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I think this is something that could be of interest and is pertinent to Hotstove discussions... other trades may also be discussed here if they have realistic potential and are attached somehow to rumour.

According to Spector the Los Angeles Kings are in search of potentially two d-men...

Kings GM Dean Lombardi has stated he's more interested in acquiring one or two defensive blueliners and if he sticks with that plan he'll have no requirement for Schneider. Quite frankly, if Lombardi were really interested in him I think the deal would've been done by now. We'll find out soon enough.

http://www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?op...s&Itemid=55

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch ... cites sources claiming the Kings have offered the Ducks defenseman Tom Priessing for Schneider but the Ducks have rejected offers thus far that have them taking on salary in return.

So if they are not interested in a deal with the Ducks that much right now... and since Bruce Garrioch reports they may want to move Tom Preissing, it could indicate they don't want to spend that much more money against their Cap (currently sitting at 38,876,283 according to CapCentral)

42 - D Tom Preissing Age: 29, Arlington Heights, IL, USA

Ht: 6-0 Wt: 198 Shoots: R Salary: $2,750,000 NHL Seasons: 4

ASSETS: Makes smart decisions with the puck. Is capable of putting up good offensive numbers, especially if given regular ice time with the man advantage. CAREER POTENTIAL: Power play specialist.

Could this be a good fit for the Habs and a way to move the likes of Bouillon (1.875) and Dandenault (1.725) and save some money (.850 to add to what the Habs still have available)?

When Preissing played for the Sens I thought he played well enough and was surprised to see them let him go the way they did... I think that was one thing that hurt the Sens on the PP last year.

With Streit gone and the Habs sitting with eight d-men signed, two for one would seem to be a good possibility. It could be an automatic fix for the powerplay and IMO Preissing is a better fit than Streit was as far as the defensive side of the game is concerned. He's not really a top four, but he does have decnt potential still.

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OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch ... cites sources claiming the Kings have offered the Ducks defenseman Tom Priessing for Schneider but the Ducks have rejected offers thus far that have them taking on salary in return.

So if they are not interested in a deal with the Ducks that much right now... and since Bruce Garrioch reports they may want to move Tom Preissing, it could indicate they don't want to spend that much more money against their Cap (currently sitting at 38,876,283 according to CapCentral)

this doesn't make any sense to me. am i missing something? why would l.a. bother giving up a player for schneider when they're still roughly $1.2mil under the cap minimum ($40mil)? they have to spend that money. from what i've read in earlier posts with regard to schneider, it made more sense that the kings didn't grab him off waivers because they wanted burke to sweeten the pot to take him off their hands. l.a. would be crazy to part with preissing for no reason...i think he's a great dman. i wanted him when he became a ufa.

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this doesn't make any sense to me. am i missing something? why would l.a. bother giving up a player for schneider when they're still roughly $1.2mil under the cap minimum ($40mil)? they have to spend that money. from what i've read in earlier posts with regard to schneider, it made more sense that the kings didn't grab him off waivers because they wanted burke to sweeten the pot to take him off their hands. l.a. would be crazy to part with preissing for no reason...i think he's a great dman. i wanted him when he became a ufa.
L.A. are closer to 1.1 million under the cap minimum right now and they still haven't come to terms with O'Sullivan. The trade of Bouillon (1.875) and Dandenault (1.725), gets them what they are looking for, two defensive defensmen and the difference between that cost and the Preissing contract brings them (approx. .850) nearer to the cap minimum... O'Sullivan takes them over the minimum when he is eventually signed.
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L.A. are closer to 1.1 million under the cap minimum right now and they still haven't come to terms with O'Sullivan. The trade of Bouillon (1.875) and Dandenault (1.725), gets them what they are looking for, two defensive defensmen and the difference between that cost and the Preissing contract brings them (approx. .850) nearer to the cap minimum... O'Sullivan takes them over the minimum when he is eventually signed.

agreed. i didn't argue with that part of your post. it makes sense for us to make that trade but it didn't make sense for l.a. to trade with the ducks. i still don't understand why they would want to offer up preissing when they can add for less but perhaps i'm over-estimating his value based on his play with ottawa and not last year when i barely saw him.

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agreed. i didn't argue with that part of your post. it makes sense for us to make that trade but it didn't make sense for l.a. to trade with the ducks. i still don't understand why they would want to offer up preissing when they can add for less but perhaps i'm over-estimating his value based on his play with ottawa and not last year when i barely saw him.
Doughty is considered a powerplay specialist... and though he is a rookie at just 18, he is the highest paid d-man and their top draft choice. Baptism by fire would seem to be the way they could go with the kid.

Maybe that doesn't sit too well with Preissing.

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September 28, 2008 | 12:30pm ET

Aucoin the odd man out?

TheFourthPeriod.com

The Flames currently sit above the salary cap and veteran defenseman Adrian Aucoin knows he might be moved to free up space, reports the Calgary Herald.

"A lot of guys are thinking about it," Aucoin told the paper, "but something's going to happen sooner or later. I think everybody knows they have to do what they do best and something's going to happen.

"Obviously, (GM Darryl Sutter) will have to make a hard decision. It's not going to be easy, but hopefully whoever it is, he's going to find some greener grass somewhere else."

Aucoin is entering the final year of his contract and will make $4 million this season.

The veteran, however, has a no-trade clause and has to approve any deal the Flames make.

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I think Aucoin would be willing to play for the Habs... don't you?

Could this be a fit for the Canadiens need for a top-four d-man?

Maybe a deal could be worked out... Thought I read somewhere that Kyke Chipchura would not be adverse to playing in Alberta since he was born there (Westlock, AB, CAN)... how BG could free up the cap dollars would be another question however.... worth a try?

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How big is his salary?What would it cost us to get him?The idea seems appealing to me! :mellow:
Habs already have 2 better goaltenders.

Would look kinda funny, to let Huet go, then sign the guy he replaces in Chicago off waivers, upping salary cost by around $2MM in the process. If we do the balance sheet on that one, it'd really look rather silly! ;)

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Aucoin could very well be happy in Montreal. He's played w/ Hammer <in Calgary> so he might talk to him about the team and the city itself. Could happen.

Hammer played with Phaneuf during almost all the flames games I ever saw/went to...

Anyway, Aucoin is fine but Id much rather look at someone like Priessing. (29yrs old vs 35). I mean either could be gone at the beginning of next season, but with a guy like Priessing theres at least a chance of a few years commitment - plus I think he's more what we are looking for (better puck mover).

To be honest I am fairly happy with our team as it stands.

IMHO:

Goal: Totally Set. Over set, really. Very happy about our depth & talent in nets.

Defense: Have a very solid 1 - 3 group. Have a ridiculously deep 5-6 group (maybe 6+ solid third pairing dmen). So that leaves us with a quesiton mark at #4 defense slot. The thing is, do we not have the potential with Jorges or Obyrne?

Wingers: When was the last time we had this much depth? OMG. Kovy, A Kosty, S Kosty, Higgins, Lats, etc, etc, etc.

Centres: Koivu, Pleks, Lang, Chips, Laps. We have some very good depth.

The one thing Id LOVE is a true franchise (preferably centre) player. Someone posted an interesting article suggesting we should package 5 - 7 of our prospects & trade for an established, bone fide franchise player. A Getzlaf or similar. If we could pull something like this off, Id definitely do it. Lets face it, at least half of our junior pool is never going to suit up for the habs - we're just too deep! Add a guy like that to this team & we go from being a solid contender to being THE team to beat in the east.

So, back to the OP: If we could move some of our (obviously on the out) defensemen like Dandy/Boullion and get a guy like priessing, sure - id do it. But Id be more inclined to package them, along with some top flight prospects & get a true blue chipper.

For example:

To Los Angeles:

David Fischer.

Jaroslav Halak.

A choice between center Ryan White and winger Matt D' Agnostini.

A choice between Subban and Weber.

Lapierre

Mathieu Dandeneault and/or Boullion

To Montreal:

Anze Kopitar

Tom Priessing

LA gets 5 young prospects (2 who are NHL ready & 3 who could be as soon as next year). They get 1 or 2 defensmen ready to jump in right away. We could throw in a draft pick also.

Montreal gets a #4 dman to offset the loss of the 3 or 4 they send the other way & the elusive #1 young centre we've been looking for.

Basically, montreal packages a bunch of their young depth & LA gets stronger in that department.

I think a team like LA may be JUST what we need in terms of a good trading partner looking to buy what we're selling.

Just my opinion of course.

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To Los Angeles:

David Fischer.

Jaroslav Halak.

A choice between center Ryan White and winger Matt D' Agnostini.

A choice between Subban and Weber.

Lapierre

Mathieu Dandeneault and/or Boullion

To Montreal:

Anze Kopitar

Tom Priessing

LA gets 5 young prospects (2 who are NHL ready & 3 who could be as soon as next year). They get 1 or 2 defensmen ready to jump in right away. We could throw in a draft pick also.

Montreal gets a #4 dman to offset the loss of the 3 or 4 they send the other way & the elusive #1 young centre we've been looking for.

Basically, montreal packages a bunch of their young depth & LA gets stronger in that department.

I think a team like LA may be JUST what we need in terms of a good trading partner looking to buy what we're selling.

Just my opinion of course.

Regardless of whether LA would bite, which I doubt simply because I can't see them letting Kopitar go, it would make them a scary good team in a couple of years considering all the young guns they already have on their current roster and their farm team. The problem with Preissing is also that he's the only veteran Dman they got apart from O'Donnell. Therefore, I don't see them trading that guy either ... although he'd clearly be a sweet addition.

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Hammer played with Phaneuf during almost all the flames games I ever saw/went to...

Anyway, Aucoin is fine but Id much rather look at someone like Priessing. (29yrs old vs 35). I mean either could be gone at the beginning of next season, but with a guy like Priessing theres at least a chance of a few years commitment - plus I think he's more what we are looking for (better puck mover).

To be honest I am fairly happy with our team as it stands.

IMHO:

Goal: Totally Set. Over set, really. Very happy about our depth & talent in nets.

Defense: Have a very solid 1 - 3 group. Have a ridiculously deep 5-6 group (maybe 6+ solid third pairing dmen). So that leaves us with a quesiton mark at #4 defense slot. The thing is, do we not have the potential with Jorges or Obyrne?

Wingers: When was the last time we had this much depth? OMG. Kovy, A Kosty, S Kosty, Higgins, Lats, etc, etc, etc.

Centres: Koivu, Pleks, Lang, Chips, Laps. We have some very good depth.

The one thing Id LOVE is a true franchise (preferably centre) player. Someone posted an interesting article suggesting we should package 5 - 7 of our prospects & trade for an established, bone fide franchise player. A Getzlaf or similar. If we could pull something like this off, Id definitely do it. Lets face it, at least half of our junior pool is never going to suit up for the habs - we're just too deep! Add a guy like that to this team & we go from being a solid contender to being THE team to beat in the east.

So, back to the OP: If we could move some of our (obviously on the out) defensemen like Dandy/Boullion and get a guy like priessing, sure - id do it. But Id be more inclined to package them, along with some top flight prospects & get a true blue chipper.

For example:

To Los Angeles:

David Fischer.

Jaroslav Halak.

A choice between center Ryan White and winger Matt D' Agnostini.

A choice between Subban and Weber.

Lapierre

Mathieu Dandeneault and/or Boullion

To Montreal:

Anze Kopitar

Tom Priessing

LA gets 5 young prospects (2 who are NHL ready & 3 who could be as soon as next year). They get 1 or 2 defensmen ready to jump in right away. We could throw in a draft pick also.

Montreal gets a #4 dman to offset the loss of the 3 or 4 they send the other way & the elusive #1 young centre we've been looking for.

Basically, montreal packages a bunch of their young depth & LA gets stronger in that department.

I think a team like LA may be JUST what we need in terms of a good trading partner looking to buy what we're selling.

Just my opinion of course.

No not Subban or Weber.

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Amen!! These guys are gold... I'd toss in Frankie and Dandenault before one of these guys!!

Why would you sell the farm for one great player??

Because A) Frankie & Dandy's milk is just about Dried up and

B ) We have too many cows on the farm for our milking machine!

Point being that right now, in our system we have the following defensmen under 26:

Komisarek

Obyrne

Gorges

McDonagh

Subban

Fischer

Weber

Carle

Yemelin

Valentenko

Belle

Kishel

Paquet

Pateryn

Stejskal

Torp

(and markov is only 29!)

Thats SIXTEEN - with 8 - 10 of them arguably pretty solid locks on being NHL-quality defensmen. I woudlnt give up on McDonaugh, Valentenko & maybe Fischer - so its not like Im suggesting we deal our BEST defensive prospects.

If you want a guy like Kopitar or Getzlaf or similar, you have to pay. Dandy & Boullion would be considered the downside for most teams (i.e. you HAVE to take boullion or dandy to take some salary) not a sweetener. A guy like Subban or Weber likely may never get a shot here (or if they did we can easily replace them with one of the other blue chip D prospects we have) but may be very enticing for a team weak in quality young depth.

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IMO we should look to either get a top 4 d-man or get a top 4 forward.

Right now there 2 great options out there for us in each position.

FLO

Higgins

o'byrne

mcdonagh

Draft pick ranging from 1st round to 3rd

MTL

Bouwmeester

OR

MIN

Higgins

latendresse

mcdonagh

d'agostini

draft pick ranging from 1st round to 3rd

For

MTL

Gaborik

There you have it ladies and gentle man. If we wanted to fill one hole, one of these 2 guys could be had.

Whether or not its truly worth it or if my trades are even legitimate enough are the real question but we could always go for lesser talent like we've done in the past.

NYR

Latendresse

Dandenault

For

MTL

Mara

Prucha

Might be a quick fix....

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IMO we should look to either get a top 4 d-man or get a top 4 forward.

Right now there 2 great options out there for us in each position.

FLO

Higgins

o'byrne

mcdonagh

Draft pick ranging from 1st round to 3rd

MTL

Bouwmeester

OR

MIN

Higgins

latendresse

mcdonagh

d'agostini

draft pick ranging from 1st round to 3rd

For

MTL

Gaborik

There you have it ladies and gentle man. If we wanted to fill one hole, one of these 2 guys could be had.

Whether or not its truly worth it or if my trades are even legitimate enough are the real question but we could always go for lesser talent like we've done in the past.

NYR

Latendresse

Dandenault

For

MTL

Mara

Prucha

Might be a quick fix....

At this point in time there is no way that I allow Mcdonagh to be in any trade.

To much potential to lose in my opinion, and we have other young Dmen who could be coveted.

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At this point in time there is no way that I allow Mcdonagh to be in any trade.

To much potential to lose in my opinion, and we have other young Dmen who could be coveted.

For Bouwmeester? Hell I would give up Gorges for him (instead of Mcdonagh) Bouwmeester is only 24 years old and a damn good defenseman on a terrible team. Landing him would be fantastic and if we signed him long term that would be phenomenal.

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My opinion. Not based on ANY rumour that I am aware of.

4th line is show casing Begin or Lapierre or Dandenault. Chips could easily play on the 4th line but was a healthy scratch for 3 games in a row. I think that Begin is the player being show cased because his stupid penalties did not result in any benching or press box. Dandenault has a higher salary so it would be nicer to trade away Dandenault. But my gut says Begin will be traded this week.

IMO minimal risk to the HABS if they traded Begin as Chips, D'Agostini, Patches, Weber, healthy Laraque, and healthy Bouillon could all benefit from the roster spot. Currently Montreal has 23 men on the roster and Bouillon on the injury list. To bring Bouillon back into the roster someone has to give up their roster spot. I believe that Chips can be sent to AHL without clearing waivers. Chips needs to make the NHL. 1st round draft pick. Very solid player in the AHL. Played good last year before lossing roster spot to a HEALTHY veteran. Begin is UFA in the summer. BG should clear up some of the UFA mess early this year as the high number of UFA will result in roster changes to Montreal for next season. Someone from the AHL needs to join the team ASAP so there is more experience on the roster to go along with the possible 5 to 6 rookies next season in Montreal. Ideally two or three of the AHL players make the jump this season even if it is only on injury call up so next year is less of a shock. Plus who is going to take the veterans out for dinner if there is no rookie or rookies on the roster?

Lapierre is young, low cost, plays center, and plays PK. No reason to trade Lapierre at this point. Maybe next season at the trade deadline if the other rookies surpass Lapierre but not this season.

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But my gut says Begin will be traded this week.

I just don't see a market, better players go through waivers. I like Steve as a guy (well the guy I see in interviews and such, I don't know him), but is anyone really going to give up an asset for him? An asset that makes it worth our while to showcase him, even after dumb penalties? Right now, if Begin does end up on another team it'll probably be because they claimed him off waivers.

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