tony1234 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Ah-ha ha !!!! Just showed that zinger to my son the Leaf fan !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohboy Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 on more than one occasion Hughson stated the habs had a top PP line out and said he didn't agree with it, at the end he even went so far to say "I didn't think Carbo would do that" (not exact quote but along those lines) so please don't ***** in my ear and tell me it's raining, i heard what i heard... and whether people knew it was our top PP line or not it would be like complaining even stating it everytime, he could have easily said "the habs are on the PP" but he insisted on making sure everyone knew montreal had their #1,#2 lines out... and even then Kost, Lapierre and Dandy all played on the PP at some point and all 3 are 4th liners at best, so he did his job wrong by stating it was our 1st or 2nd pp unit I cant believe that any announcers even consider suggesting that what our team did was wrong. Firstly, its obvious that some analysts are not watching just one game at a time (Cherry) because anyone who watched the whole game could see that the entire third period was dedicated to getting Sergei his hat-trick. Secondly we came into this game facing a cocky, bottom-feeding, long time, division rival and sent a message across. I mean cmon it took half a period before our boys put the Toronto kids tanks on empty. Furthermore, why blame the habs for being that good. How about we blame the team whos second line center couldnt make our team? Its not our fault Toronto put a sad display on the ice. Maybe they shouldnt be claiming the cup 1 game into the season, imagine the score if we had of treated them like reigning champs? And lastly its the second game of the year and we are on the powerplay up 5-0, 6-1, etc. What better time is there to teach your team how to cycle the puck and work on entering the zone, setting up, retrieving rebounds, etc? I dont think Carbo could have done a better job then he did in this situation. The leafs have 7 more games against us and unless they want to get embarassed again they better ice a better effort. Oh and yes Hughson also made remarks. I too heard these, hence why im quoting you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafsbaby08 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 in case you missed it, this is a discussion about how important the Habs PP is to their total offense... how is that a flawed argument? those are the actual numbers when they were 5-on-5 and on the PP... the flaw is you're arguing a hypothetical is just as important as the actual reality, but arguing what could/would have happened is irrelevant to the actual situation... it simply does not matter that they would have scored 5-on-5, because they did NOT score 5-on-5, they were given a PP instead... if they don't score on the PP, they aren't going to be given a goal just because they would have scored at even strength in an alternate reality... that is why the Habs PP is so important to their offense, the REALITY is they would be on the PP and that is the situation in which they would now have to score... so your argument boils down to 'would-have-scored 5-on-5 if not for the penalty' is equal to an actual PP goal... I think the offical scorer would disagree... well then, I guess if the Habs finish 14th in the league in points, barely over .500, you'd consider that they did 'quite well'... I think a lot of people would argue against that... wayne buddy, what i'm trying to say is that the habs did NOT depend on their PP to win games for them last season, thats just not true. i remember many games won last season in which ES goals outweighed their PP goals. like its been said before, your arguement is quite flawed. and by the way, finished 9th in the league last season in ES goals which is pretty darn good and that also means that in no way shape of form did we DEPEND on the PP to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 We played our big guys because we needed to. We had alot of players not get into much pre season action because of injury. We also were playing lines that hadn't played alot together. Guy did it to help these guys get going , something that was not achievable in the pre season. Our team's well being comes way before the leafs feelings anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafsbaby08 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 We played our big guys because we needed to. We had alot of players not get into much pre season action because of injury. We also were playing lines that hadn't played alot together. Guy did it to help these guys get going , something that was not achievable in the pre season. Our team's well being comes way before the leafs feelings anyday. And I also find it interesting that Cherry (who isn't a big fan of goal celebrations) didn't even mention Blake's pathetic goal celebration after his team is still down by 4. He's a good hockey personality but his love for the Bruins and Laffs completely BLINDS him. Maybe he wears both contact lenses in one eye and his hearing aid up his butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwonger Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 No thanks, I like the one we already have. I hope BG signs him and locks him up until he retires! Kovy and Tangs would both be better captains; but they'll never demote Saks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Kovy and Tangs would both be better captains; but they'll never demote Saks Not only is this not true at all, but there is an entire thread devoted to this topic !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 " I'm not sure I like the fact Guy Carbonneau still has his foot on the gas" before the 10min mark in 3rd... "And the regular Powerplay unit goes to work again" 5min left in 3rd... "Guy Cabonneau is rubbing it in as well, both units" 4min left in 3rd when referring to habs fans OLEOLEOLE and the "2nd PP unit" on the ice I just watched the entire game on Leafs TV and those were EXACT quotes... Thats not including just before faceoffs or even all plays because the replay is a compressed version... It was a nice agrument/waste of time, but like I said "I heard what I heard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsgal Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Well, it's pretty good to finally see hockey back. And it was doubly great when someone put the TV on last night and the score plastered on the set was 6-1 for our boys. I didn't get to see the game in its entirety but from what I'm reading here - it was an all out effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laup007 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 feels good to have a saturday night game against the leafs. would've been more great if the game was at the bell but anyways im very proud of our guys GO HABS GO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-1 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 what I said: no other team in the league relies on their PP more than the Habs... TRUE -- no other team scores a higher percentage of their goals on the PP or more PP goals there were a few times last season when the PP went cold for a stretch and the team rarely won those nights... TRUE -- the few stretches in which the Habs had multiple-game losing streaks or won only once or twice in a long losing stretch, the PP rarely scored what you said: last year we still finished very close to 1st in the league in even strength goals... the Habs had a GREAT season last year 5 on 5... we were GREAT last year even strength though and it was widely talked about in comparison to 06-07... but AGAIN, we still did quite well scoring even strength. there is just no arguement for that... by any objective standard, FALSE -- they finished 9th in even-strength goals, 9th in 5-on-5 goals, tied for 13th in even-strength goal differential, and 14th in 5-on-5 goal differential if you go back and do the math you'll see that we were constantly drawing penaltys last season so we had no choice but to have a high percentage of our goals on the PP... FALSE -- no other team with more PP opportunites scored more goals or a larger percentage of their goals on the PP, so 'having no choice' is not true it was our strong 5 on 5 forecheck that led to all those PP... ILLOGICAL -- if the result of the 5-on-5 play is not a goal, but a PP, that actually supports the argument that the Habs rely on their PP to score... what they would have done 5-on-5 is irrelevant, the goal must now come on the PP what i'm trying to say is that the habs did NOT depend on their PP to win games for them last season, thats just not true.I said they relied on their PP more than any other team, which is true... it would be true no matter the proportion to total goals, as long as the rest of the league scored at a lower rate, but since the proportion was significant, more than a third, it could easily be argued that their reliance on the PP was also significant... I also said that when they were on losing streaks the PP was an element that definitely was not working well, which is also true and supported by the facts... i remember many games won last season in which ES goals outweighed their PP goals. like its been said before, your arguement is quite flawed. my argument is 'quite flawed'?... you're comparing how many goals they scored in usually 30-40 minutes of game time straight-up to how many they scored in at most 10-14 minutes... by that 'logic', since they usually played 3 to 4 times longer 5-on-5 than on the PP, they should have scored 3 to 4 times as many 5-on-5 goals as PP goals... it's a ridiculous argument... and by the way, finished 9th in the league last season in ES goals which is pretty darn good and that also means that in no way shape of form did we DEPEND on the PP to win games.maybe finishing 9th out of 30 teams is 'pretty darn good' if you're talking to a bunch of children, it's mediocre/average by professional sports standards... only 9th in even-strength goals, but 2nd in total goals scored, how would you explain that if not for the Habs reliance on their PP?... I never said the Habs relied solely on their PP to win games, I said that their offense relies significantly on their PP and the logical extension to that argument is the team's success is also tied to the PP -- if A greatly affects B, and B greatly affects C, then A must also affect C, though usually on a lesser scale... there's really no point going on with this with you... I've said things that are statistically supported, you've replied with arguments that are objectively untrue and/or illogical, yet you suggest I check the numbers, which I have but you apparently have not because they don't support what you claim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-1 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 " I'm not sure I like the fact Guy Carbonneau still has his foot on the gas" before the 10min mark in 3rd... "And the regular Powerplay unit goes to work again" 5min left in 3rd... "Guy Cabonneau is rubbing it in as well, both units" 4min left in 3rd when referring to habs fans OLEOLEOLE and the "2nd PP unit" on the ice I just watched the entire game on Leafs TV and those were EXACT quotes... Thats not including just before faceoffs or even all plays because the replay is a compressed version... It was a nice agrument/waste of time, but like I said "I heard what I heard" were they all Jim Hughson?... I'm not doubting those things were said, I didn't re-watch the game so I'll take your word for it, but it doesn't sound like Hughson, especially since he did make the point as to why the Habs would want to play a PP unit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-1 Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 on more than one occasion Hughson stated the habs had a top PP line out and said he didn't agree with it, at the end he even went so far to say "I didn't think Carbo would do that" (not exact quote but along those lines) so please don't ***** in my ear and tell me it's raining, i heard what i heard... and whether people knew it was our top PP line or not it would be like complaining even stating it everytime, he could have easily said "the habs are on the PP" but he insisted on making sure everyone knew montreal had their #1,#2 lines out... and even then Kost, Lapierre and Dandy all played on the PP at some point and all 3 are 4th liners at best, so he did his job wrong by stating it was our 1st or 2nd pp unitbut Hughson wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't point that out... that was a fact, one not every fan would know, so it's his job to inform them... whether he did/should have voiced his displeasure, that's a subjective opinion... btw, while the 4th line did indeed get PP time in the 3rd, the units that were out there for the faceoffs actually were the top 2 PP units (with the exception of Latendresse replacing Lang in the first unit) so if Hughson made those statements during the break for a faceoff, he was correct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 After the Twilight-Zone-Result of Thursday night's Leafs-Wings game, I, for one, am happy to see things returning to a more normal state of affairs. Almost 2 days is way too long to have to look up the standings to find Toronto. Let's hope that foolishness is over now. Keep it up, Team. There are more scores to settle on Monday in Philadelphia. GO HABS GO! our score with Philly wont be settled on monday, one game aint gonna settle that score great game to watch with a lot of leaf fans...I somehow believe at work on Tuesday nobody will be bringing up hockey!!! the talk of 82-0 is over in leaf land lol the habs definately got the bounces and thought they looked great aside from Mike K who looks a little lost at times so far in the first two games... ps - why the hell did blake do the slidding fist pump through the slot after his tap in goal? cause he is an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 were they all Jim Hughson?... I'm not doubting those things were said, I didn't re-watch the game so I'll take your word for it, but it doesn't sound like Hughson, especially since he did make the point as to why the Habs would want to play a PP unit... Hughson did make those comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 were they all Jim Hughson?... I'm not doubting those things were said, I didn't re-watch the game so I'll take your word for it, but it doesn't sound like Hughson, especially since he did make the point as to why the Habs would want to play a PP unit... All three were made by the colour commentator, i don't know the guys name and never used the guys name orginally, but if it was Hoghson that colour commentated then hes your man... and it may not have sounded like him but i watched it today and thats what the colour commentator said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2VP Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Craig Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 its kinda funny that all this bias commentary talk came from this joke........... CBC announcers aren't happy the habs still have their foot on the gas pedal... we have kostopolous out there on a power play haha... i dont know what else we could do except ask 5 leafs to put on habs jersys for 2 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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