Jay Bouwmeester

[fourtrax]

1. Goalies are far less likely to sustain serious injuries. Nonsense.

If you refuse to acknowledge that defensemen, who play the most physically punishing position on the ice, absorb hits constantly (every time they go back to retrieve the puck), check and battle big forwards in the corners, block shots, and even get into fights occasionally, are more at risk to get seriously injured than goalies, against whom contact in their crease is a penalty, I'm not sure what else to say. You are not accepting reality here.

2. Khabibulin's contract is ridiculously inflated for a goalie on the downside of his career. Doesn't matter, if need arise. But those when there is no need.

You introduce Khabibulin into the conversation for no reason, and when presented with reasons for why the comparison is inapt, reject them with an 'argument' which is actually a tautology. Basically, you're saying we should accept this comparison because you say so, and you say so because the comparison is apt.

3. We have Halak and Denis for short-term injury relief. On D, we have Weber, Brisebois, O'Byrne, Carle, Belle, and so on for short-term injury-relief. No matter what if we get injured at one position, we are going to suffer a drop with the replacement. That is inevitable.

But we were talking about long-term injury scenarios to our D (NOT to our goalies, which is far less likely to occur and therefore not comparable in terms of our need to go shopping on the trade market). If (God forbid) Markov, Komisarek, or Hamrlik suffers a serious injury, there is no way any of the players you mentioned would be able to be effective in the long term. However, if we have JayBo in the fold, we're in a far stronger position, as he could play big minutes in all situations to ease the load.

4. Goalies are far easier to acquire than stud defensemen, who are incredibly rare and sought-after commodities. Thus very, very expensive. Nuff said.

We've already agreed that Gainey wouldn't overpay, so I don't see why you keep bringing up the expense.

[jl-1]

1. Goalies are far less likely to sustain serious injuries. Nonsense.

If you refuse to acknowledge that defensemen, who play the most physically punishing position on the ice, absorb hits constantly (every time they go back to retrieve the puck), check and battle big forwards in the corners, block shots, and even get into fights occasionally, are more at risk to get seriously injured than goalies, against whom contact in their crease is a penalty, I'm not sure what else to say. You are not accepting reality here.

2. Khabibulin's contract is ridiculously inflated for a goalie on the downside of his career. Doesn't matter, if need arise. But those when there is no need.

You introduce Khabibulin into the conversation for no reason, and when presented with reasons for why the comparison is inapt, reject them with an 'argument' which is actually a tautology. Basically, you're saying we should accept this comparison because you say so, and you say so because the comparison is apt.

3. We have Halak and Denis for short-term injury relief. On D, we have Weber, Brisebois, O'Byrne, Carle, Belle, and so on for short-term injury-relief. No matter what if we get injured at one position, we are going to suffer a drop with the replacement. That is inevitable.

But we were talking about long-term injury scenarios to our D (NOT to our goalies, which is far less likely to occur and therefore not comparable in terms of our need to go shopping on the trade market). If (God forbid) Markov, Komisarek, or Hamrlik suffers a serious injury, there is no way any of the players you mentioned would be able to be effective in the long term. However, if we have JayBo in the fold, we're in a far stronger position, as he could play big minutes in all situations to ease the load.

4. Goalies are far easier to acquire than stud defensemen, who are incredibly rare and sought-after commodities. Thus very, very expensive. Nuff said.

We've already agreed that Gainey wouldn't overpay, so I don't see why you keep bringing up the expense.

Great post.

[flames4eva]

While I agree that a right handed defenseman would be preferable, it is far from being a deal killer when someone with Bouwmeester's skills becomes available. Gorges is left handed playing on the right side, Streit was left handed also playing on the right side. There is no doubt in my mind that one of Hamrlik or Bouwmeester could play right D. I'm not sure about the NTC comment as on the proposal that I made, we would keep both of them.

The reason why I stated what I did has more to do with proirities on the team among the three (as well as Komi being factored into the equation).

Hamrlik is already the second pair left d-man. I guess if Bouwmeester was to pair with Markov, let's say, and Komi drops down with Hamrlik it could possibly work very well (this also eradicates the ice-time issue of Markov vs. Bouwmeester as they will play together). But I can't see Bouwmeester settling for second pairing with Hamrlik. The trade-off would be Bouwmeester playing the right side IMO, which would not be a bad idea because of his shot (specifically on the power play).

[jl-1]

Is tonight a good night to bring up this thread?

[DA_Champion]

... even if we offered every draft pick we had for the next two years Florida would laugh.

I think they would trade JayBo for 14 draft picks.

There is nobody on the Canadiens I would not trade for that much.

[jl-1]

I think they would trade JayBo for 14 draft picks.

There is nobody on the Canadiens I would not trade for that much.

Now now... never too high, never too low.

[Bourne]

Is tonight a good night to bring up this thread?

Haha, you read my mind JL. If tonight was not a prime example of our desperate need to improve defense, I cannot imagine what will be. Lets ship Higgins out before Florida realizes his record for missed shots is astonishing.

[fourtrax]

So, we still think our defense is fine? Forget long-term substitutes, we couldn't even find a substitute for Hamrlik for one game without falling apart and giving up 6 goals!

[jl-1]

So, we still think our defense is fine? Forget long-term substitutes, we couldn't even find a substitute for Hamrlik for one game without falling apart and giving up 6 goals!

But we wouldn't want to overpay!

[fourtrax]

But we wouldn't want to overpay!

[amp73]

Lets ship Higgins out before Florida realizes his record for missed shots is astonishing.

I'd rather give them # 84

Trading Higgins might, might not, effect the chances of resigning his buddy # 8

[leafs_rock_go_mccabe]

Bouwmeester would look pretty awesome, right about now.

[jl-1]

Bouwmeester would look pretty awesome, right about now.

Sure would, wouldn't he?

[Never213]

Yeah I think Jay would be mad overkill also. It'd hurt the team in the long run, let's not put all our eggs in one basket like Pittsburgh did last season.

[leafs_rock_go_mccabe]

Sure would, wouldn't he?

Yep, after last night's embarrassment, I would love someone like Bouwmeester who could perhaps generate offense and play defense.

[jl-1]

Yeah I think Jay would be mad overkill also. It'd hurt the team in the long run, let's not put all our eggs in one basket like Pittsburgh did last season.

And what he chose to stay and sign a new contract?

[sens27]

Latendresse

O'byrne

d'ogastini

1st round 2009

To montreal

bouwmeester.

just thinkin out loud

[Johnny_Storm]

Jo-BO would be nice, but i don't think we'll be able to retain him. However, that being said, putting him in a hockey market for the first time in his career he might want to stay a couple years haha ... Otherwise, I think they should go after a guy like Cam Barker who has a lot of potential and we would be able to get him for a decent price I'm sure.

Halak for Barker straight up. I believe the hawks will be dumping a goalie and will look for a solid backup with potential of being a no.1

Markov - Komi

Hammer - Barker

Georges - O'Byrne

[DA_Champion]

Yeah I think Jay would be mad overkill also. It'd hurt the team in the long run, let's not put all our eggs in one basket like Pittsburgh did last season.

Pittsburgh is not the same, they have way less depth than we do.

An equivalent to what they did would be if we traded Christopher Higgins, Andrei Kostitsyn, Ryan McDonough and a 1st Round draft pick for Marian Gaborik.

[leafs_rock_go_mccabe]

To Montreal:

Jay Bouwmeester ($4.875) - UFA in 2009-2010.

Ville Peltonen ($1.100) - UFA in 2009-2010.

4th round draft choice (2009).

To Florida:

Chris Higgins ($1.700) - RFA in 2009-2010.

Francis Bouillon ($1.875) - UFA in 2009-2010.

Yannick Weber ($0.875) - RFA in 2011-2012.

2nd round draft choice (2009).

Conditional 1st round draft choice (2010).

NOTES:

Ville Peltonen would be assigned to Hamilton. I am anticipating Florida wanting to dump him as he is on pace for a horrid season, and is getting paid $1.100 million. The would also need to open up a roster spot for Higgins. The conditional draft choice is dependent upon Bouwmeester resigning with Montreal.

Guillaume Latendresse - Saku Koivu - Alex Tanguay

Andrei Kostitsyn - Tomas Plekanec - Alexei Kovalev

Sergei Kostitsyn - Robert Lang - Mathieu Dandenault

Kyle Chipchura - Maxim Lapierre - Tom Kostopoulos

Steve Begin, Georges Laraque (additional F)

Andrei Markov - Roman Hamrlik

Jay Bouwmeester - Mike Komisarek

Josh Gorges - Ryan O'Byrne

Patrice Brisebois (additional D)

Carey Price

Jaroslav Halak

[jl-1]

According to Eklund:

UPDATED Trade Rumour: Dubinsky and Prucha to Florida for Jay Bouwmeester...

There was a time when we were being told that Jay Bo would be a deadline deal if at all.. Now I am told, "all bets are off as Florida is maybe two to three losses away from a panic situation."

The Rangers will have to battle the Flyers, Leafs, and Canadiens (at the very least) for Bouwmeester.

Florida is also reportedly shopping for another center...

[Devs]

If I were the Rangers I wouldn't move Dubinsky. I would love to have him as a Hab.

If I were the Habs though, I would trade Higgins for Bowmeester. You gotta give up something to get something.

[jl-1]

First, allow me to go on record in saying that more would have to go Florida's way in order to make this deal work for the Rangers, for cap purposes. But still...

IF there is any truth to that rumour (and that's a big IF as it's E-Clown afterall), what can we offer to match or beat their offer?

In my books, Higgins = or > Dubinsky

What do we have that matches or beats Prucha, who's 25 years old, has a cap hit of $1.6M and is a RFA at the end of the season?

[C-Ronaldo]

hey its been awhile since ive been on this forum and i was just reading all the talk about bouwmeester (im abit late lol )

i realyy don't understand why the canadiens WOULDNT be interested in acquiring him.. people are stating that our needs is only a 4th defenceman.. thats great.. but umm say we were to get bouwmeester.. our top 2 defensive pairings would look something like

Markov- Komi

Bouwmeester- Hamrlik

i dont know, but i think that looks A LOT better then if we were to acquire ohlund or some other 4th dman... and i dont see the problem with ice time either.. Markov and Bouwmeester wud both see the most ice time as dman.. cause they would both be controlling the point on the power play.. instead of having tanguay at the point.. so this would make more icetime for all the dman..

and i dont see how we wud be overpaying for bouwmeester... everything good comes with a price (good is an understatement for bouwmeester lol)

its like your saying.. why would you want a ferrari .. a honda civic gets the job done fine and gets u from point "a" to "b"...

well yeah, a 4th dman will do the job.. but will it win us the cup?

montreal has the spending power (all our depth) to get a ferrari (bouwmeester) .. i dont understand why we would settle for a honda?

[Bourne]

First, allow me to go on record in saying that more would have to go Florida's way in order to make this deal work for the Rangers, for cap purposes. But still...

IF there is any truth to that rumour (and that's a big IF as it's E-Clown afterall), what can we offer to match or beat their offer?

In my books, Higgins = or > Dubinsky

What do we have that matches or beats Prucha, who's 25 years old, has a cap hit of $1.6M and is a RFA at the end of the season?

With his recent slump I am tempted to suggest Plekanec as we have Chipchura on the sideline wanting to reach that elite status. Of course we gamble based on once again lacking a backup centerman however it is certain food for thought. Speaking of Chipchura, he is prime trade bait as well now that I think of it.