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Points to keep in mind:

Jay Bouwmeester

Defense

Height: 6-4

Weight: 212

Shoots: Left

Born: Sep 27, 1983 - Edmonton, Alberta

Draft: 2002 - 1st round (3rd overall) by the Florida Panthers

He's a 6-year veteran at age 25 and most recently:

GP G A Pts +/- PIM

2007-08 FLA 82 15 22 37 -5 72

2008-09 FLA 82 15 27 42 -2 68

Career 471 53 150 203 -27 329

Little injury history, big, not yet in his prime.

If you want him, you have to pay more than he's worth as he's the defensive star of the 2009 UFA class. Contracts longer than 7 years don't get injured.

Historical analogues:

Pronger got 4 years, 6.25 million, Niedermayer got 3 years 6.75 million.

Ron Hainsey, 5 years 4.5 million

Chara, 5 years 7.5 million

Brian Campbell, 8 years 7.14 million

Sergei Gonchar, 4 years 5 million (That's all?)

Dan Boyle 6 years 6.67 million

Kaberle, 5 years 4.25 million

Redden, 6 years 6.5 million

1) http://nhlnumbers.com/

2) http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3103/c...pwSVxDCPVhivLYF

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Now that I wrote my introduction, as my answer I'll give

Send two offer sheets

3 years, 10.5 million

8 years, 7.75 million

And let him pick

It's higher than all the ones listed, so we'll probably be competitive. I expect he'll do as well as any of them as he's 25 years old, 6"4, little injury history, and he plays at both ends of the ice.

The 3 year offer sheet is overpaying by a lot, but it solves our transition problem in terms of Markov, Hamrlik, Gorges and O'Byrne all having their contracts end simultaneously; before Fischer, Subban, Weber and McDonagh have developed, or not.

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Now that I wrote my introduction, as my answer I'll give

Send two offer sheets

3 years, 10.5 million

8 years, 7.75 million

And let him pick

It's higher than all the ones listed, so we'll probably be competitive. I expect he'll do as well as any of them as he's 25 years old, 6"4, little injury history, and he plays at both ends of the ice.

The 3 year offer sheet is overpaying by a lot, but it solves our transition problem in terms of Markov, Hamrlik, Gorges and O'Byrne all having their contracts end simultaneously; before Fischer, Subban, Weber and McDonagh have developed, or not.

Just curious,if were always gonna be scared to go out and over pay for an elite #1 player,to antice him to come play for the habs,as we never can land that certain superstar that other teams end up grabbing,what is so wrong to maybe just once ,pay the big bucks,take the big leap,be guttsy & make the bold move.

Just once,wanna see a big markee superstar player come our way,it's been sooooooo long. :D

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My willingness to make any contract offer to Jay Bouwmeester would be determined by my abaility to get rid of Roman Hamrlik. If that were possible I would throw a hefty contract Bouwmeester's way.

2009-2010 ($7.000)

2010-2011 ($7.000)

2011-2012 ($7.000)

2012-2013 ($6.000)

2013-2014 ($6.000)

2014-2015 ($4.000)

2015-2016 ($3.000)

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Now that I wrote my introduction, as my answer I'll give

Send two offer sheets

3 years, 10.5 million

8 years, 7.75 million

And let him pick

It's higher than all the ones listed, so we'll probably be competitive. I expect he'll do as well as any of them as he's 25 years old, 6"4, little injury history, and he plays at both ends of the ice.

The 3 year offer sheet is overpaying by a lot, but it solves our transition problem in terms of Markov, Hamrlik, Gorges and O'Byrne all having their contracts end simultaneously; before Fischer, Subban, Weber and McDonagh have developed, or not.

I like this move, and I agree, IF BG was willing to overpay for Briere, why not JayBo? Komi could probably be had at 4-4.5 on a long term contract. Try and offoad Hamerlik for picks...and who knows...maybe the strongest D in the east?

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Now that I wrote my introduction, as my answer I'll give

Send two offer sheets

3 years, 10.5 million

8 years, 7.75 million

And let him pick

It's higher than all the ones listed, so we'll probably be competitive. I expect he'll do as well as any of them as he's 25 years old, 6"4, little injury history, and he plays at both ends of the ice.

The 3 year offer sheet is overpaying by a lot, but it solves our transition problem in terms of Markov, Hamrlik, Gorges and O'Byrne all having their contracts end simultaneously; before Fischer, Subban, Weber and McDonagh have developed, or not.

I dont mind your long term deal, but $10.5 for a single season is WAAAAAY more than Id consider giving him. He's a great 2 way dman & could potentially be the best defensman in the league but at this point he's still waiting for his "breakout" season - he's not there yet - and may never be. To give him more money than crosby or malkin is foolhardy imho.

I understand your logic: if we want him we have to overpay - but I think a contract like this at a position we're already moderately strong at would cripple us and set us back years. Not to mention the impact it could have. Lets not forget that Markov is UFA next summer. You give Bouwmeester $10m now - what will markie want when he scores 20, 30 or 40 more points than him next season?

I would go around $7.5 for a short term contract, but anything longer and I'd want $6M or so.

1-3 Years, $7.5M

4-5 Years, $7M

6+ Years, $6M

That being said, I don't think Bouwmeester will give an offer from us too much consideration.

I agree its highly unlikely we will get much consideration from Jay. That said, IF we did, I could live with $7m either long or short term. Its not like he's 30 - we're talking about a 25 year old, premiere defensman. Even a 10 year contract wouldnt concern me much if the price was fair.

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Exactly what is the big hooplah about Jaybo exactly?

Guy put up 15 goals and 42 points last year and 15/37 the year before. Are those good numbers? Yes. Are thy 7-8+ mil numbers? I'm not so quite sure.

Yes he is going to be only 26, but still thats a HUUUGE gamble hoping that he MAY become a franchise defenseman, as in a top 5 D in the league because right now he is not. Hes not even top 10 IMO. He does not blow anybody out of the water defensively, right now he may be considered average to above-average in his own zone.

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$7-8 million long term, although I agree we have to be careful considering Markov will want a raise when his contract runs up however I suspect the cap will not be as much of a concern by that time. We definitely will not sign Bouwmeester for less than $7m and even $8m could be required.

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Exactly what is the big hooplah about Jaybo exactly?

Guy put up 15 goals and 42 points last year and 15/37 the year before. Are those good numbers? Yes. Are thy 7-8+ mil numbers? I'm not so quite sure.

Yes he is going to be only 26, but still thats a HUUUGE gamble hoping that he MAY become a franchise defenseman, as in a top 5 D in the league because right now he is not. Hes not even top 10 IMO. He does not blow anybody out of the water defensively, right now he may be considered average to above-average in his own zone.

Exactly what I keep thinking about him.

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Exactly what is the big hooplah about Jaybo exactly?

Guy put up 15 goals and 42 points last year and 15/37 the year before. Are those good numbers? Yes. Are thy 7-8+ mil numbers? I'm not so quite sure.

Yes he is going to be only 26, but still thats a HUUUGE gamble hoping that he MAY become a franchise defenseman, as in a top 5 D in the league because right now he is not. Hes not even top 10 IMO. He does not blow anybody out of the water defensively, right now he may be considered average to above-average in his own zone.

Thank You!

And more than likely his defensive game will improve or will it? To be honest, I'd rather have Keith Ballard. He's a gamer. Jay Bouwmeester looks so timid I have to wonder if Montreal would eat him alive.

So I would offer what would be a ridiculously low offer that would not even be considered by Jay Bouwmeester. And so be it. I'd rather concentrate my dollars on re-signing Komisarek, signing another "Schneider-Like" D or developing Weber and concentrating on signing a "Nathan Horton=Like" center.

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we have a puck moving defensemen in Markov, do teams really need 2 all star quality puck moving defensemen to be good?
Well, looking at Detroit, San Jose, Chicago, Anaheim, etc. 2, 3, 4 of them would all be good. I don't suppose you can have enough of them. Better off, I imagine, than having 4 Komisarek's.
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JayBo is not coming to MTL. Lets face it, its going to take 7 to 8 M and we don't want to be spending that anyways - money will be better spent on getting several Tier 2 FAs cause this teams needs a lot of help - issues that cannot be solved by adding 1 puck moving D man. Also - need to get rid of Hammer and his contract to even think about, lastly - I can't see him coming here, there will be hockey markets offering just as much cash that come with less of a headache.

go after Nick Boynton instead for less than half the price.

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Bowmeester would be a solid addition to this team but at what price? He's been playing avg hockey in a market that has barely any media pressure, have you ever seen an interview with this guy? He's so timid and gentle....fans would eat him alive!

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Do we need more puck moving defense man?

Lets face it, you look at quality foward in our system, they are small, they don't are not that good on board so puck must come from somewhere, do they? More quality puck moving D on our side more our small foward will look good. So I say sing J bow short term and hope 2 of Carl, Weber, Subban, McDonald and Fisher is NHL ready in the next 2 year and our defence is set for years to come. But lets face it, after Markov our D doesn't look that good.

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First of all you cannot drop more than 50% between years of a contract in money so my offer would be a 14yr contract with a no movement clause of

1) 8,000,000

2) 8,000,000

3) 8,000,000

4) 8,000,000

5) 8,000,000

6) 8,000,000

7) 8,000,000

8) 8,000,000

9) 6,000,000

10) 6,000,000

11) 4,000,000

12) 2,000,000

13) 1,000,000

14) 1,000,000

Cap Hit of 6,000,000. Last two years could be bought out and you basically have Jay for his career. :lol::lol::lol:

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First of all you cannot drop more than 50% between years of a contract in money so my offer would be a 14yr contract with a no movement clause of

1) 8,000,000

2) 8,000,000

3) 8,000,000

4) 8,000,000

5) 8,000,000

6) 8,000,000

7) 8,000,000

8) 8,000,000

9) 6,000,000

10) 6,000,000

11) 4,000,000

12) 2,000,000

13) 1,000,000

14) 1,000,000

Cap Hit of 6,000,000. Last two years could be bought out and you basically have Jay for his career. :lol::lol::lol:

Something tells me Jay Bouwmeester might want to have the option to resign somewhere else before his twilight years. :lol::lol:

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First of all you cannot drop more than 50% between years of a contract in money so my offer would be a 14yr contract with a no movement clause of

1) 8,000,000

2) 8,000,000

3) 8,000,000

4) 8,000,000

5) 8,000,000

6) 8,000,000

7) 8,000,000

8) 8,000,000

9) 6,000,000

10) 6,000,000

11) 4,000,000

12) 2,000,000

13) 1,000,000

14) 1,000,000

Cap Hit of 6,000,000. Last two years could be bought out and you basically have Jay for his career. :lol::lol::lol:

14 years is a little too much for me. But lets make a nice number of 15 years, but I would raise the end salary to no lower then 4.5

age 25 Salary 8

26 8

27 9

28 9

29 10

30 10

31 10

32 8

33 7

34 7

35 6

36 6

37 4.5

38 4.5

39 4.5

Cap hit of 7.43 for 15 years lol

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14 years is a little too much for me. But lets make a nice number of 15 years, but I would raise the end salary to no lower then 4.5

age 25 Salary 8

26 8

27 9

28 9

29 10

30 10

31 10

32 8

33 7

34 7

35 6

36 6

37 4.5

38 4.5

39 4.5

Cap hit of 7.43 for 15 years lol

This is crazy. He is no Crosby type player on defense? Markov is his equal - ballparkish!!

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First of all you cannot drop more than 50% between years of a contract in money so my offer would be...

Are you sure about this?

According to every source I can find, Vinny Lecavalier's 2017/18 Salary is $4m and his 2018/19 is $1.5 - thats much more than 50%.

This is crazy. He is no Crosby type player on defense? Markov is his equal - ballparkish!!

I agree.

I also worry about what sort of raise Markov would want when his teammate who scores 20 or 30 points less than him is making $3m+ more than him! ;) Hometown discounts are one thing, but not when the team is throwing around money willy nilly at other players.

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