tomto Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 These are youre guidelines: You are GM or an NHL franchise. Your team was a royal failure latst season so you have the first pick. This year the 2 top prospects that are available are Ovechkin and Crosby Wich one will you chose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteenIsThaFuture Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Ovechkin and in my mind it isn't even close. Crosby may shatter Gretzky's point record and be a generational talent and be the mark of a generation of hockey players. But as a GM you look at the scarcity and it is very hard to find high scoring left wingers, other than Zetterberg the only other real notable is Havlat and he only plays 30 games a year. Premier left wingers are so scarce compared to premier centers. The other thing is the pure goal scoring talent. It is so much harder to find goal scorers than playmakers. Crosby's acceleration is among the elite if not the best, but if he has a 6th gear, then Ovechkin has a very deceptive 5th gear and for at least 20 extra goals a year if not more its worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoked-b Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Crosby even though i hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Here are some Tid Bits on Alexander Ovechkin: "When the team sent him his first contract, he refused to sign it and mail it back. He wanted to ink the deal in the presence of GM George McPhee so he could shake his hand and thank him. Less than three years later, the Caps won the Southeast. What did Ovechkin do to reform Washington? Scoring 163 goals in three seasons helped. So did his infectious spirit, which energized the franchise. Ovechkin will answer the phone at 3 a.m.—it's called accountability. "He's the first guy at the computer after the game, wanting to see his shifts," says coach Bruce Boudreau. "He wants to think about the game. If he doesn't understand something, he makes sure he gets it right." Ovechkin has so much energy he's practically radioactive. On the ice, he moves from zone to zone so quickly that linemates struggle to keep up. In the locker room, he darts around like a horsefly. After the Caps won the Southeast last season, Ovechkin pulled a freshly printed championship T-shirt over his dress shirt and announced he was going out on the town. D-man Mike Green shot him a no-way-I'm-going-out-like-that look but joined the party after forwards Alexander Semin and Sergei Fedorov copied Ovie. "He's full of life," says Caps captain Chris Clark. "Gets everybody going, jumping around. We ask how he does it, and he says, 'I don't know what I do, I just do!'" In Ovechkin, the Caps have a leader who is ready to roll up his sleeves, a star who is still a working stiff. Every leader needs a climactic story point that illustrates his character. For Ovechkin, it's a game in Pittsburgh last season when he took a skate to the leg and left the Igloo with a six-inch gash. None of the Caps would have blamed him for returning to DC to heal, but Ovechkin traveled with the team to Ottawa and played two nights later, scoring four goals and an assist in an 8-6 win. "Every time he moved, the stitches opened," says Boudreau. "And he played through it." Ovechkin brought that style to America, taking command of the game when necessary but cheering just as loudly for a teammate's blocked shot as for a goal. Before a shootout in Pittsburgh in January, Ovechkin gave teammate Quintin Laing a high-five for critical late-game blocks, then picked up the puck and scored. Ovechkin also calls Caps brass repeatedly during the summer to make sure contract negotiations with teammates and free agents move quickly. And for good measure, he has decorated his BMW M6 with a Caps flag. After he collected his four trophies for the 2007-08 season—Hart (the team's first league MVP), Lester B. Pearson (the players' MVP), Maurice Richard (most goals) and Art Ross (most points)—Ovechkin told Leonsis he would trade all four for one Cup. "We think we can be good," says Laich. "We aren't afraid of anybody. We're very curious to see how good we can be." Ovechkin already knows: "Washington can do the same as Pittsburgh, except we'll win the Cup." Even Detroit coach Mike Babcock is convinced, telling Leonsis, "No one wants to play you guys." You know change has come when enemies are believers. Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?se...&id=3604260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafsbaby08 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 easy. ovechkin. we have enough playmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bailey1 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Ovechkin's a Warrior. Crosby's a Prince. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koreysecord1992 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Ovechkin. By the way, that was a nice read 1970. Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareyPrice31 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Ovechkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Ovechkin. By the way, that was a nice read 1970. Thanks for posting. Your welcome Muskeg. I found it very interesting. I did not know he spent 24 hours living, breathing and dreaming hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Ovechkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-Hab-Fan Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Ovechkin. He has the real passion. Crosby, although very talented, seems to complain quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Crosby a Princess with elite troops. Ovechkin a warrior like spartans in 300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Ovechkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franck5890 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I really depends. If this is for fantasy hockey (ie. pools, etc) then Ovechkin is probably the better choice; more hits, more goals. From a legit NHL team-building scenario, it's certainly a more difficult choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Ovechkin is the more skilled player, but he's a one man show. If I have a crappy team and want someone to make them bearable: Ovechkin, no competition. If I want to win a cup and sign talent to surround him with, Crosby. I just feel Crosby is better at making his teammates better players. The biggest knock on Crosby and the reason he'll never be Gretzky is he isn't a particularly good goalscorer. And while he'll be a generational talent, the lack of scoring will prevent him from being thought of in the same way as Gretzky and Lemieux. Probably Lindros and Jagr will be better comparisons in terms of how good they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 always & forever Ovie!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I want both !!! But coming from the perspective of building an NHL club, I would chose Crosby because strength down the middle is the priority.l You always start in net, then Defense, then Center and then on the Wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 The biggest knock on Crosby and the reason he'll never be Gretzky is he isn't a particularly good goalscorer. And while he'll be a generational talent, the lack of scoring will prevent him from being thought of in the same way as Gretzky and Lemieux. Probably Lindros and Jagr will be better comparisons in terms of how good they were. Define "particularly good goalscorer," because he did score 39 goals as an 18 year old in the NHL and obviously has the potential to score 50+ in his prime. He's maybe not as much of a natural goal scorer as some guys, and he's definitely not in the Gretzky/Mario class (Or even Ovechkin class for that matter) but he's capable of being a 50+ goal guy imo. But coming from the perspective of building an NHL club, I would chose Crosby because strength down the middle is the priority. Agreed on that point. I would take Crosby and I don't even think it's that hard. Let's not forget Crosby is still basically 2 full years younger, which is a substantial gap when you're talking about development at that age group. Right now obviously the majority will remember last year when Crosby spent a lot of time hurt, and Ovechkin played 82 games, lead his team into the playoffs and won the Hart if this question was asked after 06-07, the majority would probably say Crosby. Let's also remember, last year despite the injury Crosby still scored at about the same points pergame clip that Ovechkin did. I get the impression when I watch both of them play that as great as Ovechkin is, Crosby will have a considerably longer career, Ovechkin relies a lot on natural skills more then Crosby, being faster, stronger ect then the opposition, his style may also lead him to more serious injuries like a Pavel Bure... Crosby is the kind of guy who could still be scoring 80-90 points into his late 30's like Wayne. That's nothing but an opinion though so take it for what it's worth. When you consider, position, potential, age, career to this point and ability to make those around him better I think Crosby is the hands down selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl1010 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Define "particularly good goalscorer," because he did score 39 goals as an 18 year old in the NHL and obviously has the potential to score 50+ in his prime. He's maybe not as much of a natural goal scorer as some guys, and he's definitely not in the Gretzky/Mario class (Or even Ovechkin class for that matter) but he's capable of being a 50+ goal guy imo. Agreed on that point. I would take Crosby and I don't even think it's that hard. Let's not forget Crosby is still basically 2 full years younger, which is a substantial gap when you're talking about development at that age group. Right now obviously the majority will remember last year when Crosby spent a lot of time hurt, and Ovechkin played 82 games, lead his team into the playoffs and won the Hart if this question was asked after 06-07, the majority would probably say Crosby. Let's also remember, last year despite the injury Crosby still scored at about the same points pergame clip that Ovechkin did. I get the impression when I watch both of them play that as great as Ovechkin is, Crosby will have a considerably longer career, Ovechkin relies a lot on natural skills more then Crosby, being faster, stronger ect then the opposition, his style may also lead him to more serious injuries like a Pavel Bure... Crosby is the kind of guy who could still be scoring 80-90 points into his late 30's like Wayne. That's nothing but an opinion though so take it for what it's worth. When you consider, position, potential, age, career to this point and ability to make those around him better I think Crosby is the hands down selection. I agree with you alot but I'd still choose Ovechkin. I don't know why but when I see him, I just feel that somethings going to happen. Maybe it's 'cause he has that smile and exciting nature or 'cause he's usually flying down the ice and hitting people. It's a hard question tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 ALEX OVECHKINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innis_Mor Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Here are some Tid Bits on Alexander Ovechkin: "When the team sent him his first contract, he refused to sign it and mail it back. He wanted to ink the deal in the presence of GM George McPhee so he could shake his hand and thank him. Less than three years later, the Caps won the Southeast. What did Ovechkin do to reform Washington? Scoring 163 goals in three seasons helped. So did his infectious spirit, which energized the franchise. Ovechkin will answer the phone at 3 a.m.—it's called accountability. "He's the first guy at the computer after the game, wanting to see his shifts," says coach Bruce Boudreau. "He wants to think about the game. If he doesn't understand something, he makes sure he gets it right." Ovechkin has so much energy he's practically radioactive. On the ice, he moves from zone to zone so quickly that linemates struggle to keep up. In the locker room, he darts around like a horsefly. After the Caps won the Southeast last season, Ovechkin pulled a freshly printed championship T-shirt over his dress shirt and announced he was going out on the town. D-man Mike Green shot him a no-way-I'm-going-out-like-that look but joined the party after forwards Alexander Semin and Sergei Fedorov copied Ovie. "He's full of life," says Caps captain Chris Clark. "Gets everybody going, jumping around. We ask how he does it, and he says, 'I don't know what I do, I just do!'" In Ovechkin, the Caps have a leader who is ready to roll up his sleeves, a star who is still a working stiff. Every leader needs a climactic story point that illustrates his character. For Ovechkin, it's a game in Pittsburgh last season when he took a skate to the leg and left the Igloo with a six-inch gash. None of the Caps would have blamed him for returning to DC to heal, but Ovechkin traveled with the team to Ottawa and played two nights later, scoring four goals and an assist in an 8-6 win. "Every time he moved, the stitches opened," says Boudreau. "And he played through it." Ovechkin brought that style to America, taking command of the game when necessary but cheering just as loudly for a teammate's blocked shot as for a goal. Before a shootout in Pittsburgh in January, Ovechkin gave teammate Quintin Laing a high-five for critical late-game blocks, then picked up the puck and scored. Ovechkin also calls Caps brass repeatedly during the summer to make sure contract negotiations with teammates and free agents move quickly. And for good measure, he has decorated his BMW M6 with a Caps flag. After he collected his four trophies for the 2007-08 season—Hart (the team's first league MVP), Lester B. Pearson (the players' MVP), Maurice Richard (most goals) and Art Ross (most points)—Ovechkin told Leonsis he would trade all four for one Cup. "We think we can be good," says Laich. "We aren't afraid of anybody. We're very curious to see how good we can be." Ovechkin already knows: "Washington can do the same as Pittsburgh, except we'll win the Cup." Even Detroit coach Mike Babcock is convinced, telling Leonsis, "No one wants to play you guys." You know change has come when enemies are believers. Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?se...&id=3604260 Thanks for this. Good read. For me it's Ovechkin, for all those reasons and more. He's the more complete player. And he's a player's player, a coach's player, an owner's player, a fan's player. He's the best thing that has happened to hockey in a good while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Define "particularly good goalscorer," because he did score 39 goals as an 18 year old in the NHL and obviously has the potential to score 50+ in his prime. He's maybe not as much of a natural goal scorer as some guys, and he's definitely not in the Gretzky/Mario class (Or even Ovechkin class for that matter) but he's capable of being a 50+ goal guy imo. Yes, he started with 39 goals, which would have been fine had he been able to build on it; but it went down the next 2 years. It's possible he'll score 50 at some point, but I doubt it's the norm and he may never reach that plateau. Now of course it's all relevant, 30-40 goals from a player is great. But in the context of franchise players, his goalscoring is a drawback. Crosby is an amazing player, but as far as guys who get the "franchise" label attached to them go, his goalscoring isn't great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcammalleri Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Richard or Gretzky? Richard Ovechkin or Crosby? _____ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I like Ovechkin's energy level, but I would worry that he will burn himself out quickly playing like that all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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