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We can all see that the Habs are slumping. Please post specific reasons of why you think they are playing as bad as they are. Is it the forwards, the defense, the goaltending, the coaching, etc. Please keep it respectful as always. Once the Habs snap out of this funk, I will remove this thread. I'm curious to hear what everyone has to say on this.

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  1. Special teams: We need our PP to score some goals. We've improved at 5 on 5, so we don't need to be first overall, but it needs to be at around 20%.

  2. Turnovers: We need to narrow the gap between our forwards and our defense. Take the extra second to make the pass and for God's sake, stop trying for the long bomb, especially after a long shift as it creates icings. Short, crisp passes tape to tape, skating together into the zone and supporting each other instead of individual efforts, just like we did last year.

  3. 60 minutes effort: Much has been said about his, but I'll say it again. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard! It seems like too many players are relying on what they did last year. As Carbo said yesterday, you don't start the season with 40 assists, you start with zero. The only thing that they should bring from last year is their work ethics and commitment to doing what it takes to win games.

  4. Discipline: Too many penalties this season. When we spend too much time killing penalties, even if we kill those penalties, it kills any momentum we might have had on offense, limiting the ice time of some of our offensive players and we over use our defensive specialists and top defensemen.

  5. Goaltending: Plain and simple, we need Price to regain his confidence and for Halak to be sharp when called upon. Yes they're young but they're also very capable.
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I think our defence was a main cause, but in the last two games they've improved since the boston and toronto game, so that's slowly shaping up.

Our offence HAS to get it going like they were playing at the beginning of the season. (0-10 on the powerplay tonight - definetely a problem)

Our goaltending isn't a problem i think; i know we've let in a lot of goals in the last few games, but some were just real sloppy goals that were due to a lack of control over the puck or some unlucky turns.

And I also hate how our lines are shuffled so often. Our players won't be able to develop a chemistry with their linemates if they're constantly being shuffled to play with others, and i really do think that hurts the team.

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  1. Special teams: We need our PP to score some goals. We've improved at 5 on 5, so we don't need to be first overall, but it needs to be at around 20%.

  2. Turnovers: We need to narrow the gap between our forwards and our defense. Take the extra second to make the pass and for God's sake, stop trying for the long bomb, especially after a long shift as it creates icings. Short, crisp passes tape to tape, skating together into the zone and supporting each other instead of individual efforts, just like we did last year.

  3. 60 minutes effort: Much has been said about his, but I'll say it again. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard! It seems like too many players are relying on what they did last year. As Carbo said yesterday, you don't start the season with 40 assists, you start with zero. The only thing that they should bring from last year is their work ethics and commitment to doing what it takes to win games.

  4. Discipline: Too many penalties this season. When we spend too much time killing penalties, even if we kill those penalties, it kills any momentum we might have had on offense, limiting the ice time of some of our offensive players and we over use our defensive specialists and top defensemen.

  5. Goaltending: Plain and simple, we need Price to regain his confidence and for Halak to be sharp when called upon. Yes they're young but they're also very capable.

I think our defence was a main cause, but in the last two games they've improved since the boston and toronto game, so that's slowly shaping up.

Our offence HAS to get it going like they were playing at the beginning of the season. (0-10 on the powerplay tonight - definetely a problem)

Our goaltending isn't a problem i think; i know we've let in a lot of goals in the last few games, but some were just real sloppy goals that were due to a lack of control over the puck or some unlucky turns.

And I also hate how our lines are shuffled so often. Our players won't be able to develop a chemistry with their linemates if they're constantly being shuffled to play with others, and i really do think that hurts the team.

This is exactly what I had in mind. Excellent analysis from both of you, thank you for sharing that with everyone.

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1. Depth on defense. Need a physical, puck moving 4th D-man. Komo is getting beat too often on the outside by sheer speed, Markov has been inconsistent, Hammer has been a rock, the rest are still trying to figure things out.

2. Team toughness is missing. George cannot fight entire teams. Take the Bruins game for example, even if he lines up against Thornton, Bruins still have Chara and Lucic and we really have nothing else to counter two really tough guys that are also quite skilled. Today's game demands toughness and skill and we are just too soft. Kots, Begin, and Max work hard and are great team guys but we need a bit more skill to really succeed in that area. Guy continues to disappoint--hopefully he can hear Max knocking at the door.

3. Power play is firing blanks. Our bread and butter the past two years has left the building.

4. Goaltending has been decent, but very few games thus far have been stolen by Price. Would like to see Carey battle a bit harder, particularly when the team is behind, or he lets in a bad goal.

5. Coaching. I have mixed feelings on Guy's performance over the past few years. The team is taking way too many cheap penalties, line juggling never seems to end, preparation and work ethic of a majority of the players has been quesitonable, and I have seen him be outcoached in too many games. He never seems to be able to adjust his game plan, and line matching decisions are sometimes odd. I'm not sure what type of team we have, or what type of system we play.

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We easily have one of the most skilled teams in the league but I wish we would hit more. I saw the 4 in a row in the 70's and the one thing that stands out is, they were skilled but they played tough. I'm not saying we're NOT tough but we don't PLAY tough. We got pushed around last spring and this past Sat. night against Bos was a scary flashback. If someone out toughs you, they take your spark. Our spark is our offense, if we let people rough us up we're very average.

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Right now I think it is 2 things: Mental Game & Coaching.

1) The Mental Game:

The team (almost to a man) looks scared of the puck, sluggish & timid. Its translating as "losing all the battles" but I dont feel thats because of lack of effort - i truly think you're seeing guys not race for the puck, for example, because they dont want to come up second & then be out of position.

2) Coaching:

It probably doesnt help that you have carbo saying things like "I thought tonight was one of our best games," and "We were able to battle back in the third and win it in a shootout, so we're really happy." Lets face it, St Louis is dead last in the West and 2nd worst in the league! There is no way on earth THIS TEAM should have to "battle back in the third" against the blues. Only 26 shots - and 26 against. We should be shooting 40+ at this team & not allowing them to break 20. The performance itself is bad - but then shrugging it off by saying we played well? Unexcusable.

I like Carbo. I think he can be an effective coach, but right now I am having a hard time believing he knows how to motivate this team. I really hope that changes because i do NOT want to see him gone. I just want to see him do better.

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I honestly don't think any of us should be worried...they play 82 games, they'll be just fine, no need to panic.

Well I dont think thats the point of the thread. Im certainly not worried - but I also want this funk to be sorted out - and soon. I have no doubt we will turn things around & will still finish high in the conference. To be honest, this slump - now - is a good thing. It allows us to grow & get better as a team. But it still is interesting to postulate about why we are slumping & what can be done about it ;)

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  1. Special teams: We need our PP to score some goals. We've improved at 5 on 5, so we don't need to be first overall, but it needs to be at around 20%.
  2. Turnovers: We need to narrow the gap between our forwards and our defense. Take the extra second to make the pass and for God's sake, stop trying for the long bomb, especially after a long shift as it creates icings. Short, crisp passes tape to tape, skating together into the zone and supporting each other instead of individual efforts, just like we did last year.
  3. 60 minutes effort: Much has been said about his, but I'll say it again. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard! It seems like too many players are relying on what they did last year. As Carbo said yesterday, you don't start the season with 40 assists, you start with zero. The only thing that they should bring from last year is their work ethics and commitment to doing what it takes to win games.
  4. Discipline: Too many penalties this season. When we spend too much time killing penalties, even if we kill those penalties, it kills any momentum we might have had on offense, limiting the ice time of some of our offensive players and we over use our defensive specialists and top defensemen.
  5. Goaltending: Plain and simple, we need Price to regain his confidence and for Halak to be sharp when called upon. Yes they're young but they're also very capable.

wow JL, i think you nailed it. I agree 100%.

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I honestly don't think any of us should be worried...they play 82 games, they'll be just fine, no need to panic.

Well I dont think thats the point of the thread. Im certainly not worried - but I also want this funk to be sorted out - and soon. I have no doubt we will turn things around & will still finish high in the conference. To be honest, this slump - now - is a good thing. It allows us to grow & get better as a team. But it still is interesting to postulate about why we are slumping & what can be done about it ;)
you, Benny and I, might not be but clearly some people on this board are... I put it down to:

- unreasonable expectations... I think too many people bought into the pre-season hype that this team was a virtual lock for the conference... I, and others, stated that this team could just as easily be fighting just to make the playoffs as for the conference title...

- even more unreasonable expectations... the Habs started the season incredibly well at 8-1-1... but it was an aberration, a positive one, but still an aberration... as good as this team may be, it is not good enough to keep up that pace... NO TEAM is -- at that pace they would have easily broken the '76-77 Habs record for most points in a season...

- lack of respect for the rest of the league... there are no easy games any more, there weren't any sub-70 point teams last season like there used to be... if a team isn't playing well, which I agree the Habs are not, they can be beaten by any opponent... there were some comments tonight that the Habs should have easily beaten St Louis because the Blues are the 29th ranked team in the league, but they're also only 2 games under .500... in fact, just past the 1/5 mark of the schedule, in the entire NHL, only 3 teams, Ottawa, Florida and the Islanders, are 3 games below .500...

as Benny said, it's a long season, the team will find its equilibrium, somewhere between that 8-1-1 start and the recent 1-3-1 stretch...

btw, which statement is NOT true about the Detroit Red Wings last season?

a ) they won the Stanley Cup...

b ) they won the Presidents' Trophy...

c ) they did NOT have a stretch in which they LOST 10 of 11...

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JL pointed out some problems above

i feel that our defense is a majorrrrr problem, they are too passive other teams gain our blue line with ease. its a huge chore for them to clear the puck from our zone, they dont protect our crease well enough.

they dont support each other alot of the times they are just running around and not being in the right positions

its just generally a weak group

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I think they are getting caught in their own hype a bit as well, and they come into every game looking down on teams. It's a huge mental thing with them right now.

Also, I feel a lack of adjustment in their game has them scattered. By that, I mean when Montreal can't use their speed, they all get lost. Then again, the main problem with us right now is that we don't come out with our speed, instead, we let the opponent bring their game to us, and get lost without a plan.

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There are many reasons why the teams is playing I will call it deflated Hockey

1] The young goalies are letting in bad timely goals. its very hard to keep working hard and battling back only to see a stinker erase your efforts .

2] Power play the lack of a threat at the point makes defending down low easy ,making no room for Kovy or Pleks half board work . Teams know are formula block the shooting lane and passing lane only chances to score are only wrap around type goals or a seeing eye shot .

3] lack of passion they think teams are going 2 mail them the 2 points, a lot of these losses lately have come from teams that I guess they fell the points are in the bag and then the these teams come and out work them .

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you, Benny and I, might not be but clearly some people on this board are... I put it down to:

- unreasonable expectations... I think too many people bought into the pre-season hype that this team was a virtual lock for the conference... I, and others, stated that this team could just as easily be fighting just to make the playoffs as for the conference title...

- even more unreasonable expectations... the Habs started the season incredibly well at 8-1-1... but it was an aberration, a positive one, but still an aberration... as good as this team may be, it is not good enough to keep up that pace... NO TEAM is -- at that pace they would have easily broken the '76-77 Habs record for most points in a season...

- lack of respect for the rest of the league... there are no easy games any more, there weren't any sub-70 point teams last season like there used to be... if a team isn't playing well, which I agree the Habs are not, they can be beaten by any opponent... there were some comments tonight that the Habs should have easily beaten St Louis because the Blues are the 29th ranked team in the league, but they're also only 2 games under .500... in fact, just past the 1/5 mark of the schedule, in the entire NHL, only 3 teams, Ottawa, Florida and the Islanders, are 3 games below .500...

as Benny said, it's a long season, the team will find its equilibrium, somewhere between that 8-1-1 start and the recent 1-3-1 stretch...

btw, which statement is NOT true about the Detroit Red Wings last season?

a ) they won the Stanley Cup...

b ) they won the Presidents' Trophy...

c ) they did NOT have a stretch in which they LOST 10 of 11...

This.

There are no easy games in this league. Last year everyone had the habs out of the play-offs and they played the whole season with the goal to prove critics wrong. This season everyone has them make the play-offs and go deep in the post-season... to me it seems that unfortunately they have the same goal as last year: prove people wrong. At least the amount of effort shown in the last couple of games indicates that. If they somehow can change that and play with more effort and urgency then they are able to beat any team. But only if they play hard shift after shift.

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How about shoot the damn puck! They always seem to make 1 too many passes. start putting the thing on net. We all know it looks pretty to find the open guy on the side of the net but that guy has just as much of a chance to score on a rebound than he does on a one timer. I also think losing Striet is having a bigger impact on the powerplay than anticipated. And our defence looks lost 40 percent of the time. We need to find some intensity like we had last year. They seem to think they will get by on talent alone rather than work hard and make things happen!!

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1. Bad timing on penalties. Being on PK is part of the game, and I accept that, but with the new faceoff rule, we can't afford to take late-period penalties.

2. We need to OWN that puck. I've noticed in the last few games that opposing teams will do almost anything to get the puck out of their defensive zone. I saw a lot of players clear the puck when they weren't even on their skates. The Habs need to put that much dedication into keeping the puck in play.

3. Shoot, shoot, shoot. Get the puck on net. A rebound can lead to a goal, or it might even go in. An ugly goal is still a goal.

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How about shoot the damn puck! They always seem to make 1 too many passes. start putting the thing on net. We all know it looks pretty to find the open guy on the side of the net but that guy has just as much of a chance to score on a rebound than he does on a one timer. I also think losing Striet is having a bigger impact on the powerplay than anticipated. And our defence looks lost 40 percent of the time. We need to find some intensity like we had last year. They seem to think they will get by on talent alone rather than work hard and make things happen!!

I'm a believer in your words my friend. If they could shoot a puck < getting the shot through would help too! > and look for rebounds instead of that stupid cross ice pass < that all the other teams are waiting for and intercept at least 30% of the time now > they might get some where. Also, every team has watched video and has come to the conclusion that if you forecheck, clog the neutral zone and hit the Habs on the fly, you win. Plain and simple. Stop Montreal from using their speed and you will win. Nobody is working that hard. Some harder than others, but not all out IMO. 3 Habs and 1 Blue fighting for a puck and the Habs lost the battle. Should never happen. Carbo has done little to nothing to change how they play. Forwards rarely come back far enough to help the D or get into position to take a pass thus forcing the D to try a long pass < usually picked off > or to ice it. Koivu and Tanguay are fairly consistent, but even they fail to come back and help sometimes. This is a team that just wants to score. Defense is second at this point, which is funny because all 3 coaches were pretty decent defensive forwards at some point in time < Carbo and Jarvis have both won the Selke on several occasions > They all talk the talk ' we need to work on getting the puck out of our zone and then think about offense...' . I'll believe it when I see it. Granted it real easy for me to say this while I drink a beer and eat doritos, I'm not the one on the ice or behind the bench. Just blowing off steam I suppose. This is all just MO.

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  1. Special teams: We need our PP to score some goals. We've improved at 5 on 5, so we don't need to be first overall, but it needs to be at around 20%.

  2. Turnovers: We need to narrow the gap between our forwards and our defense. Take the extra second to make the pass and for God's sake, stop trying for the long bomb, especially after a long shift as it creates icings. Short, crisp passes tape to tape, skating together into the zone and supporting each other instead of individual efforts, just like we did last year.

  3. 60 minutes effort: Much has been said about his, but I'll say it again. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard! It seems like too many players are relying on what they did last year. As Carbo said yesterday, you don't start the season with 40 assists, you start with zero. The only thing that they should bring from last year is their work ethics and commitment to doing what it takes to win games.

  4. Discipline: Too many penalties this season. When we spend too much time killing penalties, even if we kill those penalties, it kills any momentum we might have had on offense, limiting the ice time of some of our offensive players and we over use our defensive specialists and top defensemen.

  5. Goaltending: Plain and simple, we need Price to regain his confidence and for Halak to be sharp when called upon. Yes they're young but they're also very capable.

This somes it up for me. thanks JL

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Like some others here, I attribute a good chunk of it to young forwards being overwhelmed by the pressure and hype. Look at who our best players have been this season -- Koivu, Tanguay, Hamrlik, Markov (even he's been questionable, especially early in the season), and Lang. There is not one youngster who cracks this list IMO, and that is a cause for concern.

In particular, players like the Kostitsyns, Plekanec, Gorges, O'Byrne, and even our young goaltenders have certainly not shown us what they can. For this team to truly succeed, they'll need an all-around effort from veterans and youth alike, and the sooner that the youngsters get comfortable and get back to having fun on the ice, the better.

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Like some others here, I attribute a good chunk of it to young forwards being overwhelmed by the pressure and hype. Look at who our best players have been this season -- Koivu, Tanguay, Hamrlik, Markov (even he's been questionable, especially early in the season), and Lang. There is not one youngster who cracks this list IMO, and that is a cause for concern.

In particular, players like the Kostitsyns, Plekanec, Gorges, O'Byrne, and even our young goaltenders have certainly not shown us what they can. For this team to truly succeed, they'll need an all-around effort from veterans and youth alike, and the sooner that the youngsters get comfortable and get back to having fun on the ice, the better.

I don't think Gorges has been too bad. He's been mostly sound defensively and has been one of the few who isn't scared to go into the corners first.

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