Habcup Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I don't like what Brisebois brings to the roster. IMO he should have retired. For fans to say that Brisebois had a solid or good game against the Wild were not watching the game or looking at the stats after the game. A huge chuck of the game was either on PP or PK. Brisebois is supposed to be good on the PP. One point in 8 games. The PP sucks pond water. Brisebois is on the PP therefore IMO he is part of the PP problem. Brisebois did not play on the PK so how good of a defenceman is he? Gorges was on the PK for over 8 minutes and he is just a young player learning the game. Brisebois is the veteran with 17 years experience, shouldn't he be on the PK? I want Weber to get a chance in Montreal because the PP is not working. Without a big shot from the point it is too easy for the PK to stop the Montreal forwards. Weber would bring a top calibre shot to the PP. Given that Brisebois does not play on the PK the same situation could occur with Weber. I would rather have Dandenault on the defence then Brisebois. That is how impressed I am with Brisebois. I agree with your evaluation of Breez.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcup Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I just feel like he's become the team whipping-boy for no particular reason. I don't think his performance is up to par and I cringe everytime he has the puck but I would not disrespect him! I just hope no one starts to boo him! He deserves better. He is doing his best and he had the balls to come back and play in Mtl after he was booed out of town. But his performance still stink in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habcup Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 i dont know what games your watching butyou dont stay in this league for that many years not knowing how to do your job. he is a good dman. i guess everything you say about him is negitive anyway. to bad some fans could say something positive about our players. if your that good how come the habs did not sign you? So because no one on this board can play hockey at the NHL level we cannot comment on the performance of the players? Don't think so! Your logic is "because he played so many years he must be good" does not hold water; otherwise a 90 year old player would be better that a 30 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 I am one of those who would prefer that Brisebois be used as the 7th D man, or as insurance. I believe that's why Gainey signed him in the first place last year. I honestly did not think he would be back for a second season. His supporters talk about the offense he adds to the team, but he only has 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 games. Now he goes and scores a goal last night, had one of his rare hits, and had a blocked shot. Unfortunately for me, that means that I might have to watch him for at least the next 10 games in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 I am one of those who would prefer that Brisebois be used as the 7th D man, or as insurance. I believe that's why Gainey signed him in the first place last year. I honestly did not think he would be back for a second season. His supporters talk about the offense he adds to the team, but he only has 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 games. Now he goes and scores a goal last night, had one of his rare hits, and had a blocked shot. Unfortunately for me, that means that I might have to watch him for at least the next 10 games in a row. Let's not over-dramatize here. The reason why Brisebois is used is because O'Byrne is played even more poorly. When O'Byrne improves his play or when he's sent to the minors and Weber or Carle are called back, if they play well, they'll be in the line-up. This is not a rebuilding year, it's a year where we're contenders to the Cup, so our main focus isn't to develop players at the expense of loosing games, we're trying to put the best line-up available on the ice each night. Since Breezer is outplaying O'Byrne, he's playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Gosh, it's really hard for some people to admit when Brisebois has a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 i dont know what games your watching butyou dont stay in this league for that many years not knowing how to do your job. he is a good dman. i guess everything you say about him is negitive anyway. to bad some fans could say something positive about our players. if your that good how come the habs did not sign you? I think you comments are against the rules of the fan forum. I gave my opinion. I did not call him names or for that matter yourself. The comment about my hockey ability is just funny. To be a fan you do not need to play hockey let alone play professional hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 People complain that Breezer brings nothing to the table, but I tell you what, that PP goal of his was a great, smart, perfectly placed shot. And he knows how to break out of the zone with a good outlet pass, something that is completely beyond O'Byrne at this point. Sure, Patrice doesn't block many shots or throw many hits, but he has other strengths that are helpful to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bailey1 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 ^^^^^ Amen! Breezer FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Storm Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Breezer is proving to be a complete waste of money this year by far and away the worst d we have. This guy just simple doesn't compete out there; he made Boullion look really bad as he was trying to compensate for Breezer never going into the corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sens27 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Breezer is proving to be a complete waste of money this year by far and away the worst d we have. This guy just simple doesn't compete out there; he made Boullion look really bad as he was trying to compensate for Breezer never going into the corners. Yep he just does not belong in the game anymore. No disrespect to patrice but even for the odd good game he plays for us he is to much of a risk to have out on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 The problem isn't Brisebois. If you're going to blame him, blame him for the fact that he's outplaying O'Byrne. That's where I'd point the finger. If O'Byrne played the way we expected him to, Breezer wouldn't be in the line-up as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 The problem isn't Brisebois. If you're going to blame him, blame him for the fact that he's outplaying O'Byrne. That's where I'd point the finger. If O'Byrne played the way we expected him to, Breezer wouldn't be in the line-up as much. O'Byrne and Brisebois were both in the lineup last night because of the injury to Hamrlik. IMO, Brisebois is no longer much of an impact in any game. Usually he gets outhuscled, and outmucsled by the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 O'Byrne and Brisebois were both in the lineup last night because of the injury to Hamrlik. IMO, Brisebois is no longer much of an impact in any game. Usually he gets outhuscled, and outmucsled by the other team. Brisebois' role has never been to outmuscle guys. He's no all-star and I really don't know what people expect of him. He's being over-utilized because Hammer is injured and O'Byrne is not playing well. Can we really blame him for that? I think not. He was hired as a 6th-7th defenseman thinking that O'Byrne would perform better but he HAS to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Brisebois' role has never been to outmuscle guys. He's no all-star and I really don't know what people expect of him. He's being over-utilized because Hammer is injured and O'Byrne is not playing well. Can we really blame him for that? I think not. He was hired as a 6th-7th defenseman thinking that O'Byrne would perform better. JL, don't bother. Like with Latendresse, people enter the discussion with a grudge against the player in mind first, and will find any excuse to put the player in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 JL, don't bother. Like with Latendresse, people enter the discussion with a grudge against the player in mind first, and will find any excuse to put the player in question. I knew that. I guess Gainey will have to come out once again and find some well chosen words for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_canuck_21 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Brisebois' role has never been to outmuscle guys. He's no all-star and I really don't know what people expect of him. He's being over-utilized because Hammer is injured and O'Byrne is not playing well. Can we really blame him for that? I think not. He was hired as a 6th-7th defenseman thinking that O'Byrne would perform better but he HAS to. He was initially hired last year as insurance. O'Byrne had not even played a game in the pros at that point. Is Dandenault that bad that he can't fill in occasionally on D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 He was initially hired last year as insurance. O'Byrne had not even played a game in the pros at that point. Is Dandenault that bad that he can't fill in occasionally on D? It sure looks like it otherwise I'd like to think that Carbonneau wouldn't do it on purpose to lose games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Is Dandenault that bad that he can't fill in occasionally on D? Look, I actually think Dandenault would be a better option on D than either O'Byrne or Brisebois, but clearly Carbo doesn't think so or he would have gone to him already. So we're left, once again, with O'Byrne and Brisebois, and like JL said, it's hardly fair to blame Breezer for the fact that O'Byrne just hasn't played very well this year. If O'Byrne had played better, he'd be in the lineup ahead of Breezer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc_123_msn_com Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Gosh, it's really hard for some people to admit when Brisebois has a good game. not me, i like breezer and i really hope he does well. the problem with him though, if that when he makes a mistake he usually ends up paying for it. he isnt very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stbvoyageur Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 I think the ideal circumstance for Brisebois would be to play him in most of the home games, where Carbo has the ability to control the matchups, and thus Patrice would not be seen as a liability. I don't think he's finished, he continues to make good passes to help the transition game, and he's good for a goal a game (for his unit) on the PP, because of the good decisions he makes with the puck (like the drop pass which allowed Kovy to enter the zone with speed on the Plekanec goal). He's doing a good job as a #6, but the problem is that Carbo has been unable to establish a consistent top 4 defensively (who should eat up 45 minutes a game IMO). Ideally I would like to see the Habs make a move for a good #4 (who can fill Komi's shoes if he walks), and have Brisebois and Bouillon alternate with Gorges to solidify the D corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Press box or retirement. I have seen nothing to indicate that Brisebois brings anything to the ice that helps the team win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 How many useless pinches can one player make in a run of a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 How many useless pinches can one player make in a run of a game? I don't think he made any more than the rest of the d corps. And I found he played a rather gritty game in his own end tonight, wasn't that one of the other complaints everyone goes on about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 I don't think he made any more than the rest of the d corps. And I found he played a rather gritty game in his own end tonight, wasn't that one of the other complaints everyone goes on about ? Agreed, he threw some nice hits on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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