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You know what? As much as I dislike Briere, I'd prefer him over Lecavalier. Graeme and roy_133 have swayed me on this. Yes, Briere is aging, injury-prone, and small. Yes, we'd be stuck with a cap hit of $6.5 million for the next 6 years. But his contract is much easier to swallow than Lecavalier's, and because the Flyers are over the cap, he likely will not cost the moon (unlike Murray in Ottawa, Holmgren realizes that he's dumping salary so the asking price would be much lower). And if there's some way we can get Simon Gagné as well, I'd be delighted.

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http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/277360.html

RDS reporting today that Gainey tried once again to land Lecavalier friday night and left the Bell Centre in deception of being unable to realise this trade

apparently its Len Barrie, owner of the lightning, that once again stopped this from happening

How many times is Tampa going to jerk Gainey around before he gives up on this Lecavalier thing? This is what irritates me about how Gainey operates. He gets blinders on for a particular deal, and when that deal falls through, he doesn't have any kind of equivalent backup. Briere is out there, he can be had for probably half of what it would take to get Lecavalier, but Gainey is so focused on Vinny that in all likelihood we won't get either player.

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How many times is Tampa going to jerk Gainey around before he gives up on this Lecavalier thing? This is what irritates me about how Gainey operates. He gets blinders on for a particular deal, and when that deal falls through, he doesn't have any kind of equivalent backup. Briere is out there, he can be had for probably half of what it would take to get Lecavalier, but Gainey is so focused on Vinny that in all likelihood we won't get either player.

Im under the impression that like trade deadline, Gainey made Lecavalier is priority, and that in could once again leave us in bad shape if that trade never happens, because he seems to be putting all his time into this and neglecting to resign players or look at a way to rebuild his team another way.

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How many times is Tampa going to jerk Gainey around before he gives up on this Lecavalier thing? This is what irritates me about how Gainey operates. He gets blinders on for a particular deal, and when that deal falls through, he doesn't have any kind of equivalent backup. Briere is out there, he can be had for probably half of what it would take to get Lecavalier, but Gainey is so focused on Vinny that in all likelihood we won't get either player.

Whoa whoa whoa Weep!

Are you saying you would RATHER us get Briere? :blink:

I'm holding out hope that we can sign the Sedin twins!

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IMO I hope Gainey does bring in Vinny, He would look great in a Montreal sweater. Briere....no thank you, he is overpriced for what he brings (IMO he bring less to the table then Vinny), small and injury prone.

Briere brings less to the table than Lecavalier, but he'll cost half as much to acquire, his contract is almost half as long, and his annual cap hit is over $1 million lower. Philly is crushed to the cap and will need to unload Briere and possibly Gagne to make room for Pronger. Not every team is going to have the cap space and inclination to go after Briere. Therefore, we are in a better position to negotiate with the Flyers, who have a pressing need to trade Briere, than we are with Tampa, whose ownership can't even agree on whether Lecavalier should remain a Bolt. We all dream of acquiring the best player available, but the reality in the cap era is that a trade is rarely just about a player's individual merit. Sometimes, it's better to acquire a lesser player because the circumstances are right for your team.

Consider this: what do you think Tampa is asking for Lecavalier? And do you think Philly is asking the same for Briere? To me, this is a huge difference, particularly in a year when half our team is UFA or RFA, our picks pool is low (thanks to the Tanguay and Schneider trades), and thus our ability to put together a package of tradeable assets without gutting our team is questionable. With almost no one under contract, this is not the time to squander our remaining roster players just so we can get Lecavalier and turn into the 06 to 08 version of the Tampa Bay Lightning. After we've finished paying for Lecavalier, what's left of our team? He won't walk on water and turn water into wine, folks. He proved that in Tampa Bay over the past few years.

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Briere brings less to the table than Lecavalier, but he'll cost half as much to acquire, his contract is almost half as long, and his annual cap hit is over $1 million lower. Philly is crushed to the cap and will need to unload Briere and possibly Gagne to make room for Pronger. Not every team is going to have the cap space and inclination to go after Briere. Therefore, we are in a better position to negotiate with the Flyers, who have a pressing need to trade Briere, than we are with Tampa, whose ownership can't even agree on whether Lecavalier should remain a Bolt. We all dream of acquiring the best player available, but the reality in the cap era is that a trade is rarely just about a player's individual merit. Sometimes, it's better to acquire a lesser player because the circumstances are right for your team.

Consider this: what do you think Tampa is asking for Lecavalier? And do you think Philly is asking the same for Briere? To me, this is a huge difference, particularly in a year when half our team is UFA or RFA, our picks pool is low (thanks to the Tanguay and Schneider trades), and thus our ability to put together a package of tradeable assets without gutting our team is questionable. With almost no one under contract, this is not the time to squander our remaining roster players just so we can get Lecavalier and turn into the 06 to 08 version of the Tampa Bay Lightning. After we've finished paying for Lecavalier, what's left of our team? He won't walk on water and turn water into wine, folks. He proved that in Tampa Bay over the past few years.

i don't understand someone could even think about bringing briere to montreal! it would be the worst trade in a decade! why should we take briere's 6.5m contract for next 6 years AND give something in return, when we can easily resign koivu for 4m max, on a shorter deal, AND we dont have to give anything in return?!?!

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You know what? As much as I dislike Briere, I'd prefer him over Lecavalier. Graeme and roy_133 have swayed me on this. Yes, Briere is aging, injury-prone, and small. Yes, we'd be stuck with a cap hit of $6.5 million for the next 6 years. But his contract is much easier to swallow than Lecavalier's, and because the Flyers are over the cap, he likely will not cost the moon (unlike Murray in Ottawa, Holmgren realizes that he's dumping salary so the asking price would be much lower). And if there's some way we can get Simon Gagné as well, I'd be delighted.

i dont prefer neither of them but if i have to choose, i would take a real player for a real money. briere is a joke.

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i dont prefer neither of them but if i have to choose, i would take a real player for a real money. briere is a joke.

Is Brierre my #1 choice for our top center next year? Of course not. But you know what, Koivu may not even want to come back, the Sedins may not be interested, and Len Barrie may not want to trade Lecalvier: would you prefer we star the season with Plekanek and Lapierre as our top centers?

Brierre is a good semi-star center who in the best case can show flashes of brilliance and reach close to 100 points, and in the worst case is still a reasonable top center who puts up points similar to Koivu.

And considering some good players who have been put on waivers with no takers, in today's NHL cap space has value, we could probably get Brierre for relatively little.

Even if Koivu does come back, I'd consider offering Plekanek for Brierre straight up: we need some more offensive depth and it will give us some longer term stability in the position. He's not the ideal choice, but we've spent the last 5+ seasons trying to find that big center with no results.

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Is Brierre my #1 choice for our top center next year? Of course not. But you know what, Koivu may not even want to come back, the Sedins may not be interested, and Len Barrie may not want to trade Lecalvier: would you prefer we star the season with Plekanek and Lapierre as our top centers?

absoulutley! plex, laps, maxwell, chip, anything but briere! sooner or later, there will be some star center who will be interested in signing with habs, but we won't be able to do so if we take briere. i would rather wait even a two years from now without 1st center than stuck myself with briere for next six!

we have to be patient, lots of teams are in serious trouble with cap, im sure we wont wait too much before some really good player land in montreal.

if sedins dont extend with canucks, i dont see many serious teams, besides habs, that could offer them real money.

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Whoa whoa whoa Weep!

Are you saying you would RATHER us get Briere? :blink:

I'm holding out hope that we can sign the Sedin twins!

Graeme summed it up best, I think, so I'll echo him: Briere isn't my first choice, but he's a more salary-friendly option who won't cost the moon to acquire (unlike Lecavalier). As for the Sedin twins, I'd love to get 'em, but the likelihood of us getting them is slim, and I'd rather Gainey have multiple irons in the fire instead of his usual "put all my energy into one guy, then get screwed, panic, and sign a lower-tier player just to show I did something" strategy.

I'm guessing that after July 1st. Lecavalier 'thing' ends and, the Hossa 'thing' will start up again then at the Habs golf tournament he will explain how disappointed they are and jump at Chelios who is 48 next season as the last option available.

It's worked the last three years. a seniors retirement home . . .Montreal

Sadly, you are probably going to be correct.

i don't understand someone could even think about bringing briere to montreal! it would be the worst trade in a decade! why should we take briere's 6.5m contract for next 6 years AND give something in return, when we can easily resign koivu for 4m max, on a shorter deal, AND we dont have to give anything in return?!?!

Briere is younger than Saku, and has higher upside at this point in his career. Sure, he's small and injury-prone, but he also put up 94 points not too long ago. The other thing, which you keep failing to address, is that Briere will cost a lot less than Lecavalier to acquire.

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when we can easily resign koivu for 4m max,

I think you're underestimating Koivu's worth. He's still a slightly under PPG player with playoff upside. He's 34, not completely over the hill (and I don't believe the "over 35" cap rules come in yet). Look at Rolston last season. I think you could easily see Koivu get a 3 year, 16 million deal somewhere.

The only way we get him for 4 million or less is an Alfredson type deal where you sign him longer term and get a good cap hit because you know he's going to decline in the last couple of years so it balances out.

Also, it doesn't need to be one or the other. Plekanek is a huge wildcard and going into the season with Koivu the only center we can count on for offense is a bit scary. Our wingers aren't great, but at least we have a bit of depth there in younger players, we have no centers remotely ready to take a top six role.

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It seems like the Habs are stuck with small scoring centers. Why not bring in Brierre as he would fit right in.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Also,on another note,this is the same player a few yrs ago made it crystal clear that he did not want any part of montreal/habs.

I do not feel that because gainey is not satisfying our wants at this time,that we have to pick-up whatever is hanging around .....

Desperation move ??????? IMO.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Also,on another note,this is the same player a few yrs ago made it crystal clear that he did not want any part of montreal/habs.

I do not feel that because gainey is not satisfying our wants at this time,that we have to pick-up whatever is hanging around .....

Desperation move ??????? IMO.

I totally agree we are basically the hockey team that grabs every other teams players they want to throw out and thats the habs for the season. i do not want that. we are better then that and if we are going to grab players to help other teams with cap issues they better send picks and good assets with the player they no longer want. that is the only way.

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Graeme summed it up best, I think, so I'll echo him: Briere isn't my first choice, but he's a more salary-friendly option who won't cost the moon to acquire (unlike Lecavalier). As for the Sedin twins, I'd love to get 'em, but the likelihood of us getting them is slim, and I'd rather Gainey have multiple irons in the fire instead of his usual "put all my energy into one guy, then get screwed, panic, and sign a lower-tier player just to show I did something" strategy.

Sadly, you are probably going to be correct.

Briere is younger than Saku, and has higher upside at this point in his career. Sure, he's small and injury-prone, but he also put up 94 points not too long ago. The other thing, which you keep failing to address, is that Briere will cost a lot less than Lecavalier to acquire.

yeah right. then, i have an another suggeston. in case of komi's departure, why don't we offer to ny rangers some kind of deal that will bring wade redden to montreal? im sure rangers won't ask for much. :D

with briere&redden dynamic duo, we can be 100% sure we wont see playoff in the next ten years \o/

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yeah right. then, i have an another suggeston. in case of komi's departure, why don't we offer to ny rangers some kind of deal that will bring wade redden to montreal? im sure rangers won't ask for much. :D

with briere&redden dynamic duo, we can be 100% sure we wont see playoff in the next ten years \o/

Look, I'm only stating my opinion. It's fine that you disagree, but there's no need to be immature about it. Why you feel the need to drag Redden into the discussion is beyond me. I don't want Redden, but he has nothing to do with Briere. I don't know why you're so incredibly down on Briere, but to me, we could do far worse than acquire him CONSIDERING that Philly is not in a position to demand the moon for him.

Is Briere my ideal choice? No. But there are no ideal choices in a salary-cap world, particularly for our team, which has such incredible difficulty landing impact players of any kind. I'd be open to trying for the Sedin twins instead, on the premise that we are one of the few teams out there with enough cap space to accommodate their combined $12 million cap hit AND still sign other players, but if that fails -- and it probably will -- Briere is a decent backup option that doesn't cripple us in terms of what we'd have to give up to acquire him. The price we'd have to pay for Lecavalier, on the other hand, is not worth it to me.

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Look, I'm only stating my opinion. It's fine that you disagree, but there's no need to be immature about it. Why you feel the need to drag Redden into the discussion is beyond me. I don't want Redden, but he has nothing to do with Briere. I don't know why you're so incredibly down on Briere, but to me, we could do far worse than acquire him CONSIDERING that Philly is not in a position to demand the moon for him.

Is Briere my ideal choice? No. But there are no ideal choices in a salary-cap world, particularly for our team, which has such incredible difficulty landing impact players of any kind. I'd be open to trying for the Sedin twins instead, on the premise that we are one of the few teams out there with enough cap space to accommodate their combined $12 million cap hit AND still sign other players, but if that fails -- and it probably will -- Briere is a decent backup option that doesn't cripple us in terms of what we'd have to give up to acquire him. The price we'd have to pay for Lecavalier, on the other hand, is not worth it to me.

i added redden into discussion because i think his contract is the one of a very few that are worse than briere's in the whole nhl.

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