Rocket-1 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Why hes on pace for 60 points this year. Surely someone can squeeze in 60 points into their lineup..... I highly doubt that, just remember what we got Kovalev for in the first place. Kovalev trade value = very low, coming from an 80 pts season or not, i guess it's a reputation thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I highly doubt that, just remember what we got Kovalev for in the first place. Kovalev trade value = very low, coming from an 80 pts season or not, i guess it's a reputation thing. I didn't know 60 points was low, guess my standards for what teams will trade for is confused seeing as Marian Hossa had 66 points last year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I didn't know 60 points was low, guess my standards for what teams will trade for is confused seeing as Marian Hossa had 66 points last year.... I'm not really sure why 60 points is low either, considering that everyone was praising our team for having 7 50+ point players last season. If Kovalev finishes with around 65 points, that would be a solid season, not great, but certainly not poor, and in line with what he has historically produced during his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I didn't know 60 points was low, guess my standards for what teams will trade for is confused seeing as Marian Hossa had 66 points last year.... I'll pay you 1,000$ to point me where i said that 60 points was low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I'm no salary cap expert, but we are saving money from Komisarek since he's on injured reserve, + we initially had cap room, so I'm hoping that if we get Kovalchuk in a few weeks, that maybe we'd only have to dump somebody like Begin. I do realize however that that may be wishful thinking and that you're right that we have to shed a larger salary The cap room we save from Komisarek is going to amount to only a few 100K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK74_mtl Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 I think Kovalchuk may possibly maybe end up with the Hamilton Bulldogs, then again it's not possibly likely but hopefully a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Kovalchuck is one of those guys that you really go after. He is not even 30 and has led the league in goals for the past four years on a team that SUCKS. I hope that this guy becomes a Hab and hopefully through free agency NEXT year. I think a dirty, dirty line would be (if he signs next year and Koivu signs to) A. Kostitsyn - Koivu - Kovalchuck...dirty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Price123 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I hope kovalchuk goes to the habs!!!!!!!!!! GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 "The Atlanta Journal-Constitution We all expect Ilya Kovalchuk to leave when his contract expires after the 2010 season, but there’s no need for Don Waddell to wait. The general manager should clear the air that befogs his last-place team. He should trade Kovalchuk now. Kovalchuk has flashed past the point of diminishing returns. He has averaged 42 goals over his first six seasons; he’s on pace to score 24. He has averaged 3.7 shots per game over those six seasons; he’s averaging 2.8 shots now. He’s playing like a man who wants to be elsewhere. Can we blame him for that? Not really. The Thrashers have been awful for most of their existence, and Kovalchuk has been a Thrasher since 2001. Esteemed colleague Mike Knobler wrote an eye-opening story two weeks ago, posing the question: Why isn’t Kovalchuk team captain? And the man himself seemed to provide the answer in a quote: “I’m not here to be the franchise’s face or anything.” On sheer talent, Kovalchuk is among the world’s five best players. The Montreal radio crew was buzzing over his skill in Tuesday night’s game, and in Montreal they’ve seen their share of hockey players. But the Thrashers lost to the Canadiens, and the Atlanta angle from that game wasn’t that Kovalchuk looked spiffy with a stick in his hands but that he’d been demoted to a checking line by coach John Anderson. If you’re counting, Anderson is the fourth Thrashers coach who has tried to turn Kovalchuk into something more than a solo artist, but it seems clear he’ll only achieve true greatness by joining a team with other great players. The Thrashers are not that team and won’t be anytime soon. So why hang onto an ongoing distraction? With the trade deadline at hand, Waddell managed to extract two useful players (Erik Christensen and Colby Armstrong), a prospect (Angelo Esposito) and a No. 1 draft pick in the February trade that sent Marian Hossa to Pittsburgh. Kovalchuk would surely bring far more, and there’s no sense waiting until February 2010 to move. The Thrashers need lots of new players. As gifted as he is, Kovalchuk is only one man, and with every loss his case for being indispensable disintegrates. The Thrashers are already in last place. They can do no worse without him." If he is worth more than Hossa the Habs have to part with a lot to get him. 1st Rounder Andrei Kostitsyn Chris Higgins Kyle Chipchura More??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 We can't give up Andrei Kostitsyn either, you want to know why? Because Kovalchuk is very, very likely to not resign with the team he's gonna be traded in. So why would you give up Andrei for a 1 year guy. And Andrei is part of Montreal future long term plan anyway so i highly doubt he's going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 We can't give up Andrei Kostitsyn either, you want to know why? Because Kovalchuk is very, very likely to not resign with the team he's gonna be traded in. So why would you give up Andrei for a 1 year guy. And Andrei is part of Montreal future long term plan anyway so i highly doubt he's going anywhere. I agree that Andrei K. is part of the core long term players of this team and I would hate to part with him. But, I think that he would be a key piece in getting Kovalchuck. If there was a sign a trade thing then it would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 We can't give up Andrei Kostitsyn either, you want to know why? Because Kovalchuk is very, very likely to not resign with the team he's gonna be traded in. So why would you give up Andrei for a 1 year guy. And Andrei is part of Montreal future long term plan anyway so i highly doubt he's going anywhere. I think it could be debated whether or not Kovalchuk would re-sign with the Habs... but I say the chances of him re-signing are very good when you consider the difference in the Montreal Market as compared to where he has been. Also IMO he is everything A.Kos could ever dream to be and more in terms of a Hockey player... he's done that on a very weak team already and would be even better playing with the Habs IMO. The problem I believe could be that S.Kos would have to be a part of any deal sending A.Kos anywhere. With an over-abundance of potentially fairly talented players in the Montreal system, to get a player like Kovalchuk there are some that are expenadable in my view (including S.Kos and A.Kos)(even Tanguay IMO). I believe any of Higgins, Plekanec, Latendresse could be added to S.Kos and A.Kos or Tanguay along with a salary dump of one of Bouillon, Dandenault, Begin... Would Atlanta be interested in any of them... I think they would and would be willing to take on a salary dump to complete a deal. But the dollars required remain the main issue. With a Cap hit of 6.400 through 2010 this would not be an easy thing to accomplish this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amp73 Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/20...660081-sun.html Is time about to run out on Ilya Kovalchuk in Atlanta? Multiple NHL sources told Sun Media yesterday that Thrashers general manager Don Waddell has held serious talks with several teams about the possibility of moving the high-scoring winger, who makes $7.5 million US, and is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 2009-10 season. Trading the 25-year-old Kovalchuk would be a difficult move for Waddell to make, but with the Thrashers sitting last in the NHL, there is no doubt Atlanta would be able to acquire a package of players and draft picks that would help the team get back on track. The Russian has only eight goals in 25 games this season, but has averaged 42 a season in his first six in the NHL. Habs GM Bob Gainey could easily move some of the 10 players scheduled to become unrestricted free agents at the end of the season as part of a deal for Kovalchuk. "This is going to be an interesting situation to watch because Waddell can't let these guys fall much further," a league executive said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 But the dollars required remain the main issue. With a Cap hit of 6.400 through 2010 this would not be an easy thing to accomplish this. I highly doubt the cap hit would be a problem, just remove Lang for Maxwell next year and you just free'd up 4 million right there. But im very skeptical about Kovalchuk of course he's an elite player and a superstar (what montreal needs) but i have the feeling that he's the kind of guy who's gonna want to test the market in 2010 and blow the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyle00cdn Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 The thing that makes Kovalchuk look so attractive is that his presence on the team would inadvertently pick Kovalev's game up, primarily because opposing teams would have no choice but to move their double coverage from Kovalev to Kovalchuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauro-Biello Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 TO MTL Kovalchuk To ATL 1st round 2009 2nd round 2009 3rd round 2009 D'Agostini HIggins Latendresse McDonagh O'Byrne or Carle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contreal-Manadiens Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 TO MTL Kovalchuk To ATL 1st round 2009 2nd round 2009 3rd round 2009 D'Agostini HIggins Latendresse McDonagh O'Byrne or Carle I don't think we'd have to give all those picks in addition to the players and prospects, but nonetheless, I'd do this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1119 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I can't see all those young guys going either. Especially not with all those pics. I would suspect a solid high round pick (likely 2nd this year, 1st in 2010 as we are hosting the 2009 draft) and 2-3 roster players, as Atlanta needs to really improve now vs later. I'd suggest To Mtl: Kovalchuck To Atl: 2nd 2009 1st 2010 Fisher Kovalev Bouillon/Dandenault (cap dump) Latendresse I find it hard to trade away Latendress, I see him as another LeClair. Kovalev would be needed to improve their situation at wing and he is talented enough to pull in 20-30 fans a game (doubling their paid attendance). Fisher is a blue chip defensive prospect. Bouillon/Dandenault either would be solid for them, allowing them to make the Schneider trade at the deadline, and they get some added draft picks to go with thwir high end pics from this year. This frees up 7.5 M$ in cap space added to the approx 2M$, this gives us nearly 10M$, 6.4M goes to Kovalchuck, leaving about 2M$ for a deadline deal of a #4 D-man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFT77 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I would suggest something along the lines of: Higgins D'Agostini Lapierre/Chipchura Fischer 1st rounder Not sure if that would be quite enough quality though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriBri Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I would suggest something like this.. Kovalchuk ............................... David Fischer 2nd round pick 2009 1st round pick 2010 Christopher Higgins Guillaume Latendresse Robert Lang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I highly doubt the cap hit would be a problem, just remove Lang for Maxwell next year and you just free'd up 4 million right there. But im very skeptical about Kovalchuk of course he's an elite player and a superstar (what montreal needs) but i have the feeling that he's the kind of guy who's gonna want to test the market in 2010 and blow the bank. I was actually meaning this year in terms of that cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 TO MTL Kovalchuk To ATL 1st round 2009 2nd round 2009 3rd round 2009 D'Agostini HIggins Latendresse McDonagh O'Byrne or Carle If Gainey did that I would want him fired on the spot, I love winning and all, but I'm not for sucking for the next 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubby31 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 TO MTL Kovalchuk To ATL 1st round 2009 2nd round 2009 3rd round 2009 D'Agostini HIggins Latendresse McDonagh O'Byrne or Carle Seems like alot to give up,really. Never see that happening. C'mon,your kidding around......are you? Go habs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I was actually meaning this year in terms of that cap space. We only need 1,090,000$ to make room for Kovalchuk, so if 1 or 2 players with NHL contracts are involve in the trade we got enough room for him. I'll explain myself, the cap space at the moment is: 1,550,000$ (you could easily add 860,000$ to that amount (Ryan O'byrne salary if sent to hamilton) so that would makes it: 2,410,000$)) Kovalchuk cap hit at the beginning of the season was hard to fit (6,400,000$) but not anymore, you have to keep in mind that this guy earn crazy amounts of money every week (290,000$ a week to be exact) so by the end of the week, will be 10 weeks into the season, so Atlanta is gonna already have pay him 2,900,000$ on that 6,400,000$ cap hit, so the canadiens would "only" have to pay 3,500,000$ for Kovalchuk for the rest of the season. But anyway like i said, i think it would be wiser to spend that money otherwise! I said it and im gonna say it again, Kovalchuk is not going to resign with the team he'll be trade in! And Atlanta is gonna ask for young talented NHLers in return for Kovalchuk (and draft picks too) i think that's too much to pay for a 1 1/2 year guy (of course he's top 10 in the league skills wise, a very very talented hockey player, don't give me wrong) but picture the disappointment of the fans if we give up great young players and during the summer of 2010, Kovalchuk wait until July 1st and blow the bank somewhere else. Seems like alot to give up,really. Never see that happening. C'mon,your kidding around......are you? Go habs... Of course he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 We only need 1,090,000$ to make room for Kovalchuk, so if 1 or 2 players with NHL contracts are involve in the trade we got enough room for him. I'll explain myself, the cap space at the moment is: 1,550,000$ (you could easily add 860,000$ to that amount (Ryan O'byrne salary if sent to hamilton) so that would makes it: 2,410,000$)) Kovalchuk cap hit at the beginning of the season was hard to fit (6,400,000$) but not anymore, you have to keep in mind that this guy earn crazy amounts of money every week (290,000$ a week to be exact) so by the end of the week, will be 10 weeks into the season, so Atlanta is gonna already have pay him 2,900,000$ on that 6,400,000$ cap hit, so the canadiens would "only" have to pay 3,500,000$ for Kovalchuk for the rest of the season. But anyway like i said, i think it would be wiser to spend that money otherwise! I said it and im gonna say it again, Kovalchuk is not going to resign with the team he'll be trade in! And Atlanta is gonna ask for young talented NHLers in return for Kovalchuk (and draft picks too) i think that's too much to pay for a 1 1/2 year guy (of course he's top 10 in the league skills wise, a very very talented hockey player, don't give me wrong) but picture the disappointment of the fans if we give up great young players and during the summer of 2010, Kovalchuk wait until July 1st and blow the bank somewhere else. Of course he is The numbers don't add up... just as his salry/caphit is pro-rated so are any Habs (and I would suggest it is tabulated on the number of games played by a player's team to-date.) Why do you think he will not re-sign with a team he is traded to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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