A-K-46 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 What about trading Komi and some prospect with picks hes a UFA like Boumeester and has a higher chance of resigning with them. Plus we have Valentenko and Yemelin and who can forget P.K. Subban to fill the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 What about trading Komi and some prospect with picks hes a UFA like Boumeester and has a higher chance of resigning with them. Plus we have Valentenko and Yemelin and who can forget P.K. Subban to fill the void. Well, Valentenko's days with our organization seem to be over, and Emelin hasn't shown any interest in coming to North America to play here either, so we really would be missing that Komisarek-esque defender next season. P.K. is nowhere near ready to play in the NHL, is he? I would rather keep Komisarek for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s-k-11 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I think a trad elike this could land us Jay bouwmeester: To florida: 2009 1st round pick Matt d'agostini Mathieu carle or Ryan obyrne 2010 2rd round pick To montreal: Jay bouwmeester 3rd round pick 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialboyMikey Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I think the Trad above listed by s.k 11 is a Wicked Trade. But not a Huge fan of Losen Dags. But it ISSSSSS well worth it in return. how old is Jay anyway? I think sending them a 1st in 2009 and a 1st in 2010 as well as a Player Like Chipchura Would Get this Deal done. Im sick Of seeing Chipchura never making the Team, Just beeing a Once In a While Call up. Is this Guy ever Gonna Play with us? Might as well ship Him with the the 2 First round Picks And land us a HUGE dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Martin said he hasn't spoken with D Jay Bouwmeester's agent and that "there's no change in his status." "We'll talk to him in the near future," Martin said. "The closer we get to the trading deadline, it's an issue we'll have to resolve. Right now, he's playing his best hockey. Although GM Martin said he prefers at the deadline rather than subtract, preferably a center, "You always look to see if you can improve. We have a player like Nathan [Horton] who is playing center and doing a pretty good job. I think his line has been pretty good, but if we had another center, we know he’s a premier right winger, too." -Sun Sentinel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I think sending them a 1st in 2009 and a 1st in 2010 as well as a Player Like Chipchura Would Get this Deal done. Im sick Of seeing Chipchura never making the Team, Just beeing a Once In a While Call up. Is this Guy ever Gonna Play with us? Might as well ship Him with the the 2 First round Picks And land us a HUGE dman. You think two first-rounders and a defensive forward who can't crack our NHL roster four years after being drafted are enough to fetch one of the most coveted defensemen on the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habby67 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 The fact that Chipchura doesnt make the team may not be because of lack of skill and just because of numbers. I relate this situation to that of Hainsey, where he was up and down and people wondered whether or not he was of NHL caliber and look at him now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 You think two first-rounders and a defensive forward who can't crack our NHL roster four years after being drafted are enough to fetch one of the most coveted defensemen on the market? A pair of 1st rounders alone should be enough for any rental player, with or without Chipchura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 A pair of 1st rounders alone should be enough for any rental player, with or without Chipchura. For a young top-2 defenseman just entering his prime? We're not talking about getting Mark Recchi at the trade deadline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 For a young top-2 defenseman just entering his prime? We're not talking about getting Mark Recchi at the trade deadline here. Yeah for Recchi I'd think a single 3rd rounder might do it. Look at the history of trade deadline deals for star players. Has anyone in the past decade gone past the ballpark of a pair of 1st rounders? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 If you're going after a guy like Bouwmeester, here's what I see it taking: To FLA: Gorges, Latendresse, Fischer, 1st round pick '09 To MTL: Bouwmeester If I could get FLA to go Tanguay for Jaybo stright up, I'd be happy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Yeah for Recchi I'd think a single 3rd rounder might do it. Look at the history of trade deadline deals for star players. Has anyone in the past decade gone past the ballpark of a pair of 1st rounders? I don't think so. Sure, because often the non-pick compensation amounts to a first-round pick anyway. Pittsburgh gave up Esposito, Christensen, Armstrong and a first-rounder for Hossa. Esposito on his own was a former first-round pick! And that was for a player almost 30 years old. Rightly or wrongly, JayBoy is the kind of defenseman that GMs drool over, and will pay a premium to acquire. The last few years have proven that quality defensemen tend to fetch significantly more than their market value on the UFA market; I don't see why that wouldn't be true at the trade deadline. Never underestimate the short-sightedness and stupidity of NHL GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Sure, because often the non-pick compensation amounts to a first-round pick anyway. Pittsburgh gave up Esposito, Christensen, Armstrong and a first-rounder for Hossa. Esposito on his own was a former first-round pick! And that was for a player almost 30 years old. Rightly or wrongly, JayBoy is the kind of defenseman that GMs drool over, and will pay a premium to acquire. The last few years have proven that quality defensemen tend to fetch significantly more than their market value on the UFA market; I don't see why that wouldn't be true at the trade deadline. Never underestimate the short-sightedness and stupidity of NHL GMs. Its usually desperation more than anything, if a GM feels ownerhip breathing down their neck they will blow up their farm if it means putting a winner out and hopefully keeping their job. Which is why if I'm a CEO/part of ownership, I always reassure my GM his job is safe no matter if its not, if may be unethical, but rarely do ownership know enough about hockey to make intelligent decisions, so GMs can just find ways to sell big trades to them and have it make sense if they feel their time is running out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Well, Valentenko's days with our organization seem to be over, and Emelin hasn't shown any interest in coming to North America to play here either, so we really would be missing that Komisarek-esque defender next season. P.K. is nowhere near ready to play in the NHL, is he? I would rather keep Komisarek for now. So you guys would "rather" keep our future captain for now? That's one funny statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never213 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Pittsburgh did last year. I think you might be the only person in the world who thinks the Penguins underpaid for Hossa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Its usually desperation more than anything, if a GM feels ownerhip breathing down their neck they will blow up their farm if it means putting a winner out and hopefully keeping their job. Which is why if I'm a CEO/part of ownership, I always reassure my GM his job is safe no matter if its not, if may be unethical, but rarely do ownership know enough about hockey to make intelligent decisions, so GMs can just find ways to sell big trades to them and have it make sense if they feel their time is running out. I wouldn't disagree with that, but from our point of view, it makes no difference why another GM gives away the farm for a player. All that counts is that we won't get that player by paying a reasonable price, and we saw that in the Hossa case. If Pittsburgh hadn't stepped in with their ridiculous deal, we might have gotten Hossa. And since I don't think Gainey is the kind of guy to get into a bidding war, I still maintain that we aren't going to get someone like JayBo. Some GM desperate to keep his job is going to offer the moon, Gainey will politely withdraw, and that will be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I think you might be the only person in the world who thinks the Penguins underpaid for Hossa... Nowhere did I claim they underpaid. I said that what they paid was sufficient for Hossa, and therefore it probably doesn't take twice that much to get a player like Jaybo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm still not sold on this guy. Every time I watch him play he fails to impress me. I honestly fail to see what all the hype is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhamel Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I think that the expectations for JaBo have been scaled back from the hype that accompanied him when he entered the league, in particular, on the offensive side. As I watch him now, and I haven't seen that much of him either, he seems to be rounding in to a solid defensive player who can log a ton of minutes, with the added dimension that he seldom turns the puck over in the neutral zone. His speed forces teams to get back to defend, rather than try to take him on. I would love to have him, but not at any price. Certainly he would or should be cheaper than Vinnie (asset wise). He would be expensive, but affordable I think. Btw. This is my first post, but I am an avid reader of the forum, and have found it very edifying and entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I think it's really hard to evaluate what type of player Bouwmeester could become in Montreal's organization when he's played with a below-average Florida team his entire career. This comparison might sound silly, but Koivu didn't always enjoy astounding years the entire time he's been in Montreal's organization, but we loved him all the same, and we see what he can really do given the proper supporting cast. Perhaps Bouwmeester would do extraordinarily well in Montreal? Perhaps he wouldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I think it's really hard to evaluate what type of player Bouwmeester could become in Montreal's organization when he's played with a below-average Florida team his entire career. This comparison might sound silly, but Koivu didn't always enjoy astounding years the entire time he's been in Montreal's organization, but we loved him all the same, and we see what he can really do given the proper supporting cast. Perhaps Bouwmeester would do extraordinarily well in Montreal? Perhaps he wouldn't? He would average less ice time, and have better teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 He would average less ice time, and have better teammates. Perhaps translating to better overall play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1119 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Perhaps translating to better overall play? I noticed he was prone to late game errors, probably due to some games where he played over 30 minutes and is fatigued. He'd do amazing if scaled back to 20-25 min per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey_gal89 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 After watching Jaybo dominate the Habs in last night's game...I'm going to go with a long-time Habs fan tradition and put together a knee jerk trade offer to get Jaybo The thing that makes this so interesting is, FLA is still very much in the playoff hunt...But not enough in it that they shouldn't still have an eye on the future...With that in mind, here's what I offer FLA: To FLA: Thomas Plekanec, David Fisher, 1st round DP 0-9 To MTL: Jaybo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye770 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I'm still not sold on this guy. Every time I watch him play he fails to impress me. I honestly fail to see what all the hype is about. He plays defence not forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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