Report: Kovalchuk To Montreal Or Toronto?

[leafs_rock_go_mccabe]

Kov is never and I repeat never coming to Montreal

How do you know?

Also, it's fun to speculate!

[mac--amp--Cheese]

The only reason my numbers were a little off it's because ive read somewhere that Kovalchuk was making 290,000$ a week, but that was probably translated into canadiens dollars for some reason, anyway your math on 34,408.60 times 126 is wrong and it's 4,335,483.60 and minus 240,860.20 every week from now on.

So next week it's a little more than 4 million minus our cap room + 2 players with NHL contract going the other way, that would be possible.

The only problem is...... I don't want Kovalchuk unless he comes here with an extension already signed which is..... never going to happen.

Rocket, I am really not in a position to debate the league formula with you. I am just not as certain as you appear to be. As I read the CBA, they use the 186 days as a league season for their calculations and I feel more comfortable using the system as it appears in the CBA.

However, in my calculations I started the season on Oct.10th. it may have been the 9th. or earlier, I just can’t recall.

As I review your weekly formula I wonder if your method may be a quicker shortcut but more as approximate, if you multiply my daily number $34,408.60 by 7 days we get $240,860.20 your weekly number. The question would then be, when do you start your week; Sunday, Monday or Friday and how do you handle the days prior to the start of week 1.or the days in between should the trade fall mid-week?.

I see Kovalchuk is already signed through the 09/10 season becoming a UFA July 1, 2010. are you suggesting he has to resign for longer?.

[leafs_rock_go_mccabe]

To :

Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.400) - UFA in 2010-2011.

5th round draft choice (2009).

To :

Alexei Kovalev ($4.500) - UFA in 2009-2010.

Chris Higgins ($1.700) - RFA in 2009-2010.

Guillaume Latendresse ($0.850) - RFA in 2009-2010.

Mathieu Carle ($0.850) - RFA in 2010-2011.

1st round draft choice (2009).

Straight up!

POST-TRADE ROSTER:

Alex Tanguay - Saku Koivu - Matt D'Agostini

Andrei Kostitsyn - Robert Lang - Ilya Kovalchuk

Sergei Kostitsyn - Tomas Plekanec - Tom Kostopoulos

Kyle Chipchura - Maxim Lapierre - Georges Laraque

Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek

Roman Hamrlik - Josh Gorges

Francis Bouillon - Mathieu Dandenault

(Ryan O'Byrne, Steve Begin, Patrice Brisebois) - Additional/Pressbox.

Carey Price (Starter)

Jaroslav Halak

PP UNITS:

Robert Lang - Saku Koivu - Ilya Kovalchuk

Andrei Markov - Andrei Kostitsyn

Alex Tanguay - Tomas Plekanec - Ilya Kovalchuk

Andrei Markov - Roman Hamrlik

[habs1119]

To :

Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.400) - UFA in 2010-2011.

5th round draft choice (2009).

To :

Alexei Kovalev ($4.500) - UFA in 2009-2010.

Chris Higgins ($1.700) - RFA in 2009-2010.

Guillaume Latendresse ($0.850) - RFA in 2009-2010.

Mathieu Carle ($0.850) - RFA in 2010-2011.

1st round draft choice (2009).

Straight up!

POST-TRADE ROSTER:

Alex Tanguay - Saku Koivu - Matt D'Agostini

Andrei Kostitsyn - Robert Lang - Ilya Kovalchuk

Sergei Kostitsyn - Tomas Plekanec - Tom Kostopoulos

Kyle Chipchura - Maxim Lapierre - Georges Laraque

Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek

Roman Hamrlik - Josh Gorges

Francis Bouillon - Mathieu Dandenault

(Ryan O'Byrne, Steve Begin, Patrice Brisebois) - Additional/Pressbox.

Carey Price (Starter)

Jaroslav Halak

PP UNITS:

Robert Lang - Saku Koivu - Ilya Kovalchuk

Andrei Markov - Andrei Kostitsyn

Alex Tanguay - Tomas Plekanec - Ilya Kovalchuk

Andrei Markov - Roman Hamrlik

well rocketman, I have to admit I do agree with this trade, while I would really HATE to give up Higgins, he's one of those defensively resposible guys who can score. I'd throw someone else in or another pick, but if it meant a pure scoring talent like Kovalchuck, it would work. I'ts also a fair trade, not like some I've dreamt up with on NHL09 and gotten away with

[SteenIsThaFuture]

How do you know?

Also, it's fun to speculate!

Anything can get done for any price, its a matter of what direction you want to go with your organazation.

[FirstStar]

To :

Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.400) - UFA in 2010-2011.

5th round draft choice (2009).

To :

Alexei Kovalev ($4.500) - UFA in 2009-2010.

Chris Higgins ($1.700) - RFA in 2009-2010.

Guillaume Latendresse ($0.850) - RFA in 2009-2010.

Mathieu Carle ($0.850) - RFA in 2010-2011.

1st round draft choice (2009).

Straight up!

POST-TRADE ROSTER:

Alex Tanguay - Saku Koivu - Matt D'Agostini

Andrei Kostitsyn - Robert Lang - Ilya Kovalchuk

Sergei Kostitsyn - Tomas Plekanec - Tom Kostopoulos

Kyle Chipchura - Maxim Lapierre - Georges Laraque

Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek

Roman Hamrlik - Josh Gorges

Francis Bouillon - Mathieu Dandenault

(Ryan O'Byrne, Steve Begin, Patrice Brisebois) - Additional/Pressbox.

Carey Price (Starter)

Jaroslav Halak

PP UNITS:

Robert Lang - Saku Koivu - Ilya Kovalchuk

Andrei Markov - Andrei Kostitsyn

Alex Tanguay - Tomas Plekanec - Ilya Kovalchuk

Andrei Markov - Roman Hamrlik

It's funny cos I too was thinking of trading Kovy to get some younger talent. He's been great for us, but i don't see him playing another season here, specially with the way his season has gone so far.

The only problem I see with kovy, I think the thrashers might be looking more for young talent. Higgins has been a good bargaining chip in the past, but this is now his 2nd injury and the season isn't even 1/2 over. I'm afraid that his value will go down specially after this last injury.

To be honest with you, I doubt they'd even want to take Lats off our hands. Even if we threw him for free in order to get under cap.

[LudaKrishna1]

as much as i'd like to see kovalchuk in montreal i don't think it will happen

Atlanta will want to keep him there after seeing what a mistake they did with Hossa.....

They'll bring someone in to play with kovalchuk to make sure he stays in atlanta.

Well that's wut I would do if I was atlanta's GM....

[animerules1x3]

as much as i'd like to see kovalchuk in montreal i don't think it will happen

Atlanta will want to keep him there after seeing what a mistake they did with Hossa.....

They'll bring someone in to play with kovalchuk to make sure he stays in atlanta.

Well that's wut I would do if I was atlanta's GM....

I don't think they did a mistake by trading Hossa, he wasn't going to re-sign for them, and they weren't in any position to reach the playoffs.

But for Kovalchuk, they can hold onto him until trade deadline next year, that would make more sense, to squeeze the more out of him while they have him under contract, and to, maybe, succeed in re-signing him. (Not that I think he will re-sign in Atlanta)

[Hoyle00cdn]

CBC was saying that Waddell has gone on record stating Kovalchuk is not going anywhere and IN FACT Atlanta would be interested in acquiring Gaborik instead of shelling out salary.

[sens27]

Doubt it. Remember that Kovalchuk is a better player than Hossa and he has one more year left in his contract. Christensen and Armstrong both had one more year in their contracts. Latendresse and Higgins become RFA and UFA after this season.

I really don't think there would be any agreement between Gainey and Waddell. I think Waddell would want something more like this:

1st Rounder

Andrei Kostitsyn

Latendresse (RFA)

Higgins (UFA)

McDonagh

O'Byrne or Carle

Christensen was a talented player who couldnt do much in the NHL, but I believe Armstrong contributes more than Latendresse. McDonagh is sorta like Esposito. And because Kovalchuk is worth more than Hossa, we'll need to add in AK46 and maybe carle or obyrne.

Now this is something I would never do. I'd actually be more inclined to do my last proposition with the draft picks (but substituting the 2nd pick for a 4th)

Both lats and higgins are RFA's after this season.

[2blacklines]

This would be great but once again, do we ever get superstar goalscorers? nope. Just another one of those situations where its a nice thought but way too good to be true.

Yup. A superstar goal scorer? I don't think so. A goal scorer? not happening. A SUPERSTAR? Come on now, who we kidding. Someone who skates around doing parouettes who doesn't produce any points but looks great doing it?? ABSOFREAKINLUTELY!! This organization is like MLSE, only they wear red sweaters.

[Shane-Penney]

Poeple are suggesting that we give up too much.

First rounder 2009

Third rounder 2010

Third rounder 2011

Higgins

Latendresse

O'Byrne

For

Kovalchuck

Enstrom or Hainsey (We need a defenceman go fill the spot by O'Byrne. Even though Hainsey is unlikely, I put him there anyhow)

[Shane-Penney]

Or....

Kovalchuck

Enstrom

for

First rounder 2009

Second rounder 2010

Kovalev

O'Byrne

I know, it's unlikely. But so are most of the posts here.

[hockey_gal89]

Yup. A superstar goal scorer? I don't think so. A goal scorer? not happening. A SUPERSTAR? Come on now, who we kidding. Someone who skates around doing parouettes who doesn't produce any points but looks great doing it?? ABSOFREAKINLUTELY!! This organization is like MLSE, only they wear red sweaters.

Wow...Somebody sounds like they need their baba and a nap...Honestly, if you can't see the differences in culture between the Toronto and Montreal organizations, then I can't honestly see your statement as being nothing more than a heated nonsensical remark. It clearly is to take jab at a particular player and at an organization that was miles ahead of Toronto in it's building process. Toronto is now where MTL was in 2003; BEFORE the lock out. It's taken MLSE 5 years to finally catch-up with Gilette, Gainey, Timmins and the rest of the brain trust...And they're only at the start line, they're not even caught up yet. But go ahead and take your cheap shot at Habs management, everyone else does...It's not my fault if you can't see how much better off the Habs are than Toronto.

[FirstStar]

Wow...Somebody sounds like they need their baba and a nap...Honestly, if you can't see the differences in culture between the Toronto and Montreal organizations, then I can't honestly see your statement as being nothing more than a heated nonsensical remark. It clearly is to take jab at a particular player and at an organization that was miles ahead of Toronto in it's building process. Toronto is now where MTL was in 2003; BEFORE the lock out. It's taken MLSE 5 years to finally catch-up with Gilette, Gainey, Timmins and the rest of the brain trust...And they're only at the start line, they're not even caught up yet. But go ahead and take your cheap shot at Habs management, everyone else does...It's not my fault if you can't see how much better off the Habs are than Toronto.

Well said!

I'm also sick of hearing, "we don't land superstars...", Our history is full of superstars! Guess, Shutt, Lafleur, the rocket, Cournoyer, Roy, Robinson, etc.. never existed. C'mon people, we just have to make it worth their while to sign here. Kovalev is as close to a superstar as we've gotten in years. Sure he was in a slump this season but the guy has hands of a god. You'd be hard pressed to find another players around the league who can dangle the opposing team like kovalev does.

Then Markov, a defensive superstar... Just for laughs, let's put him on the trading block and see the bites we get. Mtl fans are a bunch of spoiled fans, we expect a "rocket" caliber player every season. Just give it some time, it'll happen.

Gillette and Gainey have done wonders for this season, this doesn't happen over night you know?

[hockey_gal89]

Well said!

I'm also sick of hearing, "we don't land superstars...", Our history is full of superstars! Guess, Shutt, Lafleur, the rocket, Cournoyer, Roy, Robinson, etc.. never existed. C'mon people, we just have to make it worth their while to sign here. Kovalev is as close to a superstar as we've gotten in years. Sure he was in a slump this season but the guy has hands of a god. You'd be hard pressed to find another players around the league who can dangle the opposing team like kovalev does.

Then Markov, a defensive superstar... Just for laughs, let's put him on the trading block and see the bites we get. Mtl fans are a bunch of spoiled fans, we expect a "rocket" caliber player every season. Just give it some time, it'll happen.

Gillette and Gainey have done wonders for this season, this doesn't happen over night you know?

Markov has been called by many hockey experts (For what it's worth) the Lidstrom of the Eastern conference...But buddy's right, no stars on this team

[SteenIsThaFuture]

Well said!

I'm also sick of hearing, "we don't land superstars...", Our history is full of superstars! Guess, Shutt, Lafleur, the rocket, Cournoyer, Roy, Robinson, etc.. never existed. C'mon people, we just have to make it worth their while to sign here. Kovalev is as close to a superstar as we've gotten in years. Sure he was in a slump this season but the guy has hands of a god. You'd be hard pressed to find another players around the league who can dangle the opposing team like kovalev does.

Then Markov, a defensive superstar... Just for laughs, let's put him on the trading block and see the bites we get. Mtl fans are a bunch of spoiled fans, we expect a "rocket" caliber player every season. Just give it some time, it'll happen.

Gillette and Gainey have done wonders for this season, this doesn't happen over night you know?

I've suggested putting Price on the block just to see what his value is.

[Bourne]

I've suggested putting Price on the block just to see what his value is.

If we put Price on the block we would have to kick Toronto off our heels as they cling for dear life.

If Price were to actually be moved I imagine other the following would be interested: Dallas, Florida, Nashville, Phoenix, Toronto, Ottawa and possibly Colorado.

[habsrule1]

Yup. A superstar goal scorer? I don't think so. A goal scorer? not happening. A SUPERSTAR? Come on now, who we kidding. Someone who skates around doing parouettes who doesn't produce any points but looks great doing it?? ABSOFREAKINLUTELY!! This organization is like MLSE, only they wear red sweaters.

this statement is about as dumb as they come....spoken like a true leaf fan

[fourtrax]

CBC was saying that Waddell has gone on record stating Kovalchuk is not going anywhere and IN FACT Atlanta would be interested in acquiring Gaborik instead of shelling out salary.

If Waddell truly believes what he's saying, he's even more of an idiot than his track record as Atlanta GM has proven (Braydon Coburn, anybody?). Atlanta is going nowhere, they have no playmaker for Kovalchuk, no D, and no goaltending, but Waddell wants to sink money the franchise doesn't have into an injury-prone winger ... why exactly? So they can become just like Tampa Bay and Ottawa?

[leafs_rock_go_mccabe]

If Waddell truly believes what he's saying, he's even more of an idiot than his track record as Atlanta GM has proven (Braydon Coburn, anybody?). Atlanta is going nowhere, they have no playmaker for Kovalchuk, no D, and no goaltending, but Waddell wants to sink money the franchise doesn't have into an injury-prone winger ... why exactly? So they can become just like Tampa Bay and Ottawa?

By the sounds of it, so they become WORSE than Tampa Bay and Ottawa. Waddell has no clue, and there really shouldn't even be a team in Atlanta.

[habs1119]

By the sounds of things Pheonix will be the 1st team to fold/move. With the young team they have I really hope a city like Winnipeg or Quebec get a crack at them before they fold. Let Balsillie get a shot at Atlanta and move them to Ontario (a 3rd crap team there can't be all bad).

Bottom line, let the real hockey fans enjoy these teams. Those markets were never right for hockey anyway.

Keeping Kovalchuck may be a way of attracting a buyer, but if Wadell had half a brain, trading him this year near the deadline with 1 more year left on his contract would fetch the best return because Kovalchuk isn't a rental at this point so team like Montreal would be more willing to deal good young talent off their rosters and high picks that would help rebuild his crippled franchise.

for Kovalchuck I would trade

2009 1st rd pick

2010 2nd round pick

O'Byrne

Chipchura

Trotter

Carle

Halak

This is a package of solid prospects that could step up and play for Atlanta right now and kick start their rebuilding process and solidifies their team in almost every position.

It's a big package and probably could be tweaked but this would land Kovalchuck for sure, and the Habs are pretty deep in the prospect pool so it shouldn't hurt us too badly

[Rocket-1]

ATL doesn't need Halak they have good young goalies going for them, and the rest of your package is meh.... not very good!

[HABFANDOG]

ATL doesn't need Halak they have good young goalies going for them, and the rest of your package is meh.... not very good!

getting a 1st & 2nd rounder plus roster type players isn't a bad deal, not at all.

[sens27]

If Waddell truly believes what he's saying, he's even more of an idiot than his track record as Atlanta GM has proven (Braydon Coburn, anybody?). Atlanta is going nowhere, they have no playmaker for Kovalchuk, no D, and no goaltending, but Waddell wants to sink money the franchise doesn't have into an injury-prone winger ... why exactly? So they can become just like Tampa Bay and Ottawa?

You might asell through pittsburgh in the mix too.