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Offensive defencemen that MIGHT be available via a trade. My list based on the top 30 offensive defencemen last season.

Aucoin, Adrian (Flames are over the cap, $4 million cap hit, UFA end of the season, BG could make a trade with Sutter similar to Tanguay trade)

Kaberle, Tomas (Toronto is "trying" to get last place so why keep a good puck moving D, Montreal has some good prospects that a rebuilding team might like, $4.25 million cap)

Kubina, Pavel (Toronto is "trying" to get last place so why keep a good puck moving D, Montreal has some good prospects that a rebuilding team might like, $5 million cap)

Kronwall, Niklas (Detroit is over the salary cap with 21 man roster, $3 million cap hit)

Bouwmeester, Jay (would be shocking if he is not on the market as he is UFA next summer and likely will leave Florida)

I think that BG can land Aucion, Kaberle, Kubina, Knonwall or Bouwmeester via a trade. I would guess that Kronwall or Aucion would be the easier targets as both Calgary and Detroit are over the salary cap and therefore might take a draft pick or prospect or salary trade to make the deal happen.

My trade suggestions:

#1

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of season)

MTL 3rd round pick 2010

Montreal buyouts Dandenault contract for $600k each of the next two seasons saving $1.15 million this coming season

Adrian Aucion ($4 million, UFA end of season)

#2

Toronto has lots of available cap space so taking on salary is not a problem for the Leafs this season. They are rebuilding and want to get #1 pick next summer.

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of the season)

Dandenault ($1.725 million, UFA end of the season)

Weber or Subban (currently not on the roster)

1st or 2nd round pick 2009

Karberle or Kubina ($4.25 million or $5 million cap hit with 3 / 2 seasons remaining)

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Toronto has lots of available cap space so taking on salary is not a problem for the Leafs this season. They are rebuilding and want to get #1 pick next summer.

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of the season)

Dandenault ($1.725 million, UFA end of the season)

Weber or Subban (currently not on the roster)

1st or 2nd round pick 2009

Karberle or Kubina ($4.25 million or $5 million cap hit with 3 / 2 seasons remaining)

Believe me, I'd LOVE Kaberle, he's way underpaid, he's imo on par with Markov in terms of skill and is very consistent, the only problem is I don't think you're package gets it done. Last year the report was that he vetoed a trade to Philly that would have brought Toronto Jeff Carter + a 1st round pick.

If that's the case, I don't think we can get Kaberle unless we're willing to move an Andrei Kostitsyn type of player.

He maybe moved, but it will be steep, with his salary and ability he's a tremendous asset.

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Offensive defencemen that MIGHT be available via a trade. My list based on the top 30 offensive defencemen last season.

Aucoin, Adrian (Flames are over the cap, $4 million cap hit, UFA end of the season, BG could make a trade with Sutter similar to Tanguay trade)

Kaberle, Tomas (Toronto is "trying" to get last place so why keep a good puck moving D, Montreal has some good prospects that a rebuilding team might like, $4.25 million cap)

Kubina, Pavel (Toronto is "trying" to get last place so why keep a good puck moving D, Montreal has some good prospects that a rebuilding team might like, $5 million cap)

Kronwall, Niklas (Detroit is over the salary cap with 21 man roster, $3 million cap hit)

Bouwmeester, Jay (would be shocking if he is not on the market as he is UFA next summer and likely will leave Florida)

I think that BG can land Aucion, Kaberle, Kubina, Knonwall or Bouwmeester via a trade. I would guess that Kronwall or Aucion would be the easier targets as both Calgary and Detroit are over the salary cap and therefore might take a draft pick or prospect or salary trade to make the deal happen.

My trade suggestions:

#1

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of season)

MTL 3rd round pick 2010

Montreal buyouts Dandenault contract for $600k each of the next two seasons saving $1.15 million this coming season

Adrian Aucion ($4 million, UFA end of season)

#2

Toronto has lots of available cap space so taking on salary is not a problem for the Leafs this season. They are rebuilding and want to get #1 pick next summer.

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of the season)

Dandenault ($1.725 million, UFA end of the season)

Weber or Subban (currently not on the roster)

1st or 2nd round pick 2009

Karberle or Kubina ($4.25 million or $5 million cap hit with 3 / 2 seasons remaining)

Kubina has too long of a contract and too high of a salary. no thanks

aucoin- not bad but not my first option.

Kronwall??- Detroit isn't moving this guy unless they get a blue chip defenceman in return and non of our prospects are that good and even than detroit is not even over the cap according to my source. if they are than believe me, they will make room by other means that they have.

kaberle and Bouwmeester- possibly the 2 most under paid D-men in the league but not by choice, Bouwmeester is holding out to go to free agency next year cause he knows he can get 6mil+ and kaberle signed his contract when he was just coming into his own and is worth as much as Markov. In order to get 1 of these 2 guys we would have to give equal to or more than what Philly tried last year for kaberle. Carter and a 1st rounder and to be honest im guessing it will be the same for Bouwmeester. I hate to say it but i don't think we have the best deal to give and im sure another team would better us.

Im thinking more in the 3-4mil range like a Spacek, Ohlund, Boynton, Morris who are in the last year of there contract which is not a bad thing considering we have some players due for increases next year.

If any of these guys' teams aren't heading into the post-season, I think we could get a solid top 4 D-man for a reasonable price.

Spacek, Ohlund, Boynton or Morris for D-man prospect and a pick. Ex: Fischer + 2 Round pick.

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Kubina has too long of a contract and too high of a salary. no thanks

aucoin- not bad but not my first option.

Kronwall??- Detroit isn't moving this guy unless they get a blue chip defenceman in return and non of our prospects are that good and even than detroit is not even over the cap according to my source. if they are than believe me, they will make room by other means that they have.

kaberle and Bouwmeester- possibly the 2 most under paid D-men in the league but not by choice, Bouwmeester is holding out to go to free agency next year cause he knows he can get 6mil+ and kaberle signed his contract when he was just coming into his own and is worth as much as Markov. In order to get 1 of these 2 guys we would have to give equal to or more than what Philly tried last year for kaberle. Carter and a 1st rounder and to be honest im guessing it will be the same for Bouwmeester. I hate to say it but i don't think we have the best deal to give and im sure another team would better us.

Source: NHL Numbers

Based on the information on NHL Numbers which is normally very reliable. Detroit is over the salary cap. With injury call ups for players not placed on 10 day injury list teams normally need to have $1 million of available cap space to cover the salary of both the "injuried" player and AHL call up player.

I looked at the Detroit roster and Kronwall is one of the few higher paid players that I could see Detroit moving via a trade. Don't forget that Detroit is very weak at goalie if something happens to Osgood. Replacement #1 goalies normally cost $$$.

I would like BG to trade for Bouwmeester. The cost might be too high versus waiting until next summer when Bouwmeester is UFA. Even at Bouwmeester current contract and Montreal roster and cap space situation to land Bouwmeester would cost Montreal package of players. Likely have to trade Komi, buyout Dandenault, trade Latendresse, 1st round draft pick, and a prospect to land a player like Bouwmeester. Might even need to buyout Bouillon to get under the cap.

I think the player that could be had for very little money would be Aucion. Calgary is over the salary cap. Aucion should help our PP and paired with Hammer or Komi he would be a very good player on the PK. I think that my trade suggestion would be fair to both teams

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of season)

MTL 3rd round pick 2010

Montreal buyouts Dandenault contract for $600k each of the next two seasons saving $1.15 million this coming season

Montreal gets Aucion and his $4 million salary

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Source: NHL Numbers

Based on the information on NHL Numbers which is normally very reliable. Detroit is over the salary cap. With injury call ups for players not placed on 10 day injury list teams normally need to have $1 million of available cap space to cover the salary of both the "injuried" player and AHL call up player.

I looked at the Detroit roster and Kronwall is one of the few higher paid players that I could see Detroit moving via a trade. Don't forget that Detroit is very weak at goalie if something happens to Osgood. Replacement #1 goalies normally cost $$$.

I would like BG to trade for Bouwmeester. The cost might be too high versus waiting until next summer when Bouwmeester is UFA. Even at Bouwmeester current contract and Montreal roster and cap space situation to land Bouwmeester would cost Montreal package of players. Likely have to trade Komi, buyout Dandenault, trade Latendresse, 1st round draft pick, and a prospect to land a player like Bouwmeester. Might even need to buyout Bouillon to get under the cap.

I think the player that could be had for very little money would be Aucion. Calgary is over the salary cap. Aucion should help our PP and paired with Hammer or Komi he would be a very good player on the PK. I think that my trade suggestion would be fair to both teams

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of season)

MTL 3rd round pick 2010

Montreal buyouts Dandenault contract for $600k each of the next two seasons saving $1.15 million this coming season

Montreal gets Aucion and his $4 million salary

The problem with NHL Numbers in the offseason is the roster is purely based on general expectations of who will be in the NHL and who will be in the minors. In Montreal's case, our cap hit is wrong because it is assuming we have a 24 man roster, which violates NHL rules until the trade deadline.

In Detroit's case, they may get under the cap just by going with a 22 man roster. So they don't necessarily need to complete a trade.

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Why is everyone convinced we need another D-man? I'd be much happier w/ a veteran back-up in net. As much as I like Halak and Price, if they stumble are we supposed to rely on Denis? He isn't anything to write home about. I would love to have another D-man, but the Habs are stacked w/ prospects. let them get their wits about them and wait a season or two for them to develop. If I were to trade for someone it would be a decent back-up for Price/Halak.

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Source: NHL Numbers

Based on the information on NHL Numbers which is normally very reliable. Detroit is over the salary cap. With injury call ups for players not placed on 10 day injury list teams normally need to have $1 million of available cap space to cover the salary of both the "injuried" player and AHL call up player.

I looked at the Detroit roster and Kronwall is one of the few higher paid players that I could see Detroit moving via a trade. Don't forget that Detroit is very weak at goalie if something happens to Osgood. Replacement #1 goalies normally cost $$$.

I would like BG to trade for Bouwmeester. The cost might be too high versus waiting until next summer when Bouwmeester is UFA. Even at Bouwmeester current contract and Montreal roster and cap space situation to land Bouwmeester would cost Montreal package of players. Likely have to trade Komi, buyout Dandenault, trade Latendresse, 1st round draft pick, and a prospect to land a player like Bouwmeester. Might even need to buyout Bouillon to get under the cap.

I think the player that could be had for very little money would be Aucion. Calgary is over the salary cap. Aucion should help our PP and paired with Hammer or Komi he would be a very good player on the PK. I think that my trade suggestion would be fair to both teams

Bouillon ($1.875 million, UFA end of season)

MTL 3rd round pick 2010

Montreal buyouts Dandenault contract for $600k each of the next two seasons saving $1.15 million this coming season

Montreal gets Aucion and his $4 million salary

According to NHL NUMBERS, they have a 24 man roster. With 8 d-man i think they would probabley send jonathan ericksson back down to the AHL and then would be cap compliant.

According to Cap Central on hockeybuzz.com they have 226,667$ of cap space left and a 22 man roster so you pick which one is right cuz i don't know but either way the problem wouldn't be hard to fix and they aren't going to trade kronwall to fix it.

As for Aucoin, if the deal you proposed would work i would have no problem with it but i have a feeling they will want to move Sarich instead of Aucoin. But if all it takes is bouillon and a 3rd, then im all for it. Hopefully we can put dandenault on waivers or trade him though.

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Why is everyone convinced we need another D-man? I'd be much happier w/ a veteran back-up in net. As much as I like Halak and Price, if they stumble are we supposed to rely on Denis? He isn't anything to write home about. I would love to have another D-man, but the Habs are stacked w/ prospects. let them get their wits about them and wait a season or two for them to develop. If I were to trade for someone it would be a decent back-up for Price/Halak.

Funny how you should mention a veteran back up, I was thinking Olaf Kolzig would've been good in that capacity. Kolzig was Price's Goalie Coach from time to time in the WHL. IF T-Bay's not in it come deadline day...I'd talk to them about Kolzig.

Another possibility is Dwayne Roloson...Rollie, has been to the Stanley Cup Final and could be on the block with Garon emerging as a #1 and Drouin-Desaulniers as his potential back up. Rollie is hungry for a cup and MTl could be his best shot at that.

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I like the Kubina Idea...He is huge 6.4 and 244... He has a tremendous shot and he plays a good defensive physical game.

Maybe send Obryne and Boulion and a second or third round pick. try to find a taker for Dandy....or buy out

Kubina at 6.4 and Hammer at 6.2 both physical and both with a nasty streak. I would not want to face. Then you have to deal with Komo on your next shift -- ouch

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I like the Kubina Idea...He is huge 6.4 and 244... He has a tremendous shot and he plays a good defensive physical game.

Maybe send Obryne and Boulion and a second or third round pick. try to find a taker for Dandy....or buy out

Kubina at 6.4 and Hammer at 6.2 both physical and both with a nasty streak. I would not want to face. Then you have to deal with Komo on your next shift -- ouch

I can't see Kubina being of benefit to us...Yes he has a cup ring and size but he's irresponsible defensively.

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I can't see Kubina being of benefit to us...Yes he has a cup ring and size but he's irresponsible defensively.

He's big, strong, offensively minded, has a hard shot, and would help us on the power play. Pair him with Hamrlik and the defensive irresponsibility would not be a problem. I'd love to have Kubina.

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He's big, strong, offensively minded, has a hard shot, and would help us on the power play. Pair him with Hamrlik and the defensive irresponsibility would not be a problem. I'd love to have Kubina.

Kubina doesn't get nearly enough credit. Granted, at least at the time when he signed the deal, he was horribly overpaid, and probably still is a little bit. He's not a number one dman, but he is a very capable second pairing defenseman.

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Kubina doesn't get nearly enough credit. Granted, at least at the time when he signed the deal, he was horribly overpaid, and probably still is a little bit. He's not a number one dman, but he is a very capable second pairing defenseman.

Last year 6-5, 244 lbs Pavel Kubina, was unable to clear 5-7, 160 lbs Brian Gionta from the Leafs crease, it led to the Leafs being scored on by Gionta.

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Last year 6-5, 244 lbs Pavel Kubina, was unable to clear 5-7, 160 lbs Brian Gionta from the Leafs crease, it led to the Leafs being scored on by Gionta.

You can cherry pick bad examples about any player, but that doesn't really reflect the players ability over 82 games. Sometimes good players get beat or make bad plays. On a horrible defensive Leafs team Kubina was a +5, that's impressive and the year before he was +7. I'm not saying he's Scott Stevens, but he's not Mark Streit either, he can play D regularly and be a 4 guy and he'd be perfect for our PP.

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You can cherry pick bad examples about any player, but that doesn't really reflect the players ability over 82 games. Sometimes good players get beat or make bad plays. On a horrible defensive Leafs team Kubina was a +5, that's impressive and the year before he was +7. I'm not saying he's Scott Stevens, but he's not Mark Streit either, he can play D regularly and be a 4 guy and he'd be perfect for our PP.

I totally agree. He's a solid defenseman and would be a great addition to this team. Too bad we'll never be able to get him in his prime.

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You can cherry pick bad examples about any player, but that doesn't really reflect the players ability over 82 games. Sometimes good players get beat or make bad plays. On a horrible defensive Leafs team Kubina was a +5, that's impressive and the year before he was +7. I'm not saying he's Scott Stevens, but he's not Mark Streit either, he can play D regularly and be a 4 guy and he'd be perfect for our PP.

Agreed. Also, he wouldn't have to carry the whole load in Montreal because our blueline is already solid. In Toronto, he had to lead the charge because McCabe was not sound in his own end and the forwards didn't seem to know how to backcheck. And despite that, he still emerged as the Leafs' best D-man in the second half of last season. With his booming shot, he'd be deadly getting feeds from Markov on the PP.

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Ok I know this is crazy but I will put it here anyways.I read on hockeybuzz that the habs are still on Sundins to call list.Whatever decision he makes or if anything changes he is suposedly going to be in contact with the habs.This seems way out there to me but this is what ecklund is reporting and I thought it was interesting enough to share.Check hockeybuzz.com,I'm not sure how to provide links yet.

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Ok I know this is crazy but I will put it here anyways.I read on hockeybuzz that the habs are still on Sundins to call list.Whatever decision he makes or if anything changes he is suposedly going to be in contact with the habs.This seems way out there to me but this is what ecklund is reporting and I thought it was interesting enough to share.Check hockeybuzz.com,I'm not sure how to provide links yet.
Here's the Eklund ramble (sure wish he'd learn to spell ("shutter" would make my English teach from high school "shudder" :lol: ):

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id...mp;blogger_id=1

I read it the Habs will take his call explaining where he is, if, and when, he calls. Why not?-- attempt to talk him out of signing for another team, if nothing else. ;)

And sure, if Sundin decides to play for well below market, I am sure BG would make room. Pleks can go to wing easily enough. Habs would be scrounging for space for Lats then. I expect Hab expectation for Mats going this route is somewhere close to zilch.

Personally, I think he's going to retire. He's painted himself into a corner of some less than ideal selections for his stated goal of "playing for the Cup".

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Ok I know this is crazy but I will put it here anyways.I read on hockeybuzz that the habs are still on Sundins to call list.Whatever decision he makes or if anything changes he is suposedly going to be in contact with the habs.This seems way out there to me but this is what ecklund is reporting and I thought it was interesting enough to share.Check hockeybuzz.com,I'm not sure how to provide links yet.

It doesn't sound that far fetched. While I'm sure the offer of 7 million isn't sitting out there anymore, I think it's realistic that the Habs would at least take a look at the situation and see if there was any way they could take him. The chances of the Habs being willing to take him have decreased substantially since the Lang trade, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't want to stay in loose contact.

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It doesn't sound that far fetched. While I'm sure the offer of 7 million isn't sitting out there anymore, I think it's realistic that the Habs would at least take a look at the situation and see if there was any way they could take him. The chances of the Habs being willing to take him have decreased substantially since the Lang trade, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't want to stay in loose contact.

You know, I can't help but think if Mats was all that serious about winning a cup, he would've been in training camp with someone by now. That's just my thought on Sundin.

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You know, I can't help but think if Mats was all that serious about winning a cup, he would've been in training camp with someone by now. That's just my thought on Sundin.

Maybe he's just destined to be remembered as the guy in my avatar. :P

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