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I'm not sure if this goes here or In the System, but I figured here since it involves player personnel and people can discuss trading up, trading down, trading prospects etc.

Anyways here is my unofficial top 41 non-skater (sorry goalie lovers) prospect ranking for the upcoming draft, yes I know 41 is an odd number, it was originally 30, but I kept adding and couldn't stop :P

Heres how to read it, the numbers are the respective players goals per game/points per game, I have side-comments for most players, usually in regard to their defensive play which plays a huge part in the ranking, I thought about erasing them for the post but figured some may appreciate it. The numbers in brackets are the prospect ranking by the International Scouting Services (up to 30), Central Scouting Servies (divided by continents and 200 prospects per), and resident TSN prospect expert Bob McKenzie (up to 30).

My personal rankings are of course the numbers on the left, respectable intelligent criticism is widely accepted (as in not, "HOW THE BLEEP COULD YOU LEAVE ____ OUT", keep in mind I made this list in around a hour, and most likely a more well thought out, professional list will be made leading up to June. I'll try to answer any questions regarding my own rankings, I considered making comments about each player and their respective ranking, but I don't get paid enough ;)

1. D Victor Hedman: .27/.98 Good defence SEL (ISS 2, CSS 1 Europe, TSN 2)

2. C John Tavares: .95/ 1.81 Very Poor defence OHL (ISS 1, CSS 1 NA, TSN 1)

3. C Matt Duchene: .61/ 1.45 Good defence OHL (ISS 5, CSS 2 NA, TSN 3)

4. D Jared Cowan: .15/.44 Great defence WHL (ISS 4, CSS 7 NA, TSN 6)

5. C Evander Kane: .80/1.66 Good defence WHL (ISS 6, CSS 3 NA, TSN 4)

6. C Nazem Kadri: .43/1.47 Great defence OHL (ISS 9, CSS 11 NA, TSN 8)

7. RW Jordan Schroeder: .5/1.4 Average defence WCHA(ISS 8, CSS 4 NA, TSN 12)

8. C Scott Glennie: .52/1.27 Average Defence WHL (ISS 19, CSS 12 NA, TSN 10)

9. C Brayden Schenn: 47/1.29 Average defence WHL (ISS 7, CSS 5 NA, TSN 5)

10. D Ryan Ellis: .37/1.5 Average defence OHL (ISS 12, CSS 15 NA, TSN 13)

11. D Dmitri Kulikov: .16/1.06 Good defence QMJHL (ISS 18, CSS 17 NA, TSN 11)

12. LW Magnus Svensson-Paajarvi: .23/.64 Poor defence Huge Sleeper SEL (ISS 3, CSS 2 Europe, TSN 7)

13. C Jordan Caron .62/1.02 Good defensively QMJHL (ISS 30, CSS 20 NA, TSN 29)

14. D Oliver Ekman-Larsson: .16/.93 Average defence SEL (ISS 43, CSS 8 Europe, TSN 10)

15. RW Kellan Tochin: .28/1.07 Good defensively WHL (CSS 105 NA)

16. D John Moore: .32/.84 Good defence USHL (ISS 21, CSS 8 NA, TSN 15)

17. C Jacob Josefson: .18/.50 Great defence SEL (ISS 10, CSS 3 Europe, TSN 18)

18. RW Zach Kasian: .47/1.08 Average defence OHL (ISS 15, CSS 24 NA, TSN 16)

19. D Stefan Elliot: .25/.79 Average defensively WHL (ISS 27, CSS 22 NA, TSN 22-B)

20. C Peter Holland: .42/.95 Good defence OHL (ISS 16, CSS NA 9, TSN 17)

21. C Ethan Werek .47/.90 Good defensively OHL (ISS 22, CSS 43 NA)

22. C Landon Ferraro: .56/.87 Poor defence WHL (ISS 17, CSS 13 NA, TSN 23)

23. D Simon Depres: .03/.43 Good defence QMJHL (ISS 14, CSS 6 NA, TSN 14)

24. LW Marcus Johansson: .26/.41 Good defence SEL (ISS 127, CSS 6 Europe, TSN 26)

25. RW Carter Ashton: .48/.75 Poor defence WHL (ISS 28, CSS 10 NA, TSN 19)

26. RW Carl Klindberg Sleeper Offensive player, good frame and speed SEL (ISS 25, CSS 7 Europe)

27. C Louis LeBlanc: .33/.73 USHL (ISS 20, CSS 18 NA, TSN 22-A)

28. LW Calvin de Haan: .09/.87 Good defence OHL (ISS 37, CSS 38 NA, TSN 21)

29. D Tommy Kivisto: .02/.37 Great Defensively WHL (CSS 46 NA)

30. C Jeremy Morin .68/.25 NTDP Pure goal scorer (ISS 13, CSS 21, TSN 24)

31. D Tim Erixson .10/.34 Poor defence SEL (CSS 5 Europe)

32. LW Taylor Beck .30/.89 Poor defence OHL (CSS 50 NA)

33. C Joonas Nattinen: Sleeper FIN (ISS 23, CSS 11 Europe)

34. C Drew Shore Power Forward NTDP (ISS 11, CSS 32 NA, TSN 25)

35. D David Rundblad:0/.39 Poor Defence SEL (ISS 28, CSS 4 Europe, TSN 28)

36. C Anton Lander .09/.33 Great defence SEL (CSS 13 Europe)

37. D Dylan Olsen: .07/.22 AJHL (ISS 31, CSS 23 NA, TSN 30)

38. LW Chris Kreider Sleeper NTDP (ISS 49, CSS 14 NA, TSN 20)

39. C Richard Panik .14/.27 CZE (ISS 26, CSS 16 Europe)

40. C Kyle Palmeiri NTDP Offensive Player (ISS 33, CSS 19 NA, TSN 27)

41. LW Eric Haula Good two-way player NTDP (ISS 28)

Things to note:

  • The QMJHL has had a slight bounceback, with 3 prospects in the top 25.
  • This is a huge draft for the Sweedish Elite League, with an astounding 8 players on that list, including the best overall prospect in the draft and potentially the prospect with the 3rd highest potential in Magnus.
  • The WHL, though usually a great league, has an even better draft than usual with 4 prospects in the top 10.
  • A terrible draft year for Russia, I only found one prospect I found half-worthy of being nominated in Nikita Dvurechensky of Dynamo (CSS Europe 9).
  • I know people will ask this right way, but yes Tavares 2nd. If it wasn't for Duchene being nearly as old I would've put Tavares at 3, his defensive play is absolutely putrid and if he wasn't so legendary in the offensive zone hed be lucky to make the top 5 or maybe top 10.
  • Extremely deep draft at center, 8 of the top 20 are centers and 12 of the top 30.
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Here's what I could find quickly on bigger centers that are projected to go in the 20-30th overall range.

C Richard Panik 185 lbs 6'2 Stats : 15 Games 1 Goal 1 Assist 4 PIM (Czech League)

*Ranked 16th in Europe according to one site and 24th overall on another. Not much else I could find quickly.

C Zach Budish 225 lbs 6'4 Stats : 27 Games 26 Goals 37 Assists (High School 2008)

*Torn ACL, no hockey in Senior year 2008-2009 (Football injury). Recruited by University of Minnesota for next year. Right handed shot.

C Ryan O'Reilly 190 lbs 6'0 Stats : 54 Games 13 Goals 41 Assists (Erie, OHL)

*This young player showed an incredible drive to achieve on a team that lacked much talent and direction. He possesses excellent on-ice vision and has a nice set of hands. He has worked himself from a poor skater, to an average skater with a lot of effort. He is very smart without the puck for a young player and is quite reliable defensively. Is one of the OHL’s most effective penalty killers.

It's hard to make a decision on Panik given the information I have so far.

Budish would be a gamble, but his size and right handed shot could prove worth it if he is able to produce. With him out of action for this season, it would be difficult to justify selecting him unless the scouting staff had been monitoring him previously.

O'Reilly seems to be the safest and most reliable option, but he is also the smallest of the three and his attractiveness may simply stem from the amount of information available on him when compared to the others.

I'm not sure how accurate any of this information is, it's gleaned from a variety of sites.

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Here's what I could find quickly on bigger centers that are projected to go in the 20-30th overall range.

C Richard Panik 185 lbs 6'2 Stats : 15 Games 1 Goal 1 Assist 4 PIM (Czech League)

*Ranked 16th in Europe according to one site and 24th overall on another. Not much else I could find quickly.

C Zach Budish 225 lbs 6'4 Stats : 27 Games 26 Goals 37 Assists (High School 2008)

*Torn ACL, no hockey in Senior year 2008-2009 (Football injury). Recruited by University of Minnesota for next year. Right handed shot.

C Ryan O'Reilly 190 lbs 6'0 Stats : 54 Games 13 Goals 41 Assists (Erie, OHL)

*This young player showed an incredible drive to achieve on a team that lacked much talent and direction. He possesses excellent on-ice vision and has a nice set of hands. He has worked himself from a poor skater, to an average skater with a lot of effort. He is very smart without the puck for a young player and is quite reliable defensively. Is one of the OHL’s most effective penalty killers.

It's hard to make a decision on Panik given the information I have so far.

Budish would be a gamble, but his size and right handed shot could prove worth it if he is able to produce. With him out of action for this season, it would be difficult to justify selecting him unless the scouting staff had been monitoring him previously.

O'Reilly seems to be the safest and most reliable option, but he is also the smallest of the three and his attractiveness may simply stem from the amount of information available on him when compared to the others.

I'm not sure how accurate any of this information is, it's gleaned from a variety of sites.

In terms of Panik, I'm not even sure hes going to play in the NHL, he seems pretty satisfied in the Czech Republic but time will tell. CSS has him as the 16th best Euro skater and 24th to ISS and I have him 39th overall. Hes not really that big and doesn`t really bring THAT much offensively to the table, the Czech Republic League though is by far one of the toughest leagues to play in though, still average a point every 5 games as a offensive forward doesn`t bode well.

Budish is fairly large, and has great talent. However theres a problem, one hes going to be a winger most likely and hes so talented that someone will likely go out of position to take him, but missing his senior year completely and having a torn knee makes him worth much much less than what a team would go out of position for.

O`Reilly was right off my chart and probably could be argued to be put onto the list for any of Palmeiri, Beck or Haula, however the Habs most likely will be in position to get a much better center in the first round.

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Jeremy Morin 193 lbs. 6'1 26 Games 16 Goals 6 Assists 76 PIM (Lead the team mid-December with 15G 5A)

*Have seen him listed everywhere from 5'10 to 6'1 and as low as 170lbs. so I'm guessing growth spurt lol.

From what I see he's expected to go higher than placed here. He apparently has an older brother who completely dropped off his projection track and that apparently may influence some decisions made by others about his future potential. Haven't seen him listed past 17th however, so I'm hoping he won't be on our radar, unless of course we trade up in the draft.

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Going based on what the Canadians need, and judging by how were playing heres where i think we stand, Firstly id say overall were probably going to finish around 15th in the league judging by how we've been playing lately. Our main concerns are a big center, and a solid defense man to build around. Ill go by what i think the Canadians need, Which is A) better defense and B) a big first line center. Now, Im realistic there's no way were gonna get either of the top two positions isn't happening lets move on from that, BUT what we can do is use what we have in our tanks and trade up for possibly getting Evander Kane and Maybe Ryan Ellis if work it right or you could opt to reverse it and get Jared Cowen and Jacob Jofeson, I dont know exactly which but id like us to pick up a big first line center and a defenseman that could help this team turn, around i would trade everything to accomplish this what about you.

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Yeah and how many of those do we know are going to pan out? In that case id say go for Evander then, BESIDES the more defenseman you have that can become superstars and quarterback the play the better. Look at Detroit when i first started watching them i remember lidstrom wasn't even that great of a player, Now look at him, My first inclination as it was anyway was to pick up Evander Kane, who i still believe is exactly what montreal needs. It's not like getting him would be impossible, trade our first, second and a prospect to get him.

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Jeremy Morin 193 lbs. 6'1 26 Games 16 Goals 6 Assists 76 PIM (Lead the team mid-December with 15G 5A)

*Have seen him listed everywhere from 5'10 to 6'1 and as low as 170lbs. so I'm guessing growth spurt lol.

From what I see he's expected to go higher than placed here. He apparently has an older brother who completely dropped off his projection track and that apparently may influence some decisions made by others about his future potential. Haven't seen him listed past 17th however, so I'm hoping he won't be on our radar, unless of course we trade up in the draft.

Ya thing about Morin is hes extremely raw. He just finished his program in the NTDP and is just commited to Kitchener this season, so that causes a few problems.

1. Hes at least 3-4 years away at the minimum.

2. You get less time to see him develop in Major Junior.

He has all the tools though, he can be a 30+ goal scorer in this league if everything goes right, but you need a lot to go right.

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Ya thing about Morin is hes extremely raw. He just finished his program in the NTDP and is just commited to Kitchener this season, so that causes a few problems.

1. Hes at least 3-4 years away at the minimum.

2. You get less time to see him develop in Major Junior.

He has all the tools though, he can be a 30+ goal scorer in this league if everything goes right, but you need a lot to go right.

That's probably the biggest reason we need to get a big center now. Otherwise that 3-4 years becomes 1-2 again. We can't keep rushing our prospects into the line up.

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That's probably the biggest reason we need to get a big center now. Otherwise that 3-4 years becomes 1-2 again. We can't keep rushing our prospects into the line up.

Well the thing is I'm compltely against drafting for "need". This is what the Habs should so IMO, draft someone like Ryan Ellis, Dimitri Kulikov, Oliver Larsson, or Zach Kasian and then trade to another team that has a developed center and give up someone like Fischer or McDonaugh or whatver 1st round they just drafted.

You'll never have the need filled and producing if you draft a center this season.

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IMO if Bob were properly managing our prospects we would have already picked up a decent center prospect. However I really hope Bob uses some of our Hamilton prospects to move up our first pick as it looks to be a strong first round. Where we will end up in the standings is a little iffy right now though so we'll have to wait and see how this season pans out first.

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I'm really in favour of trading away some of our good players for 1st rounders and more when we can this year. It looks really deep.

WRT drafting on need, I think the habs do this. They went for a defensive center in 2004, a goalie in 2005 and a defensemen in 2006, and their 12th round pick in 2007 was also a D. Last year in 2008 they used the picks they had for offense (mostly), offense takes less time to develop so it's a viable long-term strategy to draft D some years and then offense in the years after that. I [redict we'll be drafting a lot of forwards this year as that's where we have holes in our system.

On D we have:

McDonagh

Fischer

Belle

Subban

Weber

Carle

Torp

Emelin

O'Byrne

I don't know how many of those are going to make the NHL, but certainly a few at least, compare to our best offensive prospects:

Pacioretty

D'Agostini

Kristo

Maxwell

Chipchura

The second list is clearly emptier.

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Jordan Caron 6'2 196

Peter Holland 6'2 190

Ethan Werek 6'2 190

Brayden Schenn 6'0 200 (that would be jokes if the Habs draft Luke Schenn's brother)

Take your pick :P

Schenns brother would be howels.

This is my top 30. It D men and centres a plenty this yr

Since I do not think goal tending draft pics are an issue for us. There is none in my top 30 ;)

1.. C John Tavares: .95/ 1.81 Poor defence OHL (ISS 1, CSS 1 NA, TSN 1) With his speed and puck handling, D game can be developed

2. D Jared Cowan: .15/.44 Great defence WHL (ISS 4, CSS 7 NA, TSN 6) Tough kid

3. C Evander Kane: .80/1.66 Good defence WHL (ISS 6, CSS 3 NA, TSN 4) I luv this guy

4. C Matt Duchene: .61/ 1.45 Good defence OHL (ISS 5, CSS 2 NA, TSN 3)

5. D Victor Hedman: .27/.98 Good defence SEL (ISS 2, CSS 1 Europe, TSN 2)

6. RW Jordan Schroeder: .5/1.4 Average defence WCHA(ISS 8, CSS 4 NA, TSN 12) Another kid who has so much potential

7 C Nazem Kadri: .43/1.47 Great defence OHL (ISS 9, CSS 11 NA, TSN 8)

8. D Ryan Ellis: .37/1.5 Average defence OHL (ISS 12, CSS 15 NA, TSN 13) I think he adove avg to Good defence myself, has the right attitude and very coachable

9. LW Magnus Svensson-Paajarvi: .23/.64 Poor defence Huge Sleeper SEL (ISS 3, CSS 2 Europe, TSN 7)

9. C Brayden Schenn: 47/1.29 Average defence WHL (ISS 7, CSS 5 NA, TSN 5) I think he will develope to the real deal

10. D Dmitri Kulikov: .16/1.06 Good defence QMJHL (ISS 18, CSS 17 NA, TSN 11)

11. RW Kellan Tochin: .28/1.07 Good defensively WHL (CSS 105 NA) bEST winger this yr

12. D Oliver Ekman-Larsson: .16/.93 Average defence SEL (ISS 43, CSS 8 Europe, TSN 10)

13. C Scott Glennie: .52/1.27 Average Defence WHL (ISS 19, CSS 12 NA, TSN 10)

14. 17. C Jacob Josefson: .18/.50 Great defence SEL (ISS 10, CSS 3 Europe, TSN 18)

15. D Stefan Elliot: .25/.79 Average defensively WHL (ISS 27, CSS 22 NA, TSN 22- Tough kid

16. C Jordan Caron .62/1.02 Good defensively QMJHL (ISS 30, CSS 20 NA, TSN 29)

17. RW Zach Kasian: .47/1.08 Average defence OHL (ISS 15, CSS 24 NA, TSN 16)

18. C Jacob Josefson: .18/.50 Great defence SEL (ISS 10, CSS 3 Europe, TSN 18)

19. D Tommy Kivisto: .02/.37 Great Defensively WHL (CSS 46 NA)

20. C Peter Holland: .42/.95 Good defence OHL (ISS 16, CSS NA 9, TSN 17)

21. D John Moore: .32/.84 Good defence USHL (ISS 21, CSS 8 NA, TSN 15)

24. LW Marcus Johansson: .26/.41 Good defence SEL (ISS 127, CSS 6 Europe, TSN 26)

25. RW Carter Ashton: .48/.75 Poor defence WHL (ISS 28, CSS 10 NA, TSN 19

26. C Ethan Werek .47/.90 Good defensively OHL (ISS 22, CSS 43 NA)

27. C Landon Ferraro: .56/.87 Poor defence WHL (ISS 17, CSS 13 NA, TSN 23)

28. C Drew Shore Power Forward NTDP (ISS 11, CSS 32 NA, TSN 25) Like to see him with us

29. D Simon Depres: .03/.43 Good defence QMJHL (ISS 14, CSS 6 NA, TSN 14) along with Depres

30. C Jeremy Morin .68/.25 NTDP (ISS 13, CSS 21, TSN 24) Makes it happin and scores goals.

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