DA_Champion Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_f...l_draft_choices 2008 Steven Stamkos 2007 Patrick Kane 2006 Erik Johnson 2005 Sydney Crosby 2004 Alexander Ovechkin 2003 Marc Andre Fleury 2002 Rick Nash 2001 Ilya Kovalchuk 2000 Rick Dipietro 1999 Patrik Stefan 1998 Vincent Lecavalier 1997 Joe Thornton 1996 Chris Philips 1995 Brian Berard 1994 Ed Jonavoski 1993 Alexander Daigle 1992 Roman Hamrlik 1991 Eric Lindros 1990 Owen Nolan 1989 Mats Sundin 1988 Mike Modano 1987 Pierre Turgeon **************** I think it's interesting to see how the level of success varies from year to year. It does seem like there is more success in recent drafts. Some serious failures over the years... Patrick Stefan, Chris Phillips, Daigle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Scouting has clearyly developed, technology such as rinknet, which is a product of globalazation, amonst other improvements in scouting techniques and technology have been so key to making better picks. That and with much more money in the NHL than ever, teams need to make sure that they don't screw up a 1st overall pick, especially with a cap system, which could lead to extended years of misery and most certainly cost a GM his job. It would be interesting to see a study of miffed 1st overall picks and how long that GM, scouting director or both kept their job. I still think scouting should be done by a more pure statistical analysis, rather than the dumb way places such as ISS does it, (I don't know how specific NHL teams do it, but ISS can't be too far off.) ISS scouts players abilities, their hockey sense and their "tools". Nevertheless, scouting has definetly made strides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Well at least we have one of these players on our team today and had another one a long time ago lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 So far stamkos is playing crappy. 27games played, 3goals, 8 assists, 11 points, minus-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Stamkos isn't ready for the NHL. TB forced him into a role he isn't ready for. They were so desperate for some talent, they went out and ''baught'' a team that isn't even performing well together and forced Stamkos right in. Some players can handle the pressure and are definately ready right after being drafted, but some aren't and would need some development time in the AHL (Btw, we should've done the same with Latendresse). Sending guys down to the AHL isn't a punishment, it just helps them get better or build up some confidence (Price last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Stamkos isn't ready for the NHL. TB forced him into a role he isn't ready for. They were so desperate for some talent, they went out and ''baught'' a team that isn't even performing well together and forced Stamkos right in. Some players can handle the pressure and are definately ready right after being drafted, but some aren't and would need some development time in the AHL (Btw, we should've done the same with Latendresse). Sending guys down to the AHL isn't a punishment, it just helps them get better or build up some confidence (Price last year) The problem is Stamkos couldn't have played in the AHL (nor could have Guillaume at the time, although he's a different case). Would Stamkos develop anymore in the OHL? It's questionable, sometimes you have to let the kid take their lumps in the NHL because the AHL isn't an option. Look at the early part of Thornton's NHL career, or Vinny's, they went through similar problems. Also, I don't know that Tampa keeping was desperation for talent as much as they did a massive marketing campaign around him and sending him back to Junior just wasn't feasable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory_Days Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Thanks for the info! I was unaware of the situation. Makes more sense to me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_f...l_draft_choices 2008 Steven Stamkos 2007 Patrick Kane 2006 Erik Johnson 2005 Sydney Crosby 2004 Alexander Ovechkin 2003 Marc Andre Fleury 2002 Rick Nash 2001 Ilya Kovalchuk 2000 Rick Dipietro 1999 Patrik Stefan 1998 Vincent Lecavalier 1997 Joe Thornton 1996 Chris Philips 1995 Brian Berard 1994 Ed Jonavoski 1993 Alexander Daigle 1992 Roman Hamrlik 1991 Eric Lindros 1990 Owen Nolan 1989 Mats Sundin 1988 Mike Modano 1987 Pierre Turgeon **************** I think it's interesting to see how the level of success varies from year to year. It does seem like there is more success in recent drafts. Some serious failures over the years... Patrick Stefan, Chris Phillips, Daigle... I would hardly call Phillips a failure. He's no scoring machine but he is a terrific stay at home dman & a staple on the ottawa blue line. Im not sure that there is "more success" in recent drafts either - historically the first overall pick has always been a good bet. Right now we are basing the assumption that the recent drafts have been better on guys like Crosby & Ovechkin, but the verdict is still out on Johnson & Stamkos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Whos Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Whos Johnson Big 2 way d-man for St. Louis. Tore his knee in an off-ice golf car incident in the preseason, and is out for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Big 2 way d-man for St. Louis. Tore his knee in an off-ice golf car incident in the preseason, and is out for the year. Off ice golf car incident? Wow...... HArd not to laugh about that one. Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I don't think Stamkos is doing too badly, he's been 1 point every 2 games or better after his early season nothingness. That's not bad. What's surprising is that Stamkos got a ton of good coverage. Patrick Kane I remember they were saying was mediocre for a 1st overall pick, and he's doing great and was doing better than stamkos is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 I would hardly call Phillips a failure. He's no scoring machine but he is a terrific stay at home dman & a staple on the ottawa blue line. Im not sure that there is "more success" in recent drafts either - historically the first overall pick has always been a good bet. Right now we are basing the assumption that the recent drafts have been better on guys like Crosby & Ovechkin, but the verdict is still out on Johnson & Stamkos. I agree about Phillips, and also it was an absolutely horrible draft, maybe the worst in recent memory ('99 was also incredibly bad) As for Erik Johnson, I think he's basically a sure bet, I suppose you could ask how he will come back from this devastating injury, but the guy threw up 33 points in 69 games as a teenager defenseman, which is awfully impressive. I think he's like a Carey Price type in the sense that right now other teams who don't get to see him enough may say the verdict is still out on him, but Johnson is a can't miss IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsin09 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 1999 was the worst draft year ever. The only notable names in the entire 1st round were the Sedin twins, Taylor Pyatt and Martin Havlat. And only the twins are useful players. Ottawa on the other hand should be ashamed of picking Daigle. They could have had Pronger, Kariya, Koivu, Bertuzzi etc. and that's only a few out of the first round. And Phillips wasn't a bust, the only other notable player in the entire 1st round was Briere, and I'd rather have Phillips (more reliable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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