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Who Cares?

Any old man who has been playing since he was a we young one, Has a shot @ making it.. Heck price has a shot @ breaking the record if he plays in the league for another 20+ yrs..

Not that big of a deal.. I dont see what all the fuss is about

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lol you guys are out of it lol

No way in hell that Roy is a better goalie than Brodeur, stats speaks for themselves.

Patrick Roy 19 seasons in the NHL: 1029 games played (551 wins) with a 2.54 average.

Martin Brodeur 15 seasons in the NHL: 987 games played (552 wins) with a 2.20 average.

Congrats to Marty.

And take in consideration, how much stamina you need to goal 10 straight seasons of 70 + games.

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Wins are also due in part to the team in front of the goalie. Don't get me wrong, Brodeur is good. He is definitely one of the best goaltenders the league has ever known. But, Roy was still the better goalie.

yeah..that seems to be the big topic of discussion....New Jersey and their system.

well..if we are going to talk about goalie's and " systems "........

....We gotta talk about Grant Fuhr....and the total LACK of system.......that the oilers played.

Balls to the wall offense.....and Grant.....well...hang in there buddy.!!!!!

Probably, the only time most of the Oilers actually SAW Furhr...was in the dressing room...or maybe the pre game skate....haha.

Any whay..left to his own devices...Fuhr racked up 4 stanley cups.........well done..

.and congrats to Marty ........

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brodeur needs i think 27 more regulation victories to truly pass roy, since he has that many shootout wins which were unavailable to roy. this also begs the question of how many roy might have had.

marty is a great goalie, but had his stats massively inflated playing on the trap devils. he would not have 100 shutouts, or such a miniscule career GAA.

brodeur-3 cups, 1 mvp

roy- 4 cups, 3 mvp

this tells you all you need to know.

ill come back in here sometime next year to congratulate marty when he actually gets the record with no asterisk. and it still wont mean hes the best goalie ever.

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Who Cares?

Any old man who has been playing since he was a we young one, Has a shot @ making it.. Heck price has a shot @ breaking the record if he plays in the league for another 20+ yrs..

Not that big of a deal.. I dont see what all the fuss is about

In yet over ninety years no goalie has ever amassed more wins than Martin Brodeur. Alright, what if I used that logic and said Maurice Richard's fifty goal record was "no big deal" because "any old man who has been playing since he was young, has a shot"?

It is a huge accomplishment for any one player to receive and Brodeur deserves all praise he has been given.

lol you guys are out of it lol

No way in hell that Roy is a better goalie than Brodeur, stats speaks for themselves.

Patrick Roy 19 seasons in the NHL: 1029 games played (551 wins) with a 2.54 average.

Martin Brodeur 15 seasons in the NHL: 987 games played (552 wins) with a 2.20 average.

Congrats to Marty.

And take in consideration, how much stamina you need to goal 10 straight seasons of 70 + games.

I love Brodeur, however Roy is the better goalie. Roy took the Habs to the Stanley Cup and won twice when neither team has any business going anywhere near that cup. Brodeur has for the better part of his career had strong defense; not to take away from his fantastic accomplishment.

brodeur needs i think 27 more regulation victories to truly pass roy, since he has that many shootout wins which were unavailable to roy. this also begs the question of how many roy might have had.

marty is a great goalie, but had his stats massively inflated playing on the trap devils. he would not have 100 shutouts, or such a miniscule career GAA.

brodeur-3 cups, 1 mvp

roy- 4 cups, 3 mvp

this tells you all you need to know.

ill come back in here sometime next year to congratulate marty when he actually gets the record with no asterisk. and it still wont mean hes the best goalie ever.

Brodeur missed an entire NHL season during the 2004-2005 Lockout, thus he has already long since caught anything Roy could have obtained had the rules been the same as they are today.

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lol you guys are out of it lol

No way in hell that Roy is a better goalie than Brodeur, stats speaks for themselves.

Patrick Roy 19 seasons in the NHL: 1029 games played (551 wins) with a 2.54 average.

Martin Brodeur 15 seasons in the NHL: 987 games played (552 wins) with a 2.20 average.

Congrats to Marty.

And take in consideration, how much stamina you need to goal 10 straight seasons of 70 + games.

Well if we are going to use obselete stats like GAA, at least take into account the era in which a goalie played. Roy played when there was much higgher scoring than Marty did.

BTW Here are the adjusted win totals, if Roy had played the same # of years with no ties, he would have had 610 wins.

Even though wins and GAA aren't great stats, at least proper context is needed.

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Who Cares?

Any old man who has been playing since he was a we young one, Has a shot @ making it.. Heck price has a shot @ breaking the record if he plays in the league for another 20+ yrs..

Not that big of a deal.. I dont see what all the fuss is about

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No, Price doesn't have a chance if he's plays the way he does right now.

So, anyway, congrats for the record, Martin. :D

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Lets just agree that we are all going to disagree on the best ever goalie. Stats dont lie , yes this is true but stats dont tell the whole story. Patrick did steal 2 stanley cups for the Habs in 86 & 93 . Patrick stood on his head for a team that was outside of the top 12 teams in the league but they won and had no buissness doing so. They are both great goalies and the debate will go down in history much like the Lemieux/Gretzky debate.

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brodeur needs i think 27 more regulation victories to truly pass roy, since he has that many shootout wins which were unavailable to roy. this also begs the question of how many roy might have had.

marty is a great goalie, but had his stats massively inflated playing on the trap devils. he would not have 100 shutouts, or such a miniscule career GAA.

brodeur-3 cups, 1 mvp

roy- 4 cups, 3 mvp

this tells you all you need to know.

ill come back in here sometime next year to congratulate marty when he actually gets the record with no asterisk. and it still wont mean hes the best goalie ever.

And Roy played eight years on a powerhouse Colorado team. Brodeur's got 4 Vezina's and was runner-up to Hasek a few times to Roy's 3. We could go all day making arguments for both sides, but Stanley Cup MVP's don't really tell the whole story. Brodeur could have easily been selected during any of the three cup runs. His team also got worse every year with the retirement of players, but he held his own.

St. Patrick also never played in the "new" NHL where powerplays and scoring are up (scoring was higher at the very beginning of the 90s though), and so on. He face about a half-shot more per-game, but never played as many games in a season as Marty did.

I also don't understand the argument about the 92-93 team being a team that shouldn't have ever come within a sniff of the cup. They were sixth overall in the league that year and were actually third in wins. Roy didn't have great regular season stats, so you figure that when he got on his game in the playoffs they were pretty legitimate contenders.

*shrug*

Like I said, we could go back and forth all day. I truly think Brodeur is the best the league has ever seen but that doesn't mean Roy is that far behind. ;)

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With the equipment they have now,

They can easily have 20 + seasons in the nhl

82 games a season, they play what 60-70 games.

How many losse's does brodeur hold

Whats the record on that one?

lol your being quite pathetic dude, it's okay if you don't like 1 guy but don't try as hard as you can to find anything against what he did.

He's the better goalie obviously.

You just don't like the man, that's okay.

293 loses for nearly 1,000 games played (987) that give him a winning ratio over .700

Nobody is better than that.

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lol your being quite pathetic dude, it's okay if you don't like 1 guy but don't try as hard as you can to find anything against what he did.

He's the better goalie obviously.

You just don't like the man, that's okay.

293 loses for nearly 1,000 games played (987) that give him a winning ratio over .700

Nobody is better than that.

I think Sawchuk was the best, but how can you compare and just make blatant statements like that? There are different hockey eras. Sawchuk had a lot less equipment than these two guys, but he still came out on top for shutouts. Stats don't ever tell the story by themselves. Never. You have to compare teammates, equipment(especially in Roy's case), and other things, but how do make such comparisons without bias?

Anyways, congrats on your accomplishment Brodeur. Beating St. Patricks record on St. Patrick's day. Lol.

In yet over ninety years no goalie has ever amassed more wins than Martin Brodeur. Alright, what if I used that logic and said Maurice Richard's fifty goal record was "no big deal" because "any old man who has been playing since he was young, has a shot"?

What he means is that wins don't mean much in the way that if you play long enough you'll amass lots of wins. If you play 3300 NHL games, and have a winning % of 20%, you'll have beaten Roy's record too, but your stats probably suck. That's why your Rocket comparison doesn't work, because you need skill, not longevity to do that.

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I think Sawchuk was the best, but how can you compare and just make blatant statements like that? There are different hockey eras. Sawchuk had a lot less equipment than these two guys, but he still came out on top for shutouts. Stats don't ever tell the story by themselves. Never. You have to compare teammates, equipment(especially in Roy's case), and other things, but how do make such comparisons without bias?

Anyways, congrats on your accomplishment Brodeur. Beating St. Patricks record on St. Patrick's day. Lol.

What he means is that wins don't mean much in the way that if you play long enough you'll amass lots of wins. If you play 3300 NHL games, and have a winning % of 20%, you'll have beaten Roy's record too, but your stats probably suck. That's why your Rocket comparison doesn't work, because you need skill, not longevity to do that.

In terms of eras take this into consideration, in Roy's era in which he played, the average SV % was .895, for Brodeur it was .905. Thats a big difference in how offensive the league was in Roy's time.

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Ok and whats the current record for most losing games in a career?

You gotto figure hes top 10 no?

Hah probably not even close. Basically everyone else in the top-ten wins list has more losses than he does (I haven't checked every one, but if Patrick Roy and Tony Esposito do, I can't imagine anyone else not).

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In terms of eras take this into consideration, in Roy's era in which he played, the average SV % was .895, for Brodeur it was .905. Thats a big difference in how offensive the league was in Roy's time.

That's a good point. Although it's also possible that goalies nowadays on average are better (more kids playing, better European scouting, etc.) which skews the point you're trying to make. Basically, it's very difficult to compare different eras because things are so different. And then you throw the great teams, especially defensively, Brodeur has had in front of him, and it's tough to know how good he actually was.

I'd be willing to say Marty was a great goalie, but the best of all time? Probably not.

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I think Sawchuk was the best

That's your opinion and it's okay, when i was a little kid my grand grandfather was still alive and he used to told me that Patrick Roy was an "okay" goalie because he saw George Hainsworth play which he thought was the greatest goalie of all time by a hundred millions miles (that's exactly what he said) and when you look at the stats it's kinda hard to argue, yeah back in the 20's 30's you can say the caliber of play was poor and so was everything else but when you think about it, would you goal without a helmet even in a friendly game with average players? lol

"Hainsworth won the Vezina Trophy for the 1926–27, 1927–28 and 1928–29 NHL seasons. In 1928–29, he set an all-time record with 22 shutouts and a 0.92 goals against average while only playing 44 games. In 1930 he set an NHL record that still stands, going 270 minutes and 8 seconds without allowing a goal during the playoffs for the Canadiens. He backstopped the Canadiens to back to back Stanley Cups in 1930 and 1931."

Hainsworth served as the Canadiens' captain during 1932–33, becoming the second of only seven goalies to serve as an NHL team's captain.

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Hah probably not even close. Basically everyone else in the top-ten wins list has more losses than he does (I haven't checked every one, but if Patrick Roy and Tony Esposito do, I can't imagine anyone else not).

Id love to know who the goalie was and IS currently the #1 goalie in the league with the MOST AMOUNT OF LOSSes'

As you figure thats something to be proud of. How do you continue to keep your job and continue to lose game after game.. Seeing as you keep losing :)

Anyone know how i would dig up this info?

Or where i can find it, It would be great

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