DA_Champion Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 2001 7. Mike Komisarek 25. Alexander Perezhogin 37. Duncan Milroy 71. Tomáš Plekanec 109. Martti Järventie 171. Eric Himelfarb 203. Andrew Archer 266. Viktor Ujčik 2002 14 Chris Higgins 45. Matthew Daley 99. Michael Lambert 212. Jonathan Ferland 2003 10 Andrei Kostitsyn 40 Cory Urquhart 61 Maxim Lapierre 79 Ryan O'Byrne 113 Corey Locke 123 Danny Stewart 177 Christopher Heino-Lindberg 188 Mark Flood 217 Oskari Korpikari 241. Jimmy Bonneau 271 Jaroslav Halak 2004 18. Kyle Chipchura 84. Alexei Yemelin 100. J. T. Wyman 150. Mikhail Grabovski 181. Loic Lacasse 212. Jon Gleed 246. Gregory Stewart 262. Mark Streit 278. Alexandre Dulac-Lemeli 2005 5 Carey Price 45 Guillaume Latendresse 66 Brodie Dupont 121 Juraj Mikus 130 Mathieu Aubin 190 Matt D'Agostini 200 Sergei Kostitsyn 229 Philippe Paquet 2006 20 David Fischer 49 Ben Maxwell 53 Mathieu Carle 66 Ryan White 139 Pavel Valentenko 199 Cameron Cepek 2007 12 Ryan McDonagh 22 Max Pacioretty 43 P.K. Subban ( 65 Olivier Fortier 73 Yannick Weber 133 Joe Stejskal 142 Andrew Conboy 163 Nichlas Torp ( 192 Scott Kishel 2008 56 Danny Kristo 86 Steve Quailer 116 Jason Missiaen 138 Maxim Trunev 206 Patrick Johnson I've bolded the ones where I think we've produced NHL ready players. Later rounds are such a crap shoot... there is a non zero signal... it's about as high as our picks from round 2 :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 You should bold all drafted player who have played atleast 10 nhl games with the habs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alzimutg Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 You should bold all drafted player who have played atleast 10 nhl games with the habs. 10 games in the nhl, does not make you an nhl player. Probably not your point, but I think it was the point of the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 2001 through 2005 we produced 13 quality NHL players. 13 divided by 5 is 2.6, and thus on average we can expect 2.6 quality rookies a year. I think that is a very good track record. Right now we have a lot of depth which is why nobody from the 2006-2008 drafts has made the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 2001 through 2005 we produced 13 quality NHL players. 13 divided by 5 is 2.6, and thus on average we can expect 2.6 quality rookies a year. I think that is a very good track record. Right now we have a lot of depth which is why nobody from the 2006-2008 drafts has made the NHL. Indeed & I would go out on a limb & say on paper our 2006 & 2007 players look like they might surpass that average - it remains to be seen if they can make the jump, but on paper both years look like great drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matcralin Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 You should bold all drafted player who have played atleast 10 nhl games with the habs. Who out of the ten haven't played 10 games. You could also add O'byrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Who out of the ten haven't played 10 games. You could also add O'byrne It is not as clear that O'Byrne will make it in the NHL at this point. If I bold O'Byrne I should also bold Pacioretty, D'Agostini and Maxwell, as they have also played in the NHL and have a probability of making it. I also didn't bold Milroy, Locke and Stewart who have been on NHL rosters for small periods of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 do a review of 90s drafting lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcammalleri Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 2005 to 2007, especially 2007 I think are the best years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Bah Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 2005 to 2007, especially 2007 I think are the best years. Good call Habfreak it is possible to have 12 NHL players at least from those drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 This is a good thread. 2007 has the best blue-chip prospects. PK SUbban looked really intense at the world juniors and historically great performances at the world junior's produces great NHL players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 This is a good thread. 2007 has the best blue-chip prospects. PK SUbban looked really intense at the world juniors and historically great performances at the world junior's produces great NHL players. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 ???? I guess you need me to rephrase? Um...players who play well at the world juniors usually end up being very good players in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I guess you need me to rephrase? Um...players who play well at the world juniors usually end up being very good players in the NHL. lol not always. He needs lots of training on defence, offensively he is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I guess you need me to rephrase? Um...players who play well at the world juniors usually end up being very good players in the NHL. Is that any more significant than saying: Good players are more likely to play well at the juniors, and good players are more likely to succeed in the NHL, therefore people who play well at the juniors are more likely to succeed in the NHL. There is no inherent extra information in that sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 We averaged 2.6 players during 2001 through 2005. Is this actually an improvement over previous years, or are we just irrational victims to hype? Let's check. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr000045.html 2000 Entry 13 1 Ron Hainsey 2000 Entry 16 1 Marcel Hossa 2000 Entry 78 3 Jozef Balej 2000 Entry 79 3 Tyler Hanchuck 2000 Entry 109 4 Johan Eneqvist 2000 Entry 114 4 Christian Larrivee 2000 Entry 145 5 Ryan Glenn 2000 Entry 172 6 Scott Selig 2000 Entry 182 6 Petr Chvojka 2000 Entry 243 8 Joni Puurula 2000 Entry 275 9 Jonathan Gauthier 1999 Entry 39 2 Alexander Buturlin 1999 Entry 58 2 Matt Carkner 1999 Entry 97 4 Chris Dyment 1999 Entry 107 4 Evan Lindsay 1999 Entry 136 5 Dusty Jamieson 1999 Entry 145 5 Marc-Andre Thinel 1999 Entry 150 5 Matt Shasby 1999 Entry 167 6 Sean Dixon 1999 Entry 196 7 Vadim Tarasov 1999 Entry 225 8 Mikko Hyytia 1999 Entry 253 9 Jerome Marois 1998 Entry 16 1 Eric Chouinard 1998 Entry 45 2 Mike Ribeiro 1998 Entry 75 3 Francois Beauchemin 1998 Entry 132 5 Andre Bashkirov 1998 Entry 152 6 Gordie Dwyer 1998 Entry 162 6 Andrei Markov 1998 Entry 189 7 Andrei Kruchinin 1998 Entry 201 8 Craig Murray 1998 Entry 216 8 Michael Ryder 1998 Entry 247 9 Darcy Harris 1997 Entry 11 1 Jason Ward 1997 Entry 37 2 Gregor Baumgartner 1997 Entry 65 3 Ilkka Mikkola 1997 Entry 91 4 Daniel Tetrault 1997 Entry 118 5 Konstantin Sidulov 1997 Entry 122 5 Gennady Razin 1997 Entry 145 6 Jonathan Desroches 1997 Entry 172 7 Ben Guite 1997 Entry 197 8 Petr Kubos 1997 Entry 202 8 Andrei Sidyakin 1997 Entry 228 9 Jarl Ygranes 1996 Entry 18 1 Matt Higgins 1996 Entry 44 2 Mathieu Garon 1996 Entry 71 3 Arron Asham 1996 Entry 92 4 Kim Staal 1996 Entry 99 4 Etienne Drapeau 1996 Entry 127 5 Daniel Archambault 1996 Entry 154 6 Brett Clark 1996 Entry 181 7 Timo Vertala 1996 Entry 207 8 Mattia Baldi 1996 Entry 233 9 Michel Tremblay 1995 Entry 8 1 Terry Ryan 1995 Entry 60 3 Miloslav Guren 1995 Entry 74 3 Martin Hohenberger 1995 Entry 86 4 Jonathan Delisle 1995 Entry 112 5 Niklas Anger 1995 Entry 138 6 Boyd Olson 1995 Entry 164 7 Stephane Robidas 1995 Entry 190 8 Greg Hart 1995 Entry 216 9 Eric Houde C ******* During 1995-2000 (6 years) we produced 9 guys, or 1.5 players per years, which is a little more than half the productivity of 2001-2005 even though it seems we were drafting more people back then. Indeed, that's 59 picks over those 6 years, so 9 guys out of 59 picks. In 2001 through 2005 we had 13 picks so 13/40, which is an improvement of 140%. Admittedly there may be names that played a couple seasons that I no longer recognize. 1997 and 1999 produced nothing. 1995 only produced Robidas and 2000 only produced Hainsey. Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Jason Ward, Eric Chouinard, Marcel Hossa and Ron Hainsey are our 1st rounders in that period. The success rate is 1/6 (Hainsey) though he was given up for free to waivers. In 2001 through 2005 it now appears all the 1st rounders became NHL caliber players, though for now Perezhogin is playing in Russia, and Chipchura might not make it. The Habs scouting people are clearly using a very sophisticated and intelligent system. Their scouts know how to watch games and understand which players are good, somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Firstly I would say yes our system is overhyped. However looking at just NHL players per draft is misleading, the quality of the players is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concreteveins Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Is that any more significant than saying: Good players are more likely to play well at the juniors, and good players are more likely to succeed in the NHL, therefore people who play well at the juniors are more likely to succeed in the NHL. There is no inherent extra information in that sentence. But that's all I'm saying. There doesn't need to be more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Firstly I would say yes our system is overhyped. However looking at just NHL players per draft is misleading, the quality of the players is more important. Well you can't do that because the recent players are not in their prime yet. Our system's performance lives up to its hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animerules1x3 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 1997 Entry 11 1 Jason Ward 1997 Entry 37 2 Gregor Baumgartner 1997 Entry 65 3 Ilkka Mikkola 1997 Entry 91 4 Daniel Tetrault 1997 Entry 118 5 Konstantin Sidulov 1997 Entry 122 5 Gennady Razin 1997 Entry 145 6 Jonathan Desroches 1997 Entry 172 7 Ben Guite 1997 Entry 197 8 Petr Kubos 1997 Entry 202 8 Andrei Sidyakin 1997 Entry 228 9 Jarl Ygranes Not that it changes much, but Ben Guite is actually still playing with the Colorado Avalanche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Not that it changes much, but Ben Guite is actually still playing with the Colorado Avalanche. I probably missed a few more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTA Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I probably missed a few more If I'm not mistaken Jason Ward is in the NHL with Tampa unless as of right now he's on their farm team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flunky Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 1998 was a great draft year for the Canadiens. Despite wasting a first round pick on another bust (Eric Chouinard), we still managed to select Ribeiro, Beauchemin, Markov and Ryder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flunky Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Sorry for following my own post, but I just had to agree with one of the earlier contributors that this was a great thread idea. IMO, much of Montreal's recent success can be attributed to their stellar drafting record and I genuinely believe that Trevor Timmins is one of the best assessors of talent there is out there. So I pulled out my dog-eared copy of The Hockey News Draft Preview 2008 because I remembered that it had a feature entitled "10 Year Draft Review", in which the magazine's pundits list each team's top five steals and top five busts of the past draft decade. According to THN, Montreal's top 5 draft day steals of the last 10 years are: A.Markov (162nd in 1998), M.Streit (262nd in 2004), T.Plekanec (71st in 2001), M.Ryder(216th in 1998), and J.Halak (271st in 2003). The five biggest busts are: E.Chouinard (16th in 1998), C.Urquhart (40th in 2003), A.Buturlin (39th in 1999), D.Milroy (37th in 2001), and M.Hossa (16th in 2000). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well you can't do that because the recent players are not in their prime yet. Our system's performance lives up to its hype. Does it though, lets review Gaineys draft since thats the regime currently being evaluated: 2003 10 Andrei Kostitsyn 40 Cory Urquhart 61 Maxim Lapierre 79 Ryan O'Byrne 113 Corey Locke 123 Danny Stewart 177 Christopher Heino-Lindberg 188 Mark Flood 217 Oskari Korpikari 241. Jimmy Bonneau 271 Jaroslav Halak Andrei was a consensus top 5 pick, it was our doctors who basically made that pick, if any team knew he could be healthy we'd never would have got him. Then we have a 4th line defensive player, a physically gifted project d-man in OByrne and a great pick in Halak. So only one "wow" from this draft and not great value from the rest of the picks. 2004 18. Kyle Chipchura 84. Alexei Yemelin 100. J. T. Wyman 150. Mikhail Grabovski 181. Loic Lacasse 212. Jon Gleed 246. Gregory Stewart 262. Mark Streit 278. Alexandre Dulac-Lemeli Well that 1st rounder was a bust, not in a sense that Chips won't be a decent NHL player, but the fact that one of those players has already come and gone by UFA shows what a bad pick it was. Streit was a wow pick and Grabs is a top 6 center with defensive issues. 2005 5 Carey Price 45 Guillaume Latendresse 66 Brodie Dupont 121 Juraj Mikus 130 Mathieu Aubin 190 Matt D'Agostini 200 Sergei Kostitsyn 229 Philippe Paquet Heres the thing with this draft, Price was a great pick, but we got this selection by luck so how much do we really credit the staff? I know Carey wasn't high up on ISS but we don't know what other teams boards looked like to say we would've gotten him at a middle draft position. Still this draft produced three possible top 6 wingers. 2006 20 David Fischer 49 Ben Maxwell 53 Mathieu Carle 66 Ryan White 139 Pavel Valentenko 199 Cameron Cepek Nothing special with this draft, 1st rounder's development hasn't proceeded anywhere close to as hoped and Maxwell/Carle are both hopefuls to crack our roster one day. Valentenko was a decent prospect but overall not a good draft. 2007 12 Ryan McDonagh 22 Max Pacioretty 43 P.K. Subban ( 65 Olivier Fortier 73 Yannick Weber 133 Joe Stejskal 142 Andrew Conboy 163 Nichlas Torp ( 192 Scott Kishel With 2 1st rounders they made them count, getting a projected blue-chip Dman and top 6 winger, Subban projects maybe as a 3rd unit D and on the PP and Weber can only hope to be that too. They made their 1st rounders count and got okay value from the rest, so it was an above-average draft. 2008 56 Danny Kristo 86 Steve Quailer 116 Jason Missiaen 138 Maxim Trunev 206 Patrick Johnson Can't evaluate this yet. So what have we learnt? Gainey and Co. have made some great late round picks, but for such an "elite" franchise, their 1st rounders should be coming along a little better even if its only 2 (Chips and Fischer). Andrei fell into our laps when the docs cleared him and Price was a luck pick who we may have gotten, but thats a big "may have". Is this farm great? Yes Is it an elite farm? I'm not quite convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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