habs1119 Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 We need some grit and another defenceman, preferably someone who is a #4 guy but can move up to a#2 if needed. So on D Id' look for a young guy like Tobias Enstrom from Atlanta. He averages close to 25 min a game and would fit the mould of a #4 D-man. He can also play PP time as he had 4PPG as a rookie last year. So To ATL 2nd rd pick 2010 or 2011 Rights to Valentenko(I think they's have an easier time getting him back to North America and give him a roster spot) Shawn Belle (big mobile guy has what ATL is missing right now in a shut down man) TO MTL Tobias Enstrom I say this because I feel getting JAYBO will be near impossible right now, maybe closer to the deadline. But if we do make an offer I'd go with to FLA Dan Jancevski 2010 2nd rd 2011 2nd rd Dandeneault Bouillon To MTL Jay Bowmeester 4th rd pick 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habskw Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Yeah for real! This is like Jedi's spring break: "MODS GONE WILD!" WOOOO! That is pretty funny actually. And right now, we can use all the humour we can get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 We need some grit and another defenceman, preferably someone who is a #4 guy but can move up to a#2 if needed. So on D Id' look for a young guy like Tobias Enstrom from Atlanta. He averages close to 25 min a game and would fit the mould of a #4 D-man. He can also play PP time as he had 4PPG as a rookie last year. So To ATL 2nd rd pick 2010 or 2011 Rights to Valentenko(I think they's have an easier time getting him back to North America and give him a roster spot) Shawn Belle (big mobile guy has what ATL is missing right now in a shut down man) TO MTL Tobias Enstrom I say this because I feel getting JAYBO will be near impossible right now, maybe closer to the deadline. But if we do make an offer I'd go with to FLA Dan Jancevski 2010 2nd rd 2011 2nd rd Dandeneault Bouillon To MTL Jay Bowmeester 4th rd pick 2010 There is no way that either of the deals solicit even a phone call from the opposing G.M.s. You are asking for Atlanta's prized defensive prospect Enstrom and Florida's best defenceman. In return you are offering no 1st round draft choices, a Russian league defenceman, two AHLers, and two 3rd pairing defencemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1119 Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 There is no way that either of the deals solicit even a phone call from the opposing G.M.s. You are asking for Atlanta's prized defensive prospect Enstrom and Florida's best defenceman. In return you are offering no 1st round draft choices, a Russian league defenceman, two AHLers, and two 3rd pairing defencemen. Atlanta WILL be in rebuild mode in a couple months, so throwing some depth players may work, not to mention they are losing a ton of cash. As for JAYBO, Florida only has him locked up for this season and he will probably bolt at season's end, that's why I put that package together, depending on the team needs it may need to be tweaked but I don't feel it's as insulting as you do. Besides, these deals were picked out of thin air for fun. What would you offer as a starting point then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriBri Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Yannick Weber (his last coach was Peter Deboer, This guy said that Weber was the best defenseman in OHL) Christopher Higgins Matt D'Agostini draft choice -------------------- Jaybo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Atlanta WILL be in rebuild mode in a couple months, so throwing some depth players may work, not to mention they are losing a ton of cash. As for JAYBO, Florida only has him locked up for this season and he will probably bolt at season's end, that's why I put that package together, depending on the team needs it may need to be tweaked but I don't feel it's as insulting as you do. Besides, these deals were picked out of thin air for fun. What would you offer as a starting point then? But there going to be someone out there that offers a 1st rounder, and two or three good young players for Jay Bouwmeester when the time is right. For everything Florida have done wrong, they won't give away Bouwmeester like they did Jokinen. Enstrom will be an important offensive part of Atlanta's rebuild... If you can call it that. It's more like a failing to eever develop since becoming a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1119 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 But there going to be someone out there that offers a 1st rounder, and two or three good young players for Jay Bouwmeester when the time is right. For everything Florida have done wrong, they won't give away Bouwmeester like they did Jokinen. Enstrom will be an important offensive part of Atlanta's rebuild... If you can call it that. It's more like a failing to eever develop since becoming a team. With Atlanta, I felt that trowing alot of depth type players and even mid level picks whould be enticing enough, due to the very point you brought up, that they have not really built much there. They lack any depth at all. Perhaps they require a young forward who could fit a top6 mould one day in return instead of defensive help. But putting some solid dmen in with a system oriented coach could bring more wins for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yannick Weber (his last coach was Peter Deboer, This guy said that Weber was the best defenseman in OHL) Christopher Higgins Matt D'Agostini draft choice -------------------- Jaybo... And how exactly does that fit under our cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriBri Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 And how exactly does that fit under our cap? Put Lang in injured reserve.... because he looks like he doesn't have two feet when he skates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 And how exactly does that fit under our cap? They're going to take Bouillon too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I've given this a great deal of thought...And although I wasn't sold on the idea at first, the team's play of late tells me they need to upgrade our D...and where we don't know what the situation is going to be cap wise next season...We need to pull off a deal right now for right now ONLY...We can't think about the future because the future is so unstable, no one knows what the future is. So here's my thought: To Florida Alexei Kovalev Andrei Kostitsyn Sergei Kostitsyn Francis Bouillion To Montreal Jay Boumeester Nathan Horton Call-up: Mathieu Carle and Matt D'Agostini Post Trade Line-up Latendresse, Koivu, Tanguay Higgins, Plekanec, Horton Chipchura, Lang, D'Agostini Begin, Lapierre, Laraque Markov, Komisarek (Once Healthy) Hamrlik, Bouwmeester Georges, Carle Price Halak Spares: Dandenault, Kostopoulos, O'byrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames4eva Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I've given this a great deal of thought...And although I wasn't sold on the idea at first, the team's play of late tells me they need to upgrade our D...and where we don't know what the situation is going to be cap wise next season...We need to pull off a deal right now for right now ONLY...We can't think about the future because the future is so unstable, no one knows what the future is. So here's my thought: To Florida Alexei Kovalev Andrei Kostitsyn Sergei Kostitsyn Francis Bouillion To Montreal Jay Boumeester Nathan Horton Call-up: Mathieu Carle and Matt D'Agostini Post Trade Line-up Latendresse, Koivu, Tanguay Higgins, Plekanec, Horton Chipchura, Lang, D'Agostini Begin, Lapierre, Laraque Markov, Komisarek (Once Healthy) Hamrlik, Bouwmeester Georges, Carle Price Halak Spares: Dandenault, Kostopoulos, O'byrne Boy!... Markov is going to be the lonely only Russian/Belarussian left in this scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I've given this a great deal of thought...And although I wasn't sold on the idea at first, the team's play of late tells me they need to upgrade our D...and where we don't know what the situation is going to be cap wise next season...We need to pull off a deal right now for right now ONLY...We can't think about the future because the future is so unstable, no one knows what the future is. So here's my thought: To Florida Alexei Kovalev Andrei Kostitsyn Sergei Kostitsyn Francis Bouillion To Montreal Jay Boumeester Nathan Horton Call-up: Mathieu Carle and Matt D'Agostini Post Trade Line-up Latendresse, Koivu, Tanguay Higgins, Plekanec, Horton Chipchura, Lang, D'Agostini Begin, Lapierre, Laraque Markov, Komisarek (Once Healthy) Hamrlik, Bouwmeester Georges, Carle Price Halak Spares: Dandenault, Kostopoulos, O'byrne Tempting, but from what I've been reading, Florida is looking for a center, so I'd anticipate that a deal for Horton, who can play both at center or on the wing, could not happen unless Plekanec is going the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Tempting, but from what I've been reading, Florida is looking for a center, so I'd anticipate that a deal for Horton, who can play both at center or on the wing, could not happen unless Plekanec is going the other way. Well, we could always switch Kovalev for Plekanec, The deal would go something like: To Florida Thomas Plekanec Andrei Kostitsyn Sergei Kostitsyn Francis Bouillion To Montreal Jay Bouwmeester Nathan Horton The numbers pretty much stay the same...Your line up would be: Latendresse, Koivu, Tanguay Higgins, Horton, Kovalev Chipchura, Lang, D'Agostini Begin, Lapierre, Laraque Markov, Komisarek Hamrlik, Bouwmeester Georges, Carle Price Halak Spares: Dandenault, Kostopoulos, O' Byrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1234 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Tempting, but from what I've been reading, Florida is looking for a center, so I'd anticipate that a deal for Horton, who can play both at center or on the wing, could not happen unless Plekanec is going the other way. And although I really like Pleks, and think he will be a good center for years, I would definately do it !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Here's the article where Martin is quoted as looking for a centerman: http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/fla081110.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 There is speculation Martin is actively shopping defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, and desperate for scoring help, those rumors will continue. Bouwmeester is an unrestricted free agent this summer after refusing to sign numerous long-term deals with the team. Florida cannot sign Bouwmeester to a new deal until after Jan. 1. ''I've been talking to other managers, trying to make different moves,'' Martin said. ``You get to a point where we need to send a message to our players that we're not going to accept this. We need better performances. If we don't turn it around, we're going to have to do something.'' Source: Miami Herald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl-1 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 - The Florida Panthers are shopping around for help at center but the asking price from rival teams is usually Jay Bouwmeester, whom the Panthers still hope to re-sign. Garrioch claims "many are wondering" why Florida GM Jacques Martin didn't demand a young center in their trade last June that sent center Olli Jokinen to the Coyotes. SPECTOR'S NOTE: I wondered about that too and now it appears it's coming back to haunt them. Source... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1119 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 We do have some quality young centremen but I wouldn't want to give up Koivu or Pleks. To Fla: Lang, 1st rd Pick, Maxwell To Mtl: Jaybo, Conditional 1st rd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpfldRifle Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I think ADDING Bouwmeester without subtracting Komi would be a real GAIN. Komi is a solid Defenseman who should NOT have to play the role of POLICEMAN/ENFORCER.He is too good of a hockey player to ask him such.The Canadiens have way more atheletic hockey talent than anyone else in the league.They can afford to make some deals to beef up our toughness,(Laroque cannot fight everyone on every team)Being here in Springfield,Mass. we have a knack for knowing who is on the up and up in the NHL.I would love the Canadiens to get Mitch Fritz, Evgeny Artukhen,and Boogard to make sure nobody ever gets to mess with our skill players again!Along with Bouwmeeter,and Laroque,our skaters could consentrate on scoring again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 We do have some quality young centremen but I wouldn't want to give up Koivu or Pleks. To Fla: Lang, 1st rd Pick, Maxwell To Mtl: Jaybo, Conditional 1st rd pick You are suggesting Florida trade one of the best defensemen in the league for a average UFA, an average first round pick (remember the better we are the lower the value of that pick) and an unproven rookie and you want them to throw in their first round pick? No offense however do you believe Florida to be insane? Personally what I initially posted as a fantasy trade might actually be a decent possibility. That would be to trade the following... To Florida: Alex Kovalev $4.5M Robert Lang $4.0M Ryan O'Byrne $0.942M Mathieu Dandenault $1.725M Low level pick if necessary To Montreal: Jay Bouwmeester $4.875M Unlikely but any low level player, preferably a center Yeah... we are going to have to substitute O'Byrne after his recent... addition to the score board. We could possibly hang on to Lang and dangle Plekanec however I would much prefer to lose Lang despite the ill performance of Plek. Kovalev's lack of point production may force us to offer slightly more although it may be possible to escape by offering only our first rounder instead of a player. This was only under the assumption we are able to sign Sundin, although calling Chipchura to replace Lang is a viable notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1119 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 You are suggesting Florida trade one of the best defensemen in the league for a average UFA, an average first round pick (remember the better we are the lower the value of that pick) and an unproven rookie and you want them to throw in their first round pick? No offense however do you believe Florida to be insane? Personally what I initially posted as a fantasy trade might actually be a decent possibility. That would be to trade the following... To Florida: Alex Kovalev $4.5M Robert Lang $4.0M Ryan O'Byrne $0.942M Mathieu Dandenault $1.725M Low level pick if necessary To Montreal: Jay Bouwmeester $4.875M Unlikely but any low level player, preferably a center Yeah... we are going to have to substitute O'Byrne after his recent... addition to the score board. We could possibly hang on to Lang and dangle Plekanec however I would much prefer to lose Lang despite the ill performance of Plek. Kovalev's lack of point production may force us to offer slightly more although it may be possible to escape by offering only our first rounder instead of a player. This was only under the assumption we are able to sign Sundin, although calling Chipchura to replace Lang is a viable notion. My conditional 1st rd pick is if Bowmeester doesn't sign an extention, so no I am not insane, thank you very much. I made the offer of Lang and Chipchura as Florida is short on centres and don't really have much in their system right now. In their division, their lack of offence will be the difference between playoffs and golf. If you don't like my proposed trades fine, don't insult me. Like you I put some thought into it. I don't see your trade happenning either, as 1- Florida doesn't have the $$$ to pay those players, as well, 2-there is no way BG sends Kovy, Lang and O'byrne to a team in conference. And trading O'Byrne just because he made a mistake is no way to run a team, this kid will turn into a reliable 3-4 Dman in 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 My conditional 1st rd pick is if Bowmeester doesn't sign an extention, so no I am not insane, thank you very much. I made the offer of Lang and Chipchura as Florida is short on centres and don't really have much in their system right now. In their division, their lack of offence will be the difference between playoffs and golf. If you don't like my proposed trades fine, don't insult me. Like you I put some thought into it. I don't see your trade happenning either, as 1- Florida doesn't have the $$$ to pay those players, as well, 2-there is no way BG sends Kovy, Lang and O'byrne to a team in conference. And trading O'Byrne just because he made a mistake is no way to run a team, this kid will turn into a reliable 3-4 Dman in 2 years Do not handle posts so seriously mate. I never called you a moron, I stated Florida would be insane to accept your deal, which is actual fact. Nevertheless you never mentioned Chipchura is the post I quoted nor would that make a difference. I shall forgo the amusement and answer serious if you prefer. Florida is not about to trade their first rounder to any team regardless of whether or not Bouwmeester signs. It is us that must offer more for a guaranteed contract unless we wish to openly deal with Bouwmeester's agent ourselves; a gamble. Lang cannot be the creme de la creme of the trade, yet it would appear as if he were in this scenario. He is a UFA and frankly his value is bleak given he is hardly that of a rarity. Chipchura is also unproven and must be packaged in order for a trade to be considered with his involvement. As for my trade, I am well aware the possibility of Kovalev being moved is nigh nonexistent. Admittedly I was neglected to view Florida's salary, thus we may need to either accept some salary of theirs or trade Plekanec/Chipchura instead of Lang. What is with this continued "no trading between conference" nonsense? I am generalizing when stated such, so do not take this as a direct reply to your post. I personally find this unwritten fear rather unfounded given that we play Florida I believe four times this year. So what difference does it make for us to trade players to any team for that matter? If they have what we are in need of, I say make the deal. I vehemently disagree that O'Byrne will be a solid third or fourth defenseman in a few years, nevertheless is inclusion has nothing to do with his recent performance. This is a trade I purposed a week prior to that incident. The reason I offered Kovalev is due to his underachieving thus far and this may be our last opportunity to move him with teams believing could still have a respectable season. I would prefer to gain a young winger from Florida as well however I doubt they would be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I see no need whatsoever to get Jaybo, the assets we will have to give up will be too great (think Pacioretty, 1st rounder, Plekanec etc.) when we really don't need a defenseman of his caliber. Our defense needs a tweak not a revamp, we don't really need a d-man of his caliber at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordanjordan Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I see no need whatsoever to get Jaybo, the assets we will have to give up will be too great (think Pacioretty, 1st rounder, Plekanec etc.) when we really don't need a defenseman of his caliber. Our defense needs a tweak not a revamp, we don't really need a d-man of his caliber at the moment. I agree a tweak is what is really needed but one can dispute that having jaybo added to our already solid if healthy D, will bring us from playoff bound to serious contenders. The role we need is only a top 4 d-man to play with hamrlik and preferably he would need to be a PP guy aswell. Jaybo fits that role too well but thats a problem you want to have, and aside from markov our first outlet passer's on defence are not all that great aswell as D-men to skate the puck into the zone with speed. I would be willing to let komi walk if it meant signing Jaybo to a long term deal just because of his caliber and his age, but preferably i would deal hamrlik instead and resign Jaybo and Komi next summer. But as i said before, i would be happy with an Ohlund caliber d-man instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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