cool idea for a thread might be "Road Trips 2008-2009" where fans can discuss all of their out of town plans to see the Habs in other stadiums! I wonder if there would be enough interest, though?

I think thats a great idea. ;)

On another note.... lately,,,topics that ive read in the forum are not showing as read ( like they normaly do) even if i refresh over and over again. Is this just me,,, or is it a glitch in the system???

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Question about some board mechanics.

Yesterday I was making a reply to a post, and did so by quoting another person. As soon as I hit reply, I realizied I wanted to put an additional comment in the post. But when it refreshed, there wasnt an edit button. Hit refresh again, and still no button. I know the board times out after a couple min so you cant edit an old post, but I hadnt hit this threshhold yet. So I just made a 2nd reply to make my additional comment.

So my question is, if quoting someone elses post, does the board not allow edits to that post? Or did I just have a board hiccup?

Not a big deal, just curious.

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Question about some board mechanics.

Yesterday I was making a reply to a post, and did so by quoting another person. As soon as I hit reply, I realizied I wanted to put an additional comment in the post. But when it refreshed, there wasnt an edit button. Hit refresh again, and still no button. I know the board times out after a couple min so you cant edit an old post, but I hadnt hit this threshhold yet. So I just made a 2nd reply to make my additional comment.

So my question is, if quoting someone elses post, does the board not allow edits to that post? Or did I just have a board hiccup?

Not a big deal, just curious.

I believe there is a 5 minute editing period for every post, whether if you quote or not. If the 5 minute period (from the time of your post) passes by, your editing permissions for that specific post are gone.

I hope that answers your question.

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Does the timer start when you click quote/reply or from submit? Because I just had it happen again on a post where I was quoting another member. And it was as soon as I hit reply and the page refreshed. The edit option was not there. Wasnt looking to edit that post, but was just checking. Again, it was only seconds after I replied.

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Does the timer start when you click quote/reply or from submit? Because I just had it happen again on a post where I was quoting another member. And it was as soon as I hit reply and the page refreshed. The edit option was not there. Wasnt looking to edit that post, but was just checking. Again, it was only seconds after I replied.

Timer starts from the time you submit your post.

Okay, let's take for example your posts (2) submitted at 1:21pm and 1:27pm. Had your trigger finger been 2-3 minutes faster, you would have had the chance to edit your post.

;)

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Hey folks. Minor request. In past years when the game day thread was closed, the title was edited to show the final score. Would it be possible for that to occur this year too? Got use to checking the score here :D

No biggie if you cant.

I'm not sure if someone just went and did it after you posted (I suppose I should pay better attention), but every regular season game has the score in the Topic Description, which is located right underneath the Topic Title, so you can still see it, just directly under the thread title.

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Dont think it was there. But if it was, thanks for pointing it out. :D

I ususally check here before hitting other sites to check scores. Guess its a bit of a lazy streak in me :lol:

But thanks!!

<edit>

Just thought of it. You would have to be able to edit the original post to put the final score in the subheader. So must of been a mod who updated them. So thanks =)

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Dont think it was there. But if it was, thanks for pointing it out. :D

I ususally check here before hitting other sites to check scores. Guess its a bit of a lazy streak in me :lol:

But thanks!!

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Just thought of it. You would have to be able to edit the original post to put the final score in the subheader. So must of been a mod who updated them. So thanks =)

Ah, no problem ;) Must have forgotten to reply yesterday. :mellow:

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Stickies should be kept to a minimum as more often than not, they're not being used anyway, and they are the threads that we see first. For example, there are so many stickies in the section "In the system" that we have to scroll down to even see the first topic.

My two cents.

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Stickies should be kept to a minimum as more often than not, they're not being used anyway, and they are the threads that we see first. For example, there are so many stickies in the section "In the system" that we have to scroll down to even see the first topic.

My two cents.

Yes I've been meaning to clean that up a bit. Thanks for reminding us. I've cut down the number of stickied threads in there.

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Yes I've been meaning to clean that up a bit. Thanks for reminding us. I've cut down the number of stickied threads in there.

Thank you.

I've been meaning to ask, but it seems like signatures are taking more and more room. Some have 10-12 lines or have bigger and bigger images. It's not very appealing when someone posts a lot to have to scroll through their signature. Thank you.

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Thank you.

I've been meaning to ask, but it seems like signatures are taking more and more room. Some have 10-12 lines or have bigger and bigger images. It's not very appealing when someone posts a lot to have to scroll through their signature. Thank you.

The same rules are still in place, unfortunately administration never made the forum check signature sizes, so cleaning it up only happens when one of us clearly notices a problem, which isn't very consistent.

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My two cents

http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?showtopic=10914

"You will send all suggestions, complaints, compliments, etc. to an administrator or a moderator via private message. If applicable, please include a link to the topic in question so we do not have to search for it. Messages of this nature posted on the boards will be ignored and deleted. If you have a question or comment about something unrelated to the Fan Forum, please write to us using the form on the “Contact Us” page.."

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I love some of the changes made to the forum, most particularly the new Hot Stove sub-section.

May I suggest locking the "If I were GM" thread and allow separate threads for wish lists instead? As we've seen in the past, there is a very fine line between wish list and rumour, as one rumour becomes a wish list (I'd rather have so and so instead of that guy...).

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