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Trade Deadline Discussion Thread 2009


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For all things related to this season's trade deadline Wednesday, March 4th @ 3pm EST.

I thought it would be nice to have one place to hang out and discuss the moves being made up to, and including, the trade deadline day. Only 10 days left as of this posting and a couple of moves have been made already. Since this is a unique annual event, I felt it deserved its own discussion forum so we can follow the action without losing track of the discussion and spreading our posts throughout numerous other threads.

Please keep discussion related to actual information and transactions and use the existing threads for general and fantasy discussion.

To begin, this might be a helpful link with some basic information on trades and league requirements to complete a transaction : http://habsinsideout.com/main/16058

From the NHL Communications department:

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Using NHLscap to analyze our salary cap restrictions ...

There will be 40 days left in the schedule for the season, of a 190 day schedule.

(May be 191 days depending on which day(s) are inclusive, but this is an estimation in either case.)

Estimated cap expenses : $11.937M

Remaining cap limit (approx.) : $11.937M

Pro-rated buyouts (approx.) : $160,983

Cap space available (approx.) : -$160,983

Forgive me for any errors and please correct where appropriate. I'm not completely confident on them but fairly certain the calculations are correct based on the information I have available and my understanding of pro-rated contracts.

This is based on the following 25 player roster.

A. Kostitsyn --- Plekanec ------ Kovalev --------- Higgins --------- Koivu

D'Agostini ----- Pacioretty ----- Lapierre --------- Kostopoulos --- Stewart

Chipchura ----- Laraque ------- Latendresse ----- Tanguay ------- Begin

Dandenault ---- Markov ------- Komisarek ------- Hamrlik -------- Schneider

Gorges --------- Brisebois ----- Bouillon ---------- Price ----------- Halak

Factors and adjustments :

Latendresse is not expected to be activated by the deadline. That provides us with $179K cap space until he returns.

His salary, in effect, brings our current over limit status back under limit, as I included him in the 25 player roster.

Tanguay is expected to return prior to the deadline. There is no adjustment necessary as I have included him.

Lang is not expected to return. I am not clear on this, but from what I can see we are permitted to exceed the cap by a certain amount with him on IR? The calculation is based on our club salary at the time of his injury. Perhaps someone can help with the calculations, I'm not going to do the math on something I don't completely understand.

FOR EXAMPLE ONLY : IF I am correct, and IF our club cap was $56M at the time, of a possible $56.7M, then we are allowed to exceed the cap by $3.3M (Our club salary at the time, plus a $4M allowance for Lang's replacement). Lang's salary still counts against our cap while he is on the IR, but we are permitted to replace him with a player(s) of equal or lesser value.

We have essentially used the leeway from Lang's injury, in addition to our remaining amount, by adding Schneider to the roster.

At this point, we are required to move a player within $19K of Latendresse's pro-rated salary in order to remain under the cap. That can be accomplished either via trade or returning a player to the minors.

Stewart is $101K / D'Agostini is $105K / Chipchura is $198K / Pacioretty is $179K / Latendresse is $179K

How to calculate a player's pro-rated salary :

Take that player's annual cap hit and divide it by 190 (or 191), the number of days in the NHL schedule (October 4th - April 12th), to get that player's daily cap hit.

Multiply that player's daily cap hit by 40 (the number of days remaining in the schedule as of the March 4th deadline.

Note to Habs fans :

Just because we have no cap space available, does not mean we can't potentially make a trade. These numbers are based on a roster that includes a number of callups and is over the roster limit when healthy. It simply means that any move we do make requires a player(s) to be sent down and/or exchanged. I've already listed the callups' pro-rated salaries, Stewart is $101K / D'Agostini is $105K / Chipchura is $198K / Pacioretty is $179K.

Examples :

Dropping Stewart, D'Agostini and Chipchura to the minors, for example, would allow us to acquire a player with a pro-rated salary of $225K. (Callups deducted and Latendresse added) That would bring us up to a 23 player roster again. That's the equivalent of a player earning just over $1M/year.

Trading a player at $1.7M/year in addition to dropping Stewart and Chipchura to the minors, would allow us to acquire a player with a pro-rated salary of $480K. That's the equivalent of a player earning around $2.3M/year and still maintains a 23 player roster.

Anyway, that should be enough to get the thread started and our own situation outlined. Now we just need to wait for the teams to start moving. I don't expect there will be a lot happening until the deadline, but I'll likely be in this thread most of the day on March 4th, so come and join me! :)

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To all the kids out there, lets see a poll of who skips class on this day :D

If I were a hockey fan back when I was in school I would have made this day one of my many 'sick' days; I might have even told the teachers "It is Trade Centre day, come on this is Montreal, everyone knows hockey is more important." :P

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I am a first time poster, but I have been reading these board for a while. We need a player like jokinen, and we cannot trade our scrubs to get him. They would not accept that.

Jokinen for

higgins, pk subban, and 2nd rounder

This part breaks my heart, but in order to make the money work, we have to put begin on waivers. He will not be picked up and Gainey will have to send him down to the minors. It is sad to say but he is done as a useful hockey player on our team. Dandeneault will also have to be dealt, another sad move because he is playing is heart out right now. We could probably get a late round round pick for him now.

We have a lot of good wingers and we need a big center. Jokinen is not having a good season in phoenix, they probably want to cut payroll a little. They would want an established top 6 forward and an excellent up and coming defenceman, that they can build a media buzz around. He is a special player.

My 2 cents

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I'm unable to open the CBA .pdf file on this computer. Is it possible that someone can post the relevant articles explaining the roster limitations as of 12:01am on March 4th?

I believe it is at that point that the 23 player roster limit no longer applies.

Another section that is relevant to the roster size available, is the 50 players under contract limit, so that would be useful as well.

Please and thank you?

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To all the kids out there, lets see a poll of who skips class on this day :D

i skipped classes like 6 consecutive years from grade 7-12 on deadline day lol, never forget deadline 2004

canadiens trade nobody to the rangers in exchange for alex kovalev :D

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I don't think Gainey has been making cryptic trading comments off hand. I think he has at least one more deal he would like to make and a few options for doing it. It's possible that all of his options could disappear if everyone on the team is playing well, but we'll be able to make that determination within the next few games.

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I don't think Gainey has been making cryptic trading comments off hand. I think he has at least one more deal he would like to make and a few options for doing it. It's possible that all of his options could disappear if everyone on the team is playing well, but we'll be able to make that determination within the next few games.

If everyone is playing well, that's exactly when he should be looking to deal, because the team as is isn't going to win squat, and Gainey should know that. Why not sell an asset high instead of low, as we usually do?

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I am a first time poster, but I have been reading these board for a while. We need a player like jokinen, and we cannot trade our scrubs to get him. They would not accept that.

Jokinen for

higgins, pk subban, and 2nd rounder

See i think Jokinen or Shane Doan are gonna be traded by trade deadline (maybe even both of them)

And i don't think Phoenix is gonna want 1 single players who makes more than 1 million in return.

So they will go for prospects and young talented players.

Their team is going bankrupt so they have absolutely no choice in doing at least 1 trade like this, because they simply can't afford to pay these 2 guys 10 million next year.

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If I were a hockey fan back when I was in school I would have made this day one of my many 'sick' days; I might have even told the teachers "It is Trade Centre day, come on this is Montreal, everyone knows hockey is more important." :P

I hope on trading deadline day i have option. (My option is computers with a habs fanatic teacher):P

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Using NHLscap to analyze our salary cap restrictions ...

There will be 40 days left in the schedule for the season, of a 190 day schedule.

(May be 191 days depending on which day(s) are inclusive, but this is an estimation in either case.)

Estimated cap expenses : $11.937M

Remaining cap limit (approx.) : $11.937M

Pro-rated buyouts (approx.) : $160,983

Cap space available (approx.) : -$160,983

Forgive me for any errors and please correct where appropriate. I'm not completely confident on them but fairly certain the calculations are correct based on the information I have available and my understanding of pro-rated contracts.

This is based on the following 25 player roster.

A. Kostitsyn --- Plekanec ------ Kovalev --------- Higgins --------- Koivu

D'Agostini ----- Pacioretty ----- Lapierre --------- Kostopoulos --- Stewart

Chipchura ----- Laraque ------- Latendresse ----- Tanguay ------- Begin

Dandenault ---- Markov ------- Komisarek ------- Hamrlik -------- Schneider

Gorges --------- Brisebois ----- Bouillon ---------- Price ----------- Halak

Factors and adjustments :

Latendresse is not expected to be activated by the deadline. That provides us with $179K cap space until he returns.

His salary, in effect, brings our current over limit status back under limit, as I included him in the 25 player roster.

Tanguay is expected to return prior to the deadline. There is no adjustment necessary as I have included him.

Lang is not expected to return. I am not clear on this, but from what I can see we are permitted to exceed the cap by a certain amount with him on IR? The calculation is based on our club salary at the time of his injury. Perhaps someone can help with the calculations, I'm not going to do the math on something I don't completely understand.

FOR EXAMPLE ONLY : IF I am correct, and IF our club cap was $56M at the time, of a possible $56.7M, then we are allowed to exceed the cap by $3.3M (Our club salary at the time, plus a $4M allowance for Lang's replacement). Lang's salary still counts against our cap while he is on the IR, but we are permitted to replace him with a player(s) of equal or lesser value.

We have essentially used the leeway from Lang's injury, in addition to our remaining amount, by adding Schneider to the roster.

At this point, we are required to move a player within $19K of Latendresse's pro-rated salary in order to remain under the cap. That can be accomplished either via trade or returning a player to the minors.

Stewart is $101K / D'Agostini is $105K / Chipchura is $198K / Pacioretty is $179K / Latendresse is $179K

How to calculate a player's pro-rated salary :

Take that player's annual cap hit and divide it by 190 (or 191), the number of days in the NHL schedule (October 4th - April 12th), to get that player's daily cap hit.

Multiply that player's daily cap hit by 40 (the number of days remaining in the schedule as of the March 4th deadline.

Note to Habs fans :

Just because we have no cap space available, does not mean we can't potentially make a trade. These numbers are based on a roster that includes a number of callups and is over the roster limit when healthy. It simply means that any move we do make requires a player(s) to be sent down and/or exchanged. I've already listed the callups' pro-rated salaries, Stewart is $101K / D'Agostini is $105K / Chipchura is $198K / Pacioretty is $179K.

Examples :

Dropping Stewart, D'Agostini and Chipchura to the minors, for example, would allow us to acquire a player with a pro-rated salary of $225K. (Callups deducted and Latendresse added) That would bring us up to a 23 player roster again. That's the equivalent of a player earning just over $1M/year.

Trading a player at $1.7M/year in addition to dropping Stewart and Chipchura to the minors, would allow us to acquire a player with a pro-rated salary of $480K. That's the equivalent of a player earning around $2.3M/year and still maintains a 23 player roster.

Anyway, that should be enough to get the thread started and our own situation outlined. Now we just need to wait for the teams to start moving. I don't expect there will be a lot happening until the deadline, but I'll likely be in this thread most of the day on March 4th, so come and join me! :)

you can do all this calculating, but I wouldn't unless I was getting paid because it's a lot of work and even then you can't be sure you're close to being correct because you have to make a lot of assumptions for the precise info you don't have access to...

and joining "players on two-way contracts automatically don't have to clear waivers" in the incorrect ideas that people insist on repeating list is that "the salaries of players on Injured Reserve don't count against the cap"-- they do count against the cap... you can get cap-relief if the injured players qualify for the "Bona-Fide Long-TermInjury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit"...

so do you really want to spend all this time 'guesstimating" cap room?...

I'm unable to open the CBA .pdf file on this computer. Is it possible that someone can post the relevant articles explaining the roster limitations as of 12:01am on March 4th?

I believe it is at that point that the 23 player roster limit no longer applies.

Another section that is relevant to the roster size available, is the 50 players under contract limit, so that would be useful as well.

Please and thank you?

there is no roster limit as of Trade Deadline Day... the other point:

"Not more than 50 Players signed to an SPC and not less than 24 Players and 3 goalkeepers under an SPC. Age 18 and age 19 Players who were returned to Juniors, and who have not played 11 NHL Games in one season, shall be exempt from inclusion in the 50 Player limit."

8 more days until the trade Deadline.......................................
nine days to Trade Deadline Day...
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If Olli Jokinen is available, he is our guy. Bob has to make it happen. Proven player, tough and hungry to win hopefully. Plus, on a down year, so is cheaper.

Jokinen

4th round

for

Higgins

Gorges

3rd rounder

We'd be left with Dandenault moving back to D.

Proven player? When's the last time Jokinen actually made something happen in the playoffs? Oh wait he never made the playoffs. His no proven player nor a proven winner. 30 Years old and no playoffs experience. Probably hungry for playoffs and a cup but his not proven.

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