74Kos-yn-31Price Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Why is it that in the media there seems to be this big fight about us having 23 cups or 24??? I have always believed we have 24... but on tv more and more i hear the commentators claim we only have 23... did we trade one to calgary as part of the Tanguay deal? Just Kidding Anyone care to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull12 Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Not sure where you are hearing 23 but its definately 24... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 i know its 24... but even some sports shows claim its 23... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsters_mtl Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 The first one was before the NHL formed so that's why some say we only have 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Canadiens The team won its first Stanley Cup championship in the 1915-16 season[7]. In 1917, with four other NHA teams, the Canadiens formed the NHL[7], and they won their first NHL Stanley Cup during the 1923-24 season, led by Howie Morenz ooops, already posted by Habsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsters_mtl Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Canadiens The team won its first Stanley Cup championship in the 1915-16 season[7]. In 1917, with four other NHA teams, the Canadiens formed the NHL[7], and they won their first NHL Stanley Cup during the 1923-24 season, led by Howie Morenz ooops, already posted by Habsters That's ok Regis you actually explained it more than I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74Kos-yn-31Price Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Thanks guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHA): The National Hockey Association (NHA)(officially the National Hockey Association of Canada Limited) was a professional ice hockey organization with teams in Ontario and Quebec, Canada. It is the direct predecessor organization to today's National Hockey League (NHL). In 1917, the NHA was disbanded in order to get rid of an unwanted owner and the remaining league owners started the NHL. ----------------- So I'd say it should probably count, although technically we only have 23 NHL cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 So I'd say it should probably count, although technically we only have 23 NHL cups. Yeah but we dont call them NHL Cups. We call them Stanley Cups,,, and we got 24 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 24.5 Cups One year in the finals the Stanley Cup flu pandemic caused the finals to be cancelled. Montreal Canadiens were tied with Seattle Metropolitans when the finals were cancelled. Okay 24 Cups. But not 23 Cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bailey1 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 The Habs are older than the NHL...we can claim whatever the heck we want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareyPrice31 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 It's not the Habs fault the NHL failed to be created before them. The 1st cup counts, we have 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dintrox12 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 The habs have won the cup 24 times and the NHL championship 23 times. I got a bud light T-shirt last year that only has the 23 NHL champion stanley cups.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risteenhuis Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 The habs have won the cup 24 times and the NHL championship 23 times. I got a bud light T-shirt last year that only has the 23 NHL champion stanley cups.. Ironic. The Stanley Cup is far older then the NHL. I have never called it or thought that it was the NHL Stanley Cup. Just the Stanley Cup. If you are counting NHL Championships then Montreal actually has 25 NHL Championship. 23 when only the NHL existed, 1 NHL championship in 1924-25 when the Canadiens lost to Victoria Cougars, and 1 NHL championship in 1918-19 when Montreal won the NHL championship but the Stanley Cup finals were cancelled due to the flu epidemic. Only year before the lockout that the Stanley Cup was not awarded to any team. Montreal has 24 Stanley Cups, 25 NHL Championships, and were tied in 1918-19 Stanley Cup finals when the playoffs were cancelled. Stanley Cup Finals I think that as a hockey fan, citizen of Canada, and intelligent person that the NHL should stop marketing it as the NHL champion stanley cups. It is the Stanley Cup. Teams have been trying to win it since 1892. Too bad the the NHL was not the only professional organization that awarded the Stanley Cup until 1926. The courts have ruled that "A 2006 Ontario Superior Court case found that the trustees had gone against Lord Stanley's conditions in the 1947 agreement. The NHL has agreed to allow other teams to play for the Cup should the league not be operating, as was the case in the 2004–05 NHL lockout" The Stanley Cup could become a challenge system if the NHL is not operating. IMO this means that the Stanley Cup does not belong to the NHL. But rather the NHL awards the Stanley Cup to the team that wins the playoff format. And simple math that has been preverted by the NHL head office in New York City is calling this the 100th Season. It is not the 100th season. Simple and clear math. The 100th Anniversary does not even occur until December 4, 1909. Montreal is a team that is rich in history. Why did the Montreal Canadiens allow the NHL to change history and FACTS. This is not the 100th Season. Count the number of seasons, even if you assume 1909 was the first season (the first game was in 1910) and then don't count the lockout. This is not the 100th Season. Get a list of the years Montreal played hockey and count them. I challenge anyone that has the ability to count to 100 to get to 100 seasons. Why couldn't the 100th Anniversay and 100th Season be the same time. Ironically with the lockout the two would occur in the same year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmash Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yeah but we dont call them NHL Cups. We call them Stanley Cups,,, and we got 24 of them. I think NHL cups is a bit of a better description. If we go by Stanley Cups, Ottawa has 9 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I think NHL cups is a bit of a better description. If we go by Stanley Cups, Ottawa has 9 ... I'll concede them the 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 The only reason they say 23 is they are jealous !!! Everyone hates a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CareyPrice31 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think NHL cups is a bit of a better description. If we go by Stanley Cups, Ottawa has 9 ... The Ottawa team we have now is a different club than the original Sens, the modern team just used their name. Original Sens moved to St.Louis then folded after 1 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think NHL cups is a bit of a better description. If we go by Stanley Cups, Ottawa has 9 ... I see your point Graeme, the big difference I see with the Habs and Ottawa, is that the Habs have always been there/here. Ottawa's had several different teams over the years, they've been the senators, the seals and then the senators of today. The Habs haven't been moved to another city or folded. It's fair to say that as a city-Ottawa has 9 cups, but as a team the Habs have 24, it's been the same organization since 1909 - Granted ownership and arenas have changed over the years, but it's still the same team. Basically, when they became part of the NHL, they did so with the same players that played in the NHA. To say the sens (of today) have 9 Stanley Cups, it would be like the Habs trying to claim the accomplishments of the maroons as those of the Habs; Same city, but different organizations. I know some will argue the same thing about teams that came out of the WHA in the expansion (in 1979), but those where 2 very different leagues and at that point, the NHL was already an established league; Also, the WHA wasn't playing for the Stanley Cup either. The NHL acknowledges that the Habs have been around since 1909, not to acknowledge their 24 Stanley Cups would be a lil hypocritical imo. Why does the NHL acknowledge the 100 years of the Habs? For the same reason I explained earlier-same organization. I guess it comes down to different points of view, but this is the way I see it. It's a good argument though Graeme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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