Larry-Robinson Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 what about a trade proposal that would go something like this: To Florida Jaroslav Halak Ryne O'Byrne Mathieu Dandenault Kyle Chipchura 3rd round pick 09 To Montreal Jay Boumeister 4th round in 09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animerules1x3 Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 You pay more for better quality. Yeah, exactly. Bouwmeester is a 2nd D, we need a 4th D. You pay more for better quality, but when there's no need for said better quality, why pay more ? If we didn't already have a solid 2nd D, then we might be on the lookout for one in a trade. But it isn't the case, we even have a solid top 3, plus Gorges who is coming into his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 what about a trade proposal that would go something like this: To Florida Jaroslav Halak Ryne O'Byrne Mathieu Dandenault Kyle Chipchura 3rd round pick 09 To Montreal Jay Boumeister 4th round in 09 While I would do this in a pitch, Florida would not. They have Vokoun and Anderson the latter of whom is playing exceptionally well for what was considered a backup and the former is their "just in case." They have no use for Halak; Dandenault is useless to them since his defensive game is not enough to replace what Bouwmeester offers and he will walk at season end, OB has little value and Chipchura is unproven. If we want Bouwmeester we must, I repeat must be willing to part with Higgins or Plekanec. Only if Florida believes the season is finished would they then contemplate prospects like Dagger, McDoungh and etc. Yeah, exactly. Bouwmeester is a 2nd D, we need a 4th D. You pay more for better quality, but when there's no need for said better quality, why pay more ? If we didn't already have a solid 2nd D, then we might be on the lookout for one in a trade. But it isn't the case, we even have a solid top 3, plus Gorges who is coming into his own. For better quality, while I certainly would be glad to have someone like Kubina, our defense would be virtually invincible; think San Jose or Detroit level coupled with a goalie like Price - which Detroit actually lacks - and we just became an immediate threat, especially with not only a massively upgraded defense but the return of our ever so loved point shot that dominated for two years. The deal I find works as Higgins is easily expandable and replaceable, as is OB and even Lapierre. The only one who may bite us would be Plekanec should this be a slump year only although even he is not going to ruin us, not to mention we simply keep Higgins instead; finally as I have pointed out earlier with proper salary management and allowing the unnecessary players to walk we could keep Bouwmeester and Komisarek. If not then we have a secondary possibility should Komisarek decide to test his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandelh Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 If the Panthers keep tanking, look for Martin to be canned. This team has a treasure trove of fine young players, the best of which is JB. JB is also the only one who is not locked in to a long term deal with the Panthers. If the Panthers ownership does clean house, I would think JB could be had for draft picks. If that happens, the Habs should pick him up in a heartbeat. Bouwmeester, Markov, Komisarek, with Price in goal....last time we had a combination like that, we won four cups in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animerules1x3 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 While I don't want to pronounce an irreversible judgment over only one game, today, Bouwmeester has made zero impression on me. His performance in this game was decent, notwithstanding his rookie-like blunder in his zone late in the game, but certainly, he didn't make a case of himself as worth the high rental prices suggested earlier in this thread. I did notice Boynton though. Could be a good alternative. If we even still need that 4th D. Gorges is really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 While I don't want to pronounce an irreversible judgment over only one game, today, Bouwmeester has made zero impression on me. His performance in this game was decent, notwithstanding his rookie-like blunder in his zone late in the game, but certainly, he didn't make a case of himself as worth the high rental prices suggested earlier in this thread. I did notice Boynton though. Could be a good alternative. If we even still need that 4th D. Gorges is really good. I posted this in the GM thread, but if we really need a rental 4th D, Derek Morris of Phoenix would be perfect since they're probably looking to trim payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animerules1x3 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I posted this in the GM thread, but if we really need a rental 4th D, Derek Morris of Phoenix would be perfect since they're probably looking to trim payroll. Problem is that the Yotes have a legitimate shot at the playoffs as soon as this season (they currently are 7th and yet capable of more), and they need the few veterans they have to support their incredible youth core. I seriously do not think that the Coyotes are going to weaken themselves this season thinking of the future when they already have their future pieces in Mueller, Turris, Boedker, Yandle, Lisin, Porter, Tikhonov, plus those I forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Problem is that the Yotes have a legitimate shot at the playoffs as soon as this season (they currently are 7th and yet capable of more), and they need the few veterans they have to support their incredible youth core. I seriously do not think that the Coyotes are going to weaken themselves this season thinking of the future when they already have their future pieces in Mueller, Turris, Boedker, Yandle, Lisin, Porter, Tikhonov, plus those I forget. Yes but they also are in critical financial trouble so the owner always comes before the team. You got the basis of their core there, you forgot the D in Summers and Ross, not to mention Hanzal, Winnik and Carcillo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry-Robinson Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Well they are going to try and do everything to make the playoffs this year,because I think that no matter what happens next year they are going to be looking for a new place to play. I can't see the NHL dishing out aprox 2 million per month to keep this team above water. I don't see the board of governors approving funding to allow this to happen. I think they have used up all of their funding that they get from the NHL for the season, now they are running in a sea of red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animerules1x3 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Well they are going to try and do everything to make the playoffs this year,because I think that no matter what happens next year they are going to be looking for a new place to play. I can't see the NHL dishing out aprox 2 million per month to keep this team above water. I don't see the board of governors approving funding to allow this to happen. I think they have used up all of their funding that they get from the NHL for the season, now they are running in a sea of red. Mmm, could they be the new Las Vegas team the expansion rumours had created in the next few years ? From Coyotes, they could become the Thieves of Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Question! What does Florida need? What is their current management position? What would they be looking for, from us, to move forward in 2009-2010? I don't believe they need goaltending, but they do need young roster players (offense and defense) who can make an impact in the NHL almost immediately. The may be willing to also accept draft choices, but the players going to Florida will need to be NHL ready by next season, I do believe. How much do we want to give up for a rental? To : Jay Bouwmeester ($4.875) - UFA in 2009-2010. 2nd round draft choice (2009). To : Francis Bouillon ($1.875) - UFA in 2009-2010. Chris Higgins ($1.700) - RFA in 2009-2010. Kyle Chipchura ($0.943) - RFA in 2009-2010. Ryan O'Byrne ($0.942) - RFA in 2011-2012. 1st round draft choice (2009). POST-TRADE ROSTER: Alex Tanguay - Saku Koivu - Matt D'Agostini Andrei Kostitsyn - Robert Lang - Alexei Kovalev Guillaume Latendresse - Maxim Lapierre - Tom Kostopoulos Steve Begin - Tomas Plekanec - Sergei Kostitsyn Georges Laraque, Yanick Lehoux Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek Jay Bouwmeester - Josh Gorges Roman Hamrlik - Mathieu Dandenault Patrice Brisebois Carey Price Jaroslav Halak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I agree with Anetechrist. The Canadiens have a lot of spare parts. This season we need a top-4 D. In the long-term we do not need a top-4 D, we only need an elite center. I believe we should focus on the long-term priority. We can settle for a lower-quality D who uses up some rather than all of our sparts, and use our 1st round draft pick next year, and possibly get another one and draft some offensive centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alzimutg Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Question! What does Florida need? What is their current management position? What would they be looking for, from us, to move forward in 2009-2010? I don't believe they need goaltending, but they do need young roster players (offense and defense) who can make an impact in the NHL almost immediately. The may be willing to also accept draft choices, but the players going to Florida will need to be NHL ready by next season, I do believe. How much do we want to give up for a rental? To : Jay Bouwmeester ($4.875) - UFA in 2009-2010. 2nd round draft choice (2009). To : Francis Bouillon ($1.875) - UFA in 2009-2010. Chris Higgins ($1.700) - RFA in 2009-2010. Kyle Chipchura ($0.943) - RFA in 2009-2010. Ryan O'Byrne ($0.942) - RFA in 2011-2012. 1st round draft choice (2009). POST-TRADE ROSTER: Alex Tanguay - Saku Koivu - Matt D'Agostini Andrei Kostitsyn - Robert Lang - Alexei Kovalev Guillaume Latendresse - Maxim Lapierre - Tom Kostopoulos Steve Begin - Tomas Plekanec - Sergei Kostitsyn Georges Laraque, Yanick Lehoux Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek Jay Bouwmeester - Josh Gorges Roman Hamrlik - Mathieu Dandenault Patrice Brisebois Carey Price Jaroslav Halak We would guive way too much for a rental. I don't think Gainey would take such a risk. The only way we do such a move,is if Jay B. agrees to sign in here long term. I think we should look elsewhere as for a defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnjscott Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Mmm, could they be the new Las Vegas team the expansion rumours had created in the next few years ? From Coyotes, they could become the Thieves of Vegas Thieves? Where on earth did you get such an idea? ....Hey, what's that over there? (*snatches beer*) ....glug, glug, glug.....aaahhhhhh. Now, you were saying? A pro sports team in Vegas is doomed from the start. They would probably name it the Bandits or something silly like that. But they don't seem to last, no matter how many wins they pile up. Anyway, about this Bouwmeester fella, he can't be THAT good that some of us are considering trading away two complete lines for him.....can he? But hey, if we can get him for a couple of draft picks if Phoenix's troubles continue, we should go for it. btw.....is he good at outlet passes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Thieves? Where on earth did you get such an idea? ....Hey, what's that over there? (*snatches beer*) ....glug, glug, glug.....aaahhhhhh. Now, you were saying? A pro sports team in Vegas is doomed from the start. They would probably name it the Bandits or something silly like that. But they don't seem to last, no matter how many wins they pile up. Anyway, about this Bouwmeester fella, he can't be THAT good that some of us are considering trading away two complete lines for him.....can he? But hey, if we can get him for a couple of draft picks if Phoenix's troubles continue, we should go for it. btw.....is he good at outlet passes? I would make those trades if he were to stay with us longer than 20 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 @ jenn: Ironically enough, they need defenseman, so the conversation likely starts with Ryan McDonaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmerpuck Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 These high priced rentals especially make me nervous. Any rental makes me nervous unless it really, really, truly, truly is that missing piece. If he can be locked in for a longer period of time I'd be quicker to give it consideration. All I can think of is last year.......... To Ottawa........ Stillman Commodore To Carolina Corvo Eaves Now Stillman is in Florida and Commodore with Columbus I believe. What does Ottawa have and where are they? Although admittedly it did work for Carolina in the sense they still have those two players. But it didn't improve their place in the standings that much....yet I guess. I just don't think Bouwmeester is the really, really, truly, truly missing piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Question! What does Florida need? What is their current management position? What would they be looking for, from us, to move forward in 2009-2010? I don't believe they need goaltending, but they do need young roster players (offense and defense) who can make an impact in the NHL almost immediately. The may be willing to also accept draft choices, but the players going to Florida will need to be NHL ready by next season, I do believe. How much do we want to give up for a rental? To : Jay Bouwmeester ($4.875) - UFA in 2009-2010. 2nd round draft choice (2009). To : Francis Bouillon ($1.875) - UFA in 2009-2010. Chris Higgins ($1.700) - RFA in 2009-2010. Kyle Chipchura ($0.943) - RFA in 2009-2010. Ryan O'Byrne ($0.942) - RFA in 2011-2012. 1st round draft choice (2009). POST-TRADE ROSTER: Alex Tanguay - Saku Koivu - Matt D'Agostini Andrei Kostitsyn - Robert Lang - Alexei Kovalev Guillaume Latendresse - Maxim Lapierre - Tom Kostopoulos Steve Begin - Tomas Plekanec - Sergei Kostitsyn Georges Laraque, Yanick Lehoux Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek Jay Bouwmeester - Josh Gorges Roman Hamrlik - Mathieu Dandenault Patrice Brisebois Carey Price Jaroslav Halak lol i just love the way you put our second best center on the 4th line after your trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 lol i just love the way you put our second best center on the 4th line after your trade Explain to me why Plekanec with how he has been playing deserves anything beyond the fourth line? Koivu is our captain and thus will always be on the first two lines. Lang has produced decent results and Lapeirre has been on fire. Plekanec? Nothing, he has done nothing to prove he is turning around his slump. While it will never happen because of Carbo, Plek needs some fourth line time. JR's trade is essentially mine although I would prefer to hang on to Boullion for a playoff run however if that was what Florida wanted, then by all means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columni...,4125762.column The guy makes som good points, Florida has a decent team this year and I can't see them trading JayBo, I think going for it is a much better option for the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never213 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 what about a trade proposal that would go something like this: To Florida Jaroslav Halak Ryne O'Byrne Mathieu Dandenault Kyle Chipchura 3rd round pick 09 To Montreal Jay Boumeister 4th round in 09 To you and everyone else proposing trades like this. If we had Bouwmeester, and they had all that bunk, would YOU do that trade? Or would you be asking for Komisarek ++? Why do people think we're going to get stars for spare parts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 To you and everyone else proposing trades like this. If we had Bouwmeester, and they had all that bunk, would YOU do that trade? Or would you be asking for Komisarek ++? Why do people think we're going to get stars for spare parts... Pittsburgh did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Pittsburgh did last year. They got 2 1st round prospects and a 1st rounder though in their deal, the value may never be up to th drafting, but they did have value at the time nevertheless. I've been talking to a lot of people down here and nobody wants the Panthers to trade Jaybo, while the fans interest shouldn't always be taken into account for, with a struggling franchise revenue wise it does need to be incorporated. The people down here want a playoff berth (its been like 6 years) and they don't care if its an 8th seed and they're booted in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 They got 2 1st round prospects and a 1st rounder though in their deal, the value may never be up to th drafting, but they did have value at the time nevertheless. I've been talking to a lot of people down here and nobody wants the Panthers to trade Jaybo, while the fans interest shouldn't always be taken into account for, with a struggling franchise revenue wise it does need to be incorporated. The people down here want a playoff berth (its been like 6 years) and they don't care if its an 8th seed and they're booted in the 1st round. Of course they don't, who else has a name in Florida? With Jokiden (sp?) gone, they would have no one really well known except McCabe. The question is would acquiring rookies be worth it in the long run? For Florida that is precisely what they need. They can make the playoffs with or without Bouwmeester and that is all they are aiming to do. If they move him it would be akin to doubling up as they could collect good pieces, far more then a simple first round draft would allot them. what about a trade proposal that would go something like this: To Florida Jaroslav Halak Ryne O'Byrne Mathieu Dandenault Kyle Chipchura 3rd round pick 09 To Montreal Jay Boumeister 4th round in 09 ... why? They have goaltending, no need for Halak OB is worthless Dandenault is barely a sixth defenseman, is currently injured and a UFA they could sign for free. Only worthwhile piece you suggested but not a selling point. ... seriously, a third? I have said this before however I shall do so again. There will be no, I repeat no Bouwmeester in Montreal unless Higgins and/or Plekanec are going the other way and taking with them a first more then likely. My earlier trade is more accurately (although not necessarily 100%) what Florida would want. Higgins or Plekanec Chipchura or Lapierre O'Byrne Salary dump Possibly a first or second round pick Quite possibly a prospect player, although this would depend if we offered both of Lap/Chip or Higgins/Plek and possibly what pick we gave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Of course they don't, who else has a name in Florida? With Jokiden (sp?) gone, they would have no one really well known except McCabe. The question is would acquiring rookies be worth it in the long run? For Florida that is precisely what they need. They can make the playoffs with or without Bouwmeester and that is all they are aiming to do. If they move him it would be akin to doubling up as they could collect good pieces, far more then a simple first round draft would allot them. Yes but trading a star defenseman is never a good move is you're trying to make the playoffs, fans don't want prospects, they want wins and its far overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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