franck5890 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I think you bring back Koivu and Komisarek. It'd be tough to cut ties with Koivu. The ony exception to this would be if we can bring in an elite top-line center, and I don't know who's going to be on the market this July. Komisarek is just an asset that we can't lose at this point; although he's been a bit streaky, we could regret losing a defenseman of his callibre in the near future. Personally, I would like to see Kovalev brought back, but ideally on a one-year deal. If things aren't going good, it'll be easy to cut-ties with him during or after the season next year. However, I'm not sure how warm Kovalev would be to the idea, as veterans often seem to seek longer-term contracts as they get older. Lang, I would personally really like back but it is far from imperative; I'd have no problem letting him go either. He'd have to sign cheap and short term, and it would depend on whether we bring in a top-line talent or not (if we do, Plekanec is relegated to more of a checking/two-way role, and we wouldn't have room for Lang). I would bring back Kostopolous, and try to keep him together with Lapierre and Latendresse. Bouillon, Schneider, and Brisebois I would all pass on. Schneider could be kept if he comes cheap and short-term, but he shouldn't be signed for big bucks considering his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_EQUALIZER Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 In the order listed in the poll: Alex Tanguay - In my opinion, a no brainer. Re-sign Alex for whatever it takes. Hopefully we can give him a graduating salary for a reasonable cap hit over say....4 years. Something like 7mil - 5mil - 4mil - 4mil for a cap hit of 5mil per year. Saku Koivu - I'm not a fan and never have been. I feel we need to change the dynamic on this team and it's either Saku or Kovalev who should be gone next year (maybe both). Unless a miracle happens and we get a big name centremen in the offseason, he'll be back. 2 years plus an option @ 4mil per year. Alex Kovalev - The odd man out. Too inconsistant for my liking. If we choose to sign Saku, then Alex should not come back and the reverse if Saku is not asked back, although, I have a gut feeling that both Alex and Saku will be back once again. Same contract: 2 years plus an option @ 4mil per year. Robert Lang - If we land a centreman in the offseason and re-sign Saku, then let Lang walk. If we fail to land a centreman in the offseason, invite Lang back giving him the geriatric contract - 1 year @ 1.0-1.5mil + bonus clauses up to 2mil Tom Kostopolous - I have liked everything Tom brings to the team especially his ability on the PK and he has turned into a fantastic shutdown winger. 3 years @ 1mil per year. Francis Boullion - Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Mathieu Dandenault - Some think he is overpaid, however, his value to this team is always shown when he is used in the roles he is supposed to be in. Bring him back. Unlike others, I do not think he is overpaid for what he brings, I think he is overpaid because he is not used in the situations, nor as often as he should be, for his skill set. I have no problem with a 2 year contract at the same money he's making now, the coach just needs to use him and use him properly. Mike Komisarek - In my mind, he's still a top pairing defenseman, he's just had an off year. Of course bring him back. Because of his sub par season, if we're luck we can probably sign him for 3yrs @ 3.5mil per year (although I think it will be more like 4.5). Mathieu Schneider - A toss up. We've seen how much of a difference a quality shot from the point makes and we know Mr. Gainey's obsession with having 9 million defensemen on the roster so I think he'll be back, but I'd offer another geriatric contract. 1 year @ 1mil plus 2mil in bonus clauses. Patrice Brisebois - Everyone knows that this is his last year, and I think Patrice knows it too. Unlike some, I've haven't had issues with his play because I know what he brings and his contract was very reasonable. Thanks for the time Patrice, we'll read about you in the news. The problem is we have so many holes to fill that we need to bring back some of these UFAs. We'll never sign the amount we need from players currently outside the organization as we are competing against 29 other teams and would have to grossly over pay to sign any and all UFAs we will require. It's always easier for a team to sign their own UFAs rather than somebody else's, and history shows that the majority of UFAs re-sign with their current clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear-Cove-Hab Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 HAVE to sign these guys: Alex Tangauy : I was against giving him an overly large contract, but now that he's healthy and showing what he can do, I say give him $5 over 4 or 5 years. Saku Koivu: With the chance to be the longest serving captain in Canadiens History, this guy is back at a bargin I bet. Him and Tanguay together are magic! Tom Kostopulous : Work ethic PLUS. sign this guy to a 1 or 2 year deal. He's great with Lats and Laps until 1 of the kids is more seasoned in a year or 2. Mathieu Dandeneult: Why this guy wasn't in all games he was healthy for is beyond me. He is a great 4th line player, but is better suited on D. Gives the team flexiblity. POSSIBLY resign...for the rigth price: Mike Komisarek : having a bad year? sure, but the fact of the matter is he is not worth more then 3.5 even factoring out this year. Alex Kovalev ; Everyone loves this guy again? SUre, great...when he watns to be. I'd rather have a slightly less talented guy that plays every game. It'd give better results, and probally for less money. Option if we can't land anything else. Robert Lang : IF he health and IF the price is right, I'd love to see this guy back for 1 more year. Mathieu Schniender : for a low contract, and used for only 40 to 50 games max, he'd be good to have around. Thanks, its been fun... Patrice Briesbois: Retire a hab. Possible defensive coach? He knows a lot about playing taht position, he just isn't able to do it effectively anymore..... Francis Boulion: Great heart, but on a team this rich with potential on the back end, someone has to be teh odd man out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs-24 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 That's why it is my opinion and not yours. I just realize that he can't play 20 minutes a game anymore, so that means he can't play on the first 2 lines for 82 games straight. Does he want to be 3rd center ? I doubt it, and even if he would, he's gonna ask good money since "he's Saku Koivu in Montreal" why would we pay someone who plays 15 minutes a game that much money? I just don't buy that anymore. Who's gonna replace him? I have no clue.... but with that much money available, im sure we can find a centerman who average 55 or 60 pts a year somewhere. I move on.... and yes, i don't care and could care less. terrible attitude, brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 HAVE to sign these guys: Alex Tangauy : I was against giving him an overly large contract, but now that he's healthy and showing what he can do, I say give him $5 over 4 or 5 years. Saku Koivu: With the chance to be the longest serving captain in Canadiens History, this guy is back at a bargin I bet. Him and Tanguay together are magic! Alex Kovalev ; Everyone loves this guy again? SUre, great...when he watns to be. I'd rather have a slightly less talented guy that plays every game. It'd give better Note that Koivu/Tanguay have had their best point production of the season with Kovalev as their winger. I think it's all three are a magic combo right now. If Kovalev wasn't scoring goals they wouldn't be racking up all these assists right now. As for production I don't think his PPG is that far off Koivu/Tanguay and hes had to play a lot more games then them this year/never missed a game last year. I'm not there are many guys who make what Kovy (money wise) makes that can do what he does. Hes been a solid playoff performer (aside from a few bad moments) the majority of his career. Thats not saying they should bring him back garunteed, but I don't think it's a garuntee to bring the other two back and not Kovy. They are all pretty similar players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren19 Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Brisebois has 1 vote... ...I wonder who voted...maybe him... Looking at the poll's numbers you'd think we've won a cup recently...but we haven't, not even close. The core of this team hasn't done the job, end of story. Whether it's by transaction or UFA signings, there's a great opportunity this summer to bring in new leadership and talent.There's been enough coaching changes, now it's time to clean that core with bleach and start fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teststory Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Brisebois has 1 vote... ...I wonder who voted...maybe him... Looking at the poll's numbers you'd think we've won a cup recently...but we haven't, not even close. The core of this team hasn't done the job, end of story. Whether it's by transaction or UFA signings, there's a great opportunity this summer to bring in new leadership and talent.There's been enough coaching changes, now it's time to clean that core with bleach and start fresh. I would have agreed before the last few games, but in fairness Koivu/Kovalev have carried the team on their back over the last few seasons. While they are probably not good enough to carry the team to the cup they are not the problem. I think many of the young players being rushed up to this team are not ready to play yet. It's very possible that guys like Andrei K, Plekanec, Sergei K, Pacioretty, Dagostini, etc. wont hit their offensive stride for a few years still. They do need to get a number one center to play with Andrei K, but other then that I don't know. The defense has been pretty weak this year and I don't know if that was Carbo or players having bad seasons (Hammer/Komisarek). Lately they have looked a lot better. Higgens has played far better under Bob then he did under Carbo so far. It seems like things are turning around under Bobs coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bailey1 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 If any of these players wish to return, the following must happen: Alex Tanguay - Has to take a paycut. $3.2-4.5 Saku Koivu - Has to take a paycut. $3.2-4.0 Alex Kovalev - Has to take a paycut, and has to want to play here. $3.0-4.0 Robert Lang - Injury has to be healed, and paycut. $2.0-3.0 Tom Kostopoulos - Has to be given/make a good offer. $900K-1.2 Francis Bouillon - BIG Paycut. $700K-1.0 Mathieu Dandenault - BIG Paycut. $700K-1.0 Mike Komisarek - Has to be given/make a good offer. $3.0-4.5 Mathieu Schneider - Has to be given/make a good offer. $1.5-2.5 Patrice Brisebois - Has to be given/make a good offer. $700K-1.0 (Stick with the organization, not as player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruuvimeisseli Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 We must Keep: Alex Tanguay Saku Koivu Alex Kovalev Mike Komisarek too old, so bye.: Robert Lang Patrice Brisebois Mathieu Schneider Bye, we don't need you anymore.: Tom Kostopoulos Francis Bouillon Either way, sign for cheap or leave: Mathieu Dandenault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Don't care about Koivu being gone? Ouch...for all he's done in Montreal...harsh man, harsh it's not harsh, it's neutral. i wont sing or cry whether he stays or goes, that's all. PS: likes, dislikes and indifference are not driven by analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 it's not harsh, it's neutral. i wont sing or cry whether he stays or goes, that's all. PS: likes, dislikes and indifference are not driven by analysis Would your tune change if it was Markov as a UFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafs_rock_go_mccabe Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 RESIGN: Saku Koivu -Pray for a hometown discount (AND that he wants to come back). -He's been the leader for too long to let him walk away without pitching a new contract. SITTING ON THE FENCE: Alex Tanguay -Depending on his post-season performance. -Can he be a 1st line player for us continuously? Mike Komisarek -Depends entirely what he wants contractually. -More than $3.5 is a mistake, in my opinion. Tom Kostopoulos -3rd/4th line warrior, but how much can we afford to increase his salary by? Mathieu Dandenault -Has shown good quality down the stretch. -However, probably too expensive for us next season. DO NOT RESIGN: Patrice Brisebois -I am assuming he retires regardless. Francis Bouillon -Despite the "Tank" being everyone's favorite little pitbull, it's time to move on. Alexei Kovalev -Too many glaring inconsistencies in his play to bring him back. -Use the money to sign a more premiere forward talent. Robert Lang -Had a good season here, but the injury won't be easy to recover from. Mathieu Schneider -Possible retirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 That's why it is my opinion and not yours. I just realize that he can't play 20 minutes a game anymore, so that means he can't play on the first 2 lines for 82 games straight. Does he want to be 3rd center ? I doubt it, and even if he would, he's gonna ask good money since "he's Saku Koivu in Montreal" why would we pay someone who plays 15 minutes a game that much money? I just don't buy that anymore. Who's gonna replace him? I have no clue.... but with that much money available, im sure we can find a centerman who average 55 or 60 pts a year somewhere. I move on.... and yes, i don't care and could care less. If Saku wants upwards of 5 mil I'll agree, but lets actually see what the demands are before we pass a judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbraT Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 If Saku wants upwards of 5 mil I'll agree, but lets actually see what the demands are before we pass a judgement. agreed... if his demands are 4 mil or under...we gotta sign this guy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tache Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Tanguay will probably be sign if he still want to play here Komisarek if he want less than 5 millions Both Kovy and Koivu if they want to sign between 3 or 4 millions the rest I don't care I hope we sign Franzen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_rudeboy Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Brisebois has 1 vote... ...I wonder who voted...maybe him... Looking at the poll's numbers you'd think we've won a cup recently...but we haven't, not even close. The core of this team hasn't done the job, end of story. Whether it's by transaction or UFA signings, there's a great opportunity this summer to bring in new leadership and talent.There's been enough coaching changes, now it's time to clean that core with bleach and start fresh. Except for 1 or 2 players on the list I happen to agree with you. Though my preference is to go with more of a youth movement the plan will most likely be to try and sign a good number of players off the list before looking elsewhere. If they don't the organization will have to go outside for other UFAs because the farm does not have the talent ready to fill all the slots. Given the season the Habs have had I doubt the GM will be all that successful, so it may very well be more of the same next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie12 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 If Saku wants upwards of 5 mil I'll agree, but lets actually see what the demands are before we pass a judgement. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 If Saku wants upwards of 5 mil I'll agree, but lets actually see what the demands are before we pass a judgement. So what if he ask 3.5 or 4 for 3 years? Keep in mind that we have a cap going down in 2011. No thanks, let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 So what if he ask 3.5 or 4 for 3 years? Keep in mind that we have a cap going down in 2011. No thanks, let's move on. Why exactly is that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Would your tune change if it was Markov as a UFA? i dont see how this has anything to do with anything, i would still like the players i like and still have no feeling one way or another for those currently in that category markov was UFA 2 years ago and my answer to this topic's question then was : markov - resign / souray - i dont care one way or the other after all, the question is not which ufas do you think will be back, or which ufas should be back according to most people. it's which ufas would you like to see back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteenIsThaFuture Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 i dont see how this has anything to do with anything, i would still like the players i like and still have no feeling one way or another for those currently in that category markov was UFA 2 years ago and my answer to this topic's question then was : markov - resign / souray - i dont care one way or the other after all, the question is not which ufas do you think will be back, or which ufas should be back according to most people. it's which ufas would you like to see back It was a joke CRB And don't tell me "i don't care one way or the other" if Markov left or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 It was a joke CRB And don't tell me "i don't care one way or the other" if Markov left or not i know it was a joke but they're usually funnier when they mesh with what is being said for the record, i'll never say that i dont care one way or another about markov, unless i feel an urgent need to be asked if i've fallen on my head or if someone put some cranberry juice in my vodka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsforlifee Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Alex Tanguay- Keep for around 4.5 million over say 3-4 years (or less money ) Alex kovalev- If I kept him he would need to come cheeper, he has no consistency. I would seriously have to quetion using the money somewhere else. Saku Koivu- Am I missing something that some other members on the forums are seeing? This guy gives 120% every single night whether hes playing with Mario Lemieux or half the other bums we have made him play with over the years and has a heart of gold. He brings leadership and can actually put up with the media in montreal as is apparent by how long he has remained captain in a city who specializes in getting rid of their captains. ON top of his work ethic and leadership he brings decent points totals in the regular season (638 points in 787 games) and is consistant in the playoffs too (45 points in 50 games). He also what I would call clutch as many times I have seen him over the years step up to get that key goal when the rest of the team was asleep. Unless he is asking a retarded amount of money (which he would never and has never done) he will be a member of this team. M. Schneider- If he signs cheaper he is welcome on the team I cheer for any day. Lets face it his All-star days of making millions and millions are over and if he realizes this we should see him back for a drastic pay cut. Retirement is a possibility as well however. R. Lang- If he is healthy I would like to see him back and not just because of this season. He might not get you 100 points a year but is usually good for at least 55 points even on a down year which is only something 2 montreal players have right now on this current team. He works hard as well and is a big centre. Mike Komisarek- nothing more than 3.5 million /year. He has potenital but hasnt earned it (the right to make insane totals). Hope to see him back. Tom Kostopoulos- 1.1 million or less for sure, he also gives 120% each game and works well on the lower lines. Whether people want to realize it or not, every team needs players like him. Francis Bouillon- Never interested me so no contract Patrice Brisebois- great guy, has had a good career but it is time to retire a hab. Mathieu Dandenault- I would sign him for a reasonable amount. Not to many players can be thrown around from defence to forward on a whim and still do decent. Injuries happen and he helps fill the gaps they leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-1 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Why exactly is that bad? Are you really asking me that question? We would be using very precious money to spend on a guy who should be our 3rd center by now (i know he isn't because no one seems to be able to take over that spot) but you're telling me that you honestly think that it would be a good thing to have Saku signed at that amount of money for a few years? We've been crying over the fact that we badly need help at center and now you want to go on with Koivu, Plekanec and Lapierre for a few years to come.... way to improve our team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Malkin is signed for $8.7 million and is on pace for 115 points this season. Allow has to assume Koivu resigns for $4.5 million, which is barely lower than his current salary and averages around 60 points, which is admittedly low for Koivu. Malkin - $75,652 per point Koivu - $75,000 per point. Is it a tad expensive? Sure however I hardly imagine giving Koivu $4.5 million on a decent length contract is going to kill the franchise. I honestly believe not resigning Koivu; barring him demanding an obscene amount of money will accomplish that to some extent. Absolutely resign Saku Koivu - He is the life long captain and life blood of the Montreal Canadiens, has battled through every struggle both from the franchise itself and his own personal turmoil, has never raised a single simple whilst enduring endless media barrages due to a language barrier and has long wanted to win a Stanley Cup with the team he has played his entire career for. There are few players I say this for however this team owes Koivu, give him a contract to end his career as a Hab and lets push to win the cup before he calls it a career. Absolutely resign upon a salary cut Alex Tanguay - Solid winger and playmaker who has seeming meshed exceptionally well with Koivu. His season was cut short, thus I would like to see what Tanguay is truly able to accomplish, if he is willing to accept a short term, $4-5 million dollar deal. I say we meet him half way, he agrees to sign for less but on a short term basis because of the injury. If he bounces back we can discuss a proper increase. Robery Lang - Initially when I heard of this trade I felt it was a waste however Lang had a fantastic season until the injury cut it short. I still believe he has juice left in the tank and given his age is likely to agree to a $2 million dollar deal, perhaps slightly higher. If so, Montreal is in need of centremen, why not sign a strong veteran who played great the prior year? I see Lang as similar to Koivu in the leadership scene and our rookies will benefit from him. Tom Kostopoulos - What more could you ask for in a fourth liner player? He works, he shows up and has more heart than 95% of the roster. This is a character player, a better version of Begin and someone willing to be outright brutalized just to encourage the team to show up. He isn't going to want much, so give him a million. On the fence Alex Kovalev - I cannot say with the utmost confidence that I would like to see Kovalev back. His struggles and inconsistencies are a nagging thorn because he has unrival talent he, for whatever reasons decides not to use. I could settle with him remaining however only with a paycut, however if the possibility to sign a solidified winger comes and we have to choose between Tanguay or Kovalev, I think Tanguay is the wiser decision. Mike Komisarek - Depends entirely on the money he is seeking and in addition to if we cannot convince someone like Bouwmeester to sign or arranging a trade with say Toronto for Kaberle/Kubina. I have been woefully disappointed with Komisarek; he has proven he is a one dimensional defenseman, who is a disaster should he have an off year. I would rather start over with Ryan O'Byrne (cannot believe I just said that) than sign Komisarek for five million. Mathieu Schneider - Yes however he will have to agree to a massive drop in salary, nothing beyond $3 million. This is also if we cannot find a younger, better defensively minded player via free agency. Allow to walk Francis Bouillon Mathieu Dandenault Patrice Brisebois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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