Bourne Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Honestly, people need to get 'developing the prospects' off the brain. We are trying to put together a Cup run THIS YEAR. Development, for the first time in forever, is no longer the top priority. Thank you, Weep. It was about time this was said because I have read too many posts talking about development and how we cannot trade this person or that person. This is the year we are challenging for the cup and if you want a cup you have to press all the way forward. With that said I am rather concerned with Breezer, he has a tendency to make a ridiculous amount of boneheaded plays. I know he is only filling in however I believe we might need to trade to fill the hole in our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 With that said I am rather concerned with Breezer, he has a tendency to make a ridiculous amount of boneheaded plays. I know he is only filling in however I believe we might need to trade to fill the hole in our defense. I won't argue that Brisebois has made his share of gaffes through three games. That being said, he's hardly been any worse than our top D pairing in that regard. And as raydourque noted, he's a better puck-moving defenseman than the bottom half of our D corps (Gorges, O'Byrne, Bouillon). He's a good guy to have for depth. As soon as Bouillon is healthy, he'll draw in, but I'm quite happy with the job Breezer's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I won't argue that Brisebois has made his share of gaffes through three games. That being said, he's hardly been any worse than our top D pairing in that regard. And as raydourque noted, he's a better puck-moving defenseman than the bottom half of our D corps (Gorges, O'Byrne, Bouillon). He's a good guy to have for depth. As soon as Bouillon is healthy, he'll draw in, but I'm quite happy with the job Breezer's done. He has made some mistakes but otherwise has looked really good out there. I feel he needs to be used more on the powerplay, he has an accurate shot and I'd like to see him there instead of Hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 4 sure, alot of people were complaining about his signing, We already have a D injured. He would be filling his role if Breezer wasnt signed.. Webber? Id prefer to have Breezer out there then webber no need to rush our kids into the spotlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFT77 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Breezer has been good insurance so far as Bouillon is hurt. Playing 12-15 minutes a game is OK with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I'm happy with Brisebois so far, with one exception. He really needs to learn not to shoot with a defender two feet in front of him. When he tries he almost always hits that defender and turns the puck back in the other direction. It's like he has shot in his mind before recognizing the situation. He has to have an outlet prepared in his mind instead and if his shooting lane isn't clear, he needs to dish the puck and prepare for another opportunity. It could simply be hunger on his part, I don't blame him considering how few opportunities he gets and he always has one foot in the press box, but it's going to end up costing us a game and it is such a little thing to correct. One little mental hiccup in his game so far, otherwise looking solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I thought Brisebois had a good game against Florida. He looked smooth when moving the puck in his own end, and made smart passes to alleviate pressure down low. I was happy with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsFanInCalgary Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I thought Brisebois had a good game against Florida. He looked smooth when moving the puck in his own end, and made smart passes to alleviate pressure down low. I was happy with him! Breezer should play all the time if that means O'Byrne sits. Although I am not the biggest fan of Brisbois, I am not a fan of O'Byrne at all at this point in time. A few more turnovers to his stats last night. Scary. He went right up the middle w/ a pass in his own zone and was picked off like the Panthers new he would do it. Brisbois has a bit more experience and will not make the same mistakes. I will give O'Byrne the benefit of admitting that he is young and really unseasoned, but still. Everyone learns not to go up the middle w/ a pass in your own zone when their in pee-wee. 'Off the glass, save your *****. Up the middle and your in a pickle' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafHater Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 i agree too. Breezer does have some blunders sometimes but really its not the worst we can have. I think his veteran presence helps out and he seems to accept his role as possible extra man who might have to sit half the season in the press box if he has to. i think he's just happy that he can still play some games and seems like he enjoys playing with the habs. i'm sure as long as his time and shifts do not exceed what he's capable of, he'll be fine (sort of like Koivu's hooking calls seem to have dissapeared with his slightly lower ice time). The one thing that i did notice, as Ricochet pointed out, is that he does seem to shoot right into the defenceman right in front of him. But other wise he's doing alright, and he still has a shot that can go to the net and hopefully a couple can find their way in, or at least have someone take the rebound (and as we saw last year they're sometimes travel in a weird way and somehow make it in lol) so he's not completely useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Breezer should play all the time if that means O'Byrne sits. Although I am not the biggest fan of Brisbois, I am not a fan of O'Byrne at all at this point in time. A few more turnovers to his stats last night. Scary. He went right up the middle w/ a pass in his own zone and was picked off like the Panthers new he would do it. Brisbois has a bit more experience and will not make the same mistakes. I will give O'Byrne the benefit of admitting that he is young and really unseasoned, but still. Everyone learns not to go up the middle w/ a pass in your own zone when their in pee-wee. 'Off the glass, save your *****. Up the middle and your in a pickle' I can't believe that you want O'Byrne to sit for the rest of the year so that Brisebois can play. O'Byrne is still learning at this level, and has plenty of upside. I don't think Brisebois is going to learn anything new at this stage of his career. O'Byrne is a big, physical player, while Brisebois is not strong at all when battling with opposing players. O'Byrne has 11 hits to Brisebois' 2, and O'Byrne is second only to Komisarek's 30 hits for the D. Granted, O'Byrne has 8 giveaways to Brisebois' 3, but he has 4 takeaways, while Brisebois has none. Markov has 12 giveaways, while Hamrlik has 7, and Gorges and Komisarek have 6. In the takeaway category, Markov has 5, Hamrlik 3, and Gorges and Komisarek have 2. IMO, O'Byrne is doing ok in both categories. Brisebois will get his icetime, but I don't think he should replace O'Byrne 100% of the time. Brisebois might bring some offense, but he does not instill any fear in opposing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animerules1x3 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I can't believe that you want O'Byrne to sit for the rest of the year so that Brisebois can play. O'Byrne is still learning at this level, and has plenty of upside. I don't think Brisebois is going to learn anything new at this stage of his career. O'Byrne is a big, physical player, while Brisebois is not strong at all when battling with opposing players. O'Byrne has 11 hits to Brisebois' 2, and O'Byrne is second only to Komisarek's 30 hits for the D. Granted, O'Byrne has 8 giveaways to Brisebois' 3, but he has 4 takeaways, while Brisebois has none. Markov has 12 giveaways, while Hamrlik has 7, and Gorges and Komisarek have 6. In the takeaway category, Markov has 5, Hamrlik 3, and Gorges and Komisarek have 2. IMO, O'Byrne is doing ok in both categories. Brisebois will get his icetime, but I don't think he should replace O'Byrne 100% of the time. Brisebois might bring some offense, but he does not instill any fear in opposing players. Well, while I do not agree with removing O'Byrne 100% of the time in favour of Brisebois, I do think that at this point in time, Brisebois brings more to us than O'Byrne. Timing is everything. We want to challenge for the cup, which means that the needs of NOW are more important than the needs of the FUTURE. While both defensemen have too many brain cramps, Brisebois has an eye for the offense that can always come useful here and there. We cannot expect the same thing from O'Byrne. His physicality is all well and good, but he is too many a time out of position because of his checks. So I say, for now, let's alternate between them two so to keep ol' Breezer fresh, but use the guy's experience more than his opponent's youth. For this year. Komisarek instills fear in opposing wingers because he brings the pain, but also is defensively aware, while O'Byrne is far from outstanding in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Breezer is definitely a reserve player at this point in his career, and doesn't have the stamina to be an every-game defenseman, but he has played well in the role he's been given. I have no complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Breezer is definitely a reserve player at this point in his career, and doesn't have the stamina to be an every-game defenseman, but he has played well in the role he's been given. I have no complaints. No complaints here either, he still moves the puck really well and has great vision on the ice. These qualities don't change even when your legs can't do what your brain is telling them to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stroundpick Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I said it before and I will say it again Breeze bye has to go. Even if its on I.R. for the rest of the season. Bob...... mistake ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 getting embarrassing now, he has the legs of an 94 year old 4mins of pp time, getting out of hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 getting embarrassing now, he has the legs of an 94 year old 4mins of pp time, getting out of hand I agree, at first I liked him on the powerplay but he looked out of place last night. Let's hope Carbo changes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens27 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Why do they keep bringing this guy back? Brutal just brutal. Its his mistakes that are costing us goals this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Please put Brisebois in the press box. Terrible game against the Ducks. The top line of the Ducks was able to run circles around Brisebois. Brisebois either allowed the Ducks to score, great scoring chances, or took penalties. Too old. Too slow. Brings very little to the PP so his defensive problems are not made up by his offensive skill. Just brutal. A veteran should not have made the huge mistakes that Brisebois did against the Ducks. Just too old and slow to handle big strong players like Getzlaf or Perry. Either put Brisebois in the press box for the entire season or make a threat of waiving him if he does not retire as a HAB immediately. I would much sooner like to have Weber on the team as the PP needs helps. Brisebois is not playing good enough on the PP to warrant a roster spot IMHO. As for defence. I would prefer O'Byrne or Dandenault playing on defence compared to Brisebois. Weber might be equal to Brisebois defensively so I would keep Weber as a PP specialist or late game D when Montreal has the game already won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puckoff1 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Please put Brisebois in the press box. Terrible game against the Ducks. The top line of the Ducks was able to run circles around Brisebois. Brisebois either allowed the Ducks to score, great scoring chances, or took penalties. Too old. Too slow. Brings very little to the PP so his defensive problems are not made up by his offensive skill. Just brutal. A veteran should not have made the huge mistakes that Brisebois did against the Ducks. Just too old and slow to handle big strong players like Getzlaf or Perry. Either put Brisebois in the press box for the entire season or make a threat of waiving him if he does not retire as a HAB immediately. I would much sooner like to have Weber on the team as the PP needs helps. Brisebois is not playing good enough on the PP to warrant a roster spot IMHO. As for defence. I would prefer O'Byrne or Dandenault playing on defence compared to Brisebois. Weber might be equal to Brisebois defensively so I would keep Weber as a PP specialist or late game D when Montreal has the game already won. i dont think he should be in the pressbox ALL season but id prefer to see OB out there for the most part. OB is struggling to get going but breeze is slowly getting worse as far as i can tell....he started the year pretty good i guess but its been getting sketchy lately and the ducks game he was just awful. he cant be playing every game , thats for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortwinkler Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I've been a naysayer of Breezer since the late 80s/early 90s. This guy is brutal out there, espeically on the PP...why in the world, play a guy on the point of the PP who can't keep the puck in the zone, and whose shot is so far off he'd have a better chance hitting the netting above the glass than the actual net. I know some people here adore Brisebois, but I just can't understand why. Off the ice he may be a great guy, I don't know, I've never met him. But what I care about is on ice performance and I've seen this guy cough the puck up so many times I couldn't even guestimate how many... I've been a naysayer of Breezer since the late 80s/early 90s. This guy is brutal out there, espeically on the PP...why in the world, play a guy on the point of the PP who can't keep the puck in the zone, and whose shot is so far off he'd have a better chance hitting the netting above the glass than the actual net. I know some people here adore Brisebois, but I just can't understand why. Off the ice he may be a great guy, I don't know, I've never met him. But what I care about is on ice performance and I've seen this guy cough the puck up so many times I couldn't even guestimate how many... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I think Brisebois got resigned off his impressive performance in the playoffs last year, I believe he had 7 points in 12 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Nobody 'adores' Brisebois. And yes, he struggled against Anaheim. But whose fault is it that he, along with our lower-tier players like Bouillon, Laraque, Begin, and Lapierre, were constantly out against Getzlaf, Perry, and Kunitz? Brisebois isn't the coach, he doesn't decide when he gets to step on the ice. The fact that our fourth line and third D pairing gave up a goal against and took a penalty is more a reflection of poor coaching, because a veteran coach would never let them log significant ice time against another team's top players in his own building, where he has the last line change. I've stressed this all along: in his proper role, Brisebois can be a good contributor. Force him to play outside of himself and you're just repeating the mistake made by previous Habs coaches during Breezer's first stint with the team. Back then, we tried to play his $5 million contract by using him as a no. 1 defenseman and it failed miserably. In 03-04, when we scaled back his duties, he excelled. Today, we need to do the same thing. Breezer isn't an every-game player or a top-four player anymore. He's a reserve blueliner who's most effective playing limited third-line minutes, and filling in on the power play if someone is injured or has just finished a shift. Match him up against Ryan frickin Getzlaf and you're just asking for trouble. I really find it hard to understand posters who are ripping Breeze to shreds for an admittedly poor performance against Anaheim, when every single one of our defensemen made terrible mistakes and turned the puck over leading to goals against. By contrast, O'Byrne had a terrible game against Florida, a much weaker team, but his subpar game was quite singular: the rest of our defense corps was fine. So why are we singling Brisebois out because his coach played him at exactly the wrong times against a tough opponent who gave our entire defense corps fits all night long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortwinkler Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 The main reason is because Brisebois has a lot of stupid mistakes, "mental cramps", bad turnovers, and I believe he's tipped the puck in our net on more than one occassion as well. Sure all of our D-men make mistakes, but the rest of our D-men make up for it. Komi is down there blocking shots all the time, Markov has a great point shot, Franky is a tough customer, Hammer is expierenced and makes some great plays, not to mention he also has a decent point shot, and Gorges is just a young guy, but he outplays Breezer shift after shift. As a defenseman, for me, the most important things is A. Defend. B. Good point shot and C. Block shots - none of which Breezer has. He doesn't lay down for the team, he can't keep the puck in the zone as it's constantly hopping over his stick, his point shot is so far off I don't even know why he's out there half the time and he coughs the puck up way too much to be considered a "good" defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 breeze should be nowhere near the NHL with his current abilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Guys, keep in mind that Brisebois's shortcomings are going to be magnified, because it's the start of the season and everyone is pumped with energy. Trust me, over an 82-game grind of a schedule, he will become more effective, because the game is going to slow down for every player, young or old. I believe this is part of why he was so effective in last year's playoffs. As for comparing him to the rest of our defense corps, Hamrlik screened the goalie last night on Carolina's first goal, should we crucify him for that? How about Markov's sloppy coverage that led to the second goal? Komisarek had multiple unforced errors along the boards. Breezer is here specifically as a depth player. Does he make mistakes? Sure. But it just seems like everyone is waiting for him to make a mistake so they can vent about how unfit he is to play in the NHL. I got news for you, though: our D played a terrible game last night and Brisebois wasn't even on the ice. Maybe we can find a way to blame Brisebois for last night too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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