Wayne-1 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 1. Those numbers demonstrate that Metropolit is not "markedly better", Chipchura is steadily improving in faceoffs and for four straight games has been up to the task in the circle and out of it. They've been more lenient and patient with players who have shown less. 2. But how is this guy a draft disappointment, and why shouldn't he play almost every game? I cannot remember a single goal against or defensive breakdown that can be attributed to Chipchura. He played with a lot of poise, never dominated, but did his job, particularly in the last couple games. Just as much if not more IMO, than Metropolit has done. 3. The solution I'm suggesting is that we pay Begin nothing, Metropolit nothing, and let Chipchura center the fourth line. It's not like a lot of responsibility falls to that line anyway. I think he has shown improvement and it's time to show some faith in the guy. the board ate my first response and I'm not interested in trying to re-write it, so the short version: on the ice, your preference is Chipchura, in the hopes that he'll be able to do over a whole season what he's been able to do over a couple of weeks, instead of Metropolit, who has shown he can play at that same level over whole seasons... financially, you're trying to save at most $97k in salary, and if you're wrong about Chipchura being able to play every game, like Metropolit has already shown he can, it'll cost you $500k minimum more... you're taking an unnecessary risk for the same level of play on the ice and, at best, virtually no financial savings off the ice... why?... I'll take 'a bird in the hand', you prefer not 'two in the bush', but the exact same type of bird in the bush that you hope might end up in your hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 the board ate my first response and I'm not interested in trying to re-write it, so the short version: on the ice, your preference is Chipchura, in the hopes that he'll be able to do over a whole season what he's been able to do over a couple of weeks, instead of Metropolit, who has shown he can play at that same level over whole seasons... financially, you're trying to save at most $97k in salary, and if you're wrong about Chipchura being able to play every game, like Metropolit has already shown he can, it'll cost you $500k minimum more... you're taking an unnecessary risk for the same level of play on the ice and, at best, virtually no financial savings off the ice... why?... I'll take 'a bird in the hand', you prefer not 'two in the bush', but the exact same type of bird in the bush that you hope might end up in your hand There's more to being a center than getting an extra 7 or 8 faceoffs every 100 faceoffs - which for a 4th line center means one extra draw every 2 games. There's the offensive, defensive and fighting skills that matter in the other 93% of draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocdood Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 There's the offensive, defensive and fighting skills that matter in the other 93% of draws. He's good on the penalty kill. I haven't seen Glen fight, maybe he should be a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamesgal1 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 the board ate my first response and I'm not interested in trying to re-write it, so the short version: on the ice, your preference is Chipchura, in the hopes that he'll be able to do over a whole season what he's been able to do over a couple of weeks, instead of Metropolit, who has shown he can play at that same level over whole seasons... financially, you're trying to save at most $97k in salary, and if you're wrong about Chipchura being able to play every game, like Metropolit has already shown he can, it'll cost you $500k minimum more... you're taking an unnecessary risk for the same level of play on the ice and, at best, virtually no financial savings off the ice... why?... I'll take 'a bird in the hand', you prefer not 'two in the bush', but the exact same type of bird in the bush that you hope might end up in your hand If people were talking about a first or second line winger I could agree with your bird in the hand analogy. But were talking about a fourth line player at best (Metropolit) Chips is as good now and likely would be better if he was given a good stint of 20 or 30 games to prove what he can do. He has already proven at every other level to be a leader. If he could become a third or fourth line leader that is good enough for me. If Carbo used his youth properly chips I am sure would have more value then Metro at year end...As would another kid by the name of Obryne who was used wrong.....Constantly put into situations he could not succeed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animerules1x3 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 If people were talking about a first or second line winger I could agree with your bird in the hand analogy. But were talking about a fourth line player at best (Metropolit) Chips is as good now and likely would be better if he was given a good stint of 20 or 30 games to prove what he can do. He has already proven at every other level to be a leader. If he could become a third or fourth line leader that is good enough for me. If Carbo used his youth properly chips I am sure would have more value then Metro at year end...As would another kid by the name of Obryne who was used wrong.....Constantly put into situations he could not succeed at. False. Gainey himself admitted that by acquiring a real checking centre. A checking centre cannot be so bad in the circle. It'll always come back to that with Chipchura as long as he won't get better at that. If you don't have the skills to be a scoring player, you have to have either energy (which he doesn't), or defensive skills, and that starts with faceoffs success, since you play against top centres all the time as a checking centre. While he has most other skills important for a centre, including positionning, his lack of hand-eye coordination is an obstacle to his career already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-1 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 If people were talking about a first or second line winger I could agree with your bird in the hand analogy. But were talking about a fourth line player at best (Metropolit) Chips is as good now and likely would be better if he was given a good stint of 20 or 30 games to prove what he can do. He has already proven at every other level to be a leader. If he could become a third or fourth line leader that is good enough for me. If Carbo used his youth properly chips I am sure would have more value then Metro at year end...As would another kid by the name of Obryne who was used wrong.....Constantly put into situations he could not succeed at.that's where we disagree... he may have played as well recently, but there's absolutely no evidence that he will keep it up, let alone get 'better' as you claim -- in fact, he was given the chance last season and played himself back into the AHL for the rest of the season... maybe Chipchura will make it as an everyday NHL centre, maybe he won't... but for about the same money, the Habs got a guy who has shown he is capable of doing just that... I really don't have anything against Chipchura... in fact, I would actually like to see him as a winger on the fourth line next year, maybe Chipchura - Metropolit - Kostopoulos, with all of them making $1M or less would be an absolutely HUGE bargain... regardless of Chipchura's future, Metropolit at $1M is a bargain and as I've already stated (unless it was in the post that got eaten ), if the Habs wanted Metropolit, they had to get him now or never... that's the way waivers work, they couldn't wait until next season to go, 'oh yeah, that guy you put on waivers last February, well, we want him now'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hes going to be our shut down center. Which is excatly what we needed... Glad hes here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjdriedger Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Not sold on MET. Seems less than average. Although a line of Met, Chips, and Kost is pretty sweet for the price - as mentioned previously. I would play Chips (if he's around in a day) at centre, but let Met take the face-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I am trying to like him..I really am. I watch him skate and I am still wondering why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I am trying to like him..I really am. I watch him skate and I am still wondering why? Don't worry man... Play-off M.V.P. coming up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMike Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Don't worry man... Play-off M.V.P. coming up! thanks for the laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsToTheCup Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 thanks for the laugh. Its possible, i mean crazyer things have happened, he is a good center, but We need to stop buying out the contracts of old centers and draft a Young star, a speedster that Excells in the faceoff circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsToTheCup Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 thanks for the laugh. Its possible, i mean crazyer things have happened, he is a good center, but We need to stop buying out the contracts of old centers and draft a Young star, a speedster that Excells in the faceoff circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I hope this guy starts to impress me, because right now I am so disappointed he might be a member of the team next season with a $1.000 cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvtomatKos-yn Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Decent game from Metropolit. Showed some nice puck control along with a nice pass to Kostitsyn which he couldn't capitalize on (third one?) I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer4lifer1 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Metropolit is good at face offs and if he can get players to give him some chances im sure he could be an o.k goal scorer, but i think he should be played in some desperate situations to win us those face offs we need... and then he can be taken off for all i care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy55 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I am trying to like him..I really am. I watch him skate and I am still wondering why? He's better than Chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setrixwalls Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Metropolit the 5 on 3 specalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_Champion Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 He's better than Chip. Indeed - when it comes to 5 on 3 power plays Chipchura just doesn't bring the same tools to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Indeed - when it comes to 5 on 3 power plays Chipchura just doesn't bring the same tools to the table. Yeah, he was lacking that right-handed shot on the left side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QbGamer Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Hes great on the pk U see him bust those moves with the puck to kill some time. Impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvtomatKos-yn Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Sweet goal Metropolit! He was so happy! I wish him the best in the Habs uniform! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourtrax Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Crazy-good night for him, he was a beast killing penalty time and just made life miserable for the Oilers along the wall. This is the first game where I've really understood why Gainey picked him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js2 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Was really impressed with him tonight. Hope he can keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 what did he eat this morning? ahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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